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heavenly91
post Oct 10 2017, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(wheimeng @ Oct 10 2017, 09:57 AM)
@heavenly91

1. We like to use credit scoring as a mean to predict a person's behaviour. Is that foolproof? No, but we are emulating the process of a bank approving a loan to property rental.

2. We advertise on Facebook, Google to attract tenant. Right now we perform credit screening and background check when both landlord and tenant decided to do a deal. In Nov, we will move the credit screening process upfront, in hope to filter a poor scoring tenant before they get to you. @ken12345 asked this question too.

3. Yes, by default, all rental will flow through Speedrent before going to landlord. So that when a tenant doesn't pay rental on time, we know it and can act on it. Part of the insurance coverage also have lawyers to send demand letter to tenant when they are overdue.

And for the 1 month fee, as mentioned to @david77 - you don't pay for the fee when tenant run away because you only pay when the tenant successfully completed the term of stay.
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Interesting
Which means Speedrent will only collect the said commission at the end of the tenure.

Then who will be attending to the tenant?
It is Speedrent or the owner?
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post Oct 10 2017, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(heavenly91 @ Oct 10 2017, 10:16 AM)
Interesting
Which means Speedrent will only collect the said commission at the end of the tenure.
Yup yup.

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Then who will be attending to the tenant?
It is Speedrent or the owner?
Owner.
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post Oct 10 2017, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(wheimeng @ Oct 10 2017, 09:49 AM)
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1. Fee - basically no different from using agent, just that benefit in timing (pay later rather than upon signing tenancy agreements)

Yes, that's true. But there is a big difference in later (last month vs agent first month)

Traditionally, you pay first month to agent upon finding a tenant. Speedrent you pay the last month upon tenant successfully completed the tenancy.

If a tenant, for whatever reason does not complete the agreed term, you have 1 month less. Where else at Speedrent, you don't pay for anything. Entire service is FOC to you.

2. Insurance - at landlord cost but Speedrent gets commission

Refer to 1. If a tenant doesn't complete the agreed term, insurance will be FOC for you.

3. Deposit - if tenant goes rogue, Speedrent pays using the deposit. If tenant is good, Speedrent gets to use the deposit for its investment. So it's opportunity cost to landlord.

Landlord tends to focus on the opportunity cost (losses) paying to a person who provide service. But what I wish to highlight, the real opportunity cost is leaving the house idle (1 month? 2 months or even 6 months rental losses?), not generating the cash flow (or rental yield) as a result of delayed rental.

IMO, that is where the real opportunity cost people are sacrificing.

As a property investor, rental yield / generating cash flow is the key focus. A person can potentially save a penny here and there, but losing a pound. Hope that answers your question.

What do you think?
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Thanks for the answers.

For the statement "save a penny but losing a pound", it's subjective. You are making it under the assumption that using Speedrent will ensure the unit is rented out faster as compare to agent. Not sure if you can claim that.

Anyway, I have better clarify on your business model. Does not work for me but all the best to you thumbsup.gif

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post Oct 10 2017, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(David_77 @ Oct 10 2017, 01:49 PM)
Thanks for the answers.

For the statement "save a penny but losing a pound", it's subjective. You are making it under the assumption that using Speedrent will ensure the unit is rented out faster as compare to agent. Not sure if you can claim that.

Anyway, I have better clarify on your business model. Does not work for me but all the best to you  thumbsup.gif
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Glad that you are clearer on our business model, and Speedrent is not for everyone. It's always a channel for landlords to try other options.

p/s: I've not claimed that Speedrent was faster to agent.
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post Oct 24 2017, 07:30 PM

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Please invest more in your app development section.

1) if i click decline on tenant’s query, i can no longer contact him/her. This is very misleading.

2) that prompt asking for respond is not working properly. Even if i click no, it still appear “im still waiting for your respond”.

3) i cannot view my own tenancy agreement. Cant scroll the page down. So can only view half of the top page.

4) where is help/query button?

One more thing, that customer success team is available on what time? Been asking questions but no respond.
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post Dec 10 2017, 03:52 PM

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I just installed the apps as landlord. I have a few questions.

1) How much & Where is the fee structure? Is it 1 month as stated in this forum, but it is not stated in the apps. Will i get an invoice so that i can deduct my tax.

2) Normally landlord pay 1 month rental to agent for a 2 years contract. If we have to pay Speedrent 1 month for 1 year contract, means i have to pay double. Can we deal direct with tenant after the 1 year?

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post Dec 10 2017, 05:13 PM

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hello, is that possible to filter out tenants based on their nationality? not to be racist but based on the experience i would prefer to rent out to locals or professionals.
is there any maximum or minimum on tenancy terms? will u prepare a standardize tenancy agreement on behalf? Thanks.
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post Feb 4 2018, 09:44 PM

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The CEO Wong Whei Meng did NOT tell us the whole picture. I read a report in The Star Online dated 6 August 2017 that

"He (Wong Whei Meng) says the landlord will also pay Speedrent the equivalent of a month’s rent.
Read more at https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2017...6dhfwwdM07ES.99

They get one month rental from the landlord yet in their website they say the service is free for landlords????

The tenant also pays one month rental to Speedrent as stated in The Star Online report dated 6/8/2017. In the end Speedrent does better than RE agents who only charge the landlord one month rental and tenants don't have to pay anything.

Then again at the website it says tenant pays RM399 for the tenancy agreement. So now does the tenant only pay 10% of the rental or does he also have to pay one month rental to Speedrent for its services and RM399 for the tenancy agreement (tenant has to pay bcs the agreement actually protects the tenant)???

I would like Mr Wong Whei Meng the CEO of Speedrent to kindly clarify all these conflicting data. Thank you.

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QUOTE(iamloco @ Oct 24 2017, 07:30 PM)
Please invest more in your app development section.

1) if i click decline on tenant’s query, i can no longer contact him/her. This is very misleading.

2) that prompt asking for respond is not working properly. Even if i click no, it still appear “im still waiting for your respond”.

3) i cannot view my own tenancy agreement. Cant scroll the page down. So can only view half of the top page.

4) where is help/query button?

One more thing, that customer success team is available on what time? Been asking questions but no respond.
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That's why I dare not trust them. Nobody answers their mobile number that they provided on their website. The CEO's own brother is the app developer LOL.

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post Feb 4 2018, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(wheimeng @ Aug 23 2017, 09:17 PM)
I saw some feedback here and mostly negative experience with Speedrent. I believe most of them were genuine feedback but some were very wrong.

First of all, I wish to explain what Speedrent is really about.

It started with a simple frustration. I needed to lease my house in 2014 ASAP, contacted 50 agents through SMS, 10 responded, and ONLY 2 came to take photo of my unit. 1 month later, it was rented out. Towards the 4th/5th month, I've had rental collection issue, agent didn't bother to help. Fortunately the tenant was oversea and therefore didn't pay on time.

But during the moment of frustration, I thought:

What if I only SMS 10 agents and none of them responded?
Why am I paying the fees to agent when there is zero after-sales service, especially when I needed them the most?

That got me started to think.

Is there any platform that is especially designed for landlord to manage their rental house easily and deal with all the hassle, I would pay for it because property rental is suppose to be a god damn passive income! And that became the vision guiding me in building Speedrent as the dream of all landlords.

There were a lot of outdated information in this thread. And I have myself to blame for not following up this thread closely. More importantly, there is limited information on our website and everyone took all opinions here as what Speedrent is. I started responding in Aug, and we are in the midst of creating a lot of articles to explain what Speedrent is. But since it's not fast enough, I'll write few simple answers for everyone to read. My response may be aggressive in certain answers, but I wish all landlord read it with an open mind.

Click on the below links for whichever topic that you are interested in:

Customer Service False Information / Delayed Rental Payment
Speedrent not working, no tenant at all!
Speedrent = Agent? Use Agent better?
The killer No Deposit, sounds like a scam
How does Speedrent Tenancy Agreement work, esp Termination

I can be reached at wm@speedrent.com or 0192679338.
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Frankly Mr Wong,it's not just a matter of limited information at your website. I would say the BIGGER PROBLEM at your website is a LACK OF TRANSPARENCY. YOU DON'T REVEAL EVERYTHING. Also there's conflicting/confusing information provided at your website and in a report on The Star Online dated 6 August 2017.

Frankly,I'm scared to use your service. Your website says the service is FOC for landlords but The Star Online report says landlords must pay 1 month rental.

Here at Low Yat you said tenants pay only 10% of rental but in The Star Online report you said tenants pay 1 month rental and in your website it is stated that tenant pay another RM399 to sign the tenancy agreement.

As long as you don't open all your cards on the table people won't trust your service. Your website does not state in clear terms what landlords and tenants have to pay. You use a lot of euphemisms to gloss over/cover up the truth.

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QUOTE(ckean_ng @ Aug 10 2017, 12:29 PM)
2nd month engaged with speedrent as landlord. last months I receive late rental payment &  today 10th of the months I still not receive my rental and did not get any notice or update about my rental until I called speedrent only they give a text to the whatapps group chat asking rental payment.
Since speedrent already collected 1 month advance rental from tenant Can speedrent pay landlord beginning of every month & you all chase tenant payment on speedrent responsibility?
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So their "remit to landlord the rental on the 1st of the month even if we have not received from tenant" is just BS? I don't like this kind of arrangement bcs as landlord you can't control anything as long as your rental is paid to a third party. You'll be at their mercy!!! This is BS. I'd rather the rent comes to me directly. No deposit in hand/no rental;all they control what kind of deal is this?

If they don't start being ETHICAL they cannot succeed. They are coming to 3 years in the market yet we hardly hear of them.

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post Feb 5 2018, 08:52 AM

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I was discussed few times with speedrent guys. They're only think about tenants side and whole processes are favorite to tenants. I am not sure speedrent guys got landlord experiences or not. All i can sense they have ton of tenants experiences.



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QUOTE(Asali @ Feb 5 2018, 08:52 AM)
I was discussed few times with speedrent guys. They're only think about tenants side and whole processes are favorite to tenants. I am not sure speedrent guys got landlord experiences or not. All i can sense they have ton of tenants experiences.
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If you've finished your bank loan better use your condo apartment as weekend home. Safer like that LOL. Do it up nicely if you can afford and use it yourself. I rather do like this.

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QUOTE(I'm TheOne @ Feb 5 2018, 09:03 AM)
If you've finished your bank loan better use your condo apartment as weekend home. Safer like that LOL. Do it up nicely if you can afford and use it yourself. I rather do like this.
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I think we need to make sure the assets is (are) productive. Buy-to-let is the way to go either loan fully settle or not.
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QUOTE(Asali @ Feb 5 2018, 09:20 AM)
I think we need to make sure the assets is (are) productive. Buy-to-let is the way to go either loan fully settle or not.
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If you let it sit quietly you still no rugi if the property appreciates in value. Sometimes renting out is a headache also. Young adults today are very strange bcs they ask for Rm100-200 discount saying they have problem with their budget. If I hear like that I get scared bcs how would they pay the monthly rental. I always tell them to look for cheaper areas. They want better areas/furnishings but don't want to pay. The budget is just a trick. If you cannot pay 5 star price then look for 4 or 3 star,right? They are just trying their luck bcs they think a lot of landlords need to furnish the bank loan. If you're no longer repaying the bank just don't layan this type.

One more thing I discovered that the real estate negotiators have cornered the market so I don't know how speedrent with its terms that's so lop-sided will fare in this kind of market. Also they are in control of everything - our deposit/our monthly rental. We have no control over our property/tenant at all.

If you advertise on Mudah.my I bet you out of 10 inquiries 8 or 9 will come from those RE negotiators. Tenants these days go to them bcs it's easier. If you put your property up on Mudah these guys will look for you so it's easier no need to hunt them down. These people are exactly semacam vultures. They only bother if they could make a killing. They drop you at once when they find you won't layan their ridiculous requests. Neither would they reduce their commission by even RM1!!! They must make their profits while landlords are supposed to do charity LMAO.

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I wonder why Mr Wong Whei Meng has yet to address the discussion here LOL.
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QUOTE(David_77 @ Oct 10 2017, 01:49 PM)
Thanks for the answers.

For the statement "save a penny but losing a pound", it's subjective. You are making it under the assumption that using Speedrent will ensure the unit is rented out faster as compare to agent. Not sure if you can claim that.

Anyway, I have better clarify on your business model. Does not work for me but all the best to you  thumbsup.gif
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This business model is lop-sided and very unfair to landlords. There's no guarantee we get the monthly rental and there's no deposit to fall back on. Using RE negotiators still makes better business sense or else how come there are so many of them. If 1000 cannot earn a living how come there are tens of thousands? I believe they have really cornered the market. They monopolize Mudah.my and if you advertise there they are the also ones to contact us,not tenants so there's hardly a chance to escape them LOL.

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QUOTE(I'm TheOne @ Feb 8 2018, 10:05 AM)
If you let it sit quietly you still no rugi if the property appreciates in value. Sometimes renting out is a headache also. Young adults today are very strange bcs they ask for Rm100-200 discount saying they have problem with their budget. If I hear like that I get scared bcs how would they pay the monthly rental. I always tell them to look for cheaper areas. They want better areas/furnishings but don't want to pay. The budget is just a trick. If you cannot pay 5 star price then look for 4 or 3 star,right? They are just trying their luck bcs they think a lot of landlords need to furnish the bank loan. If you're no longer repaying the bank just don't layan this type.

One more thing I discovered that the real estate negotiators have cornered the market so I don't know how speedrent with its terms that's so lop-sided will fare in this kind of market. Also they are in control of everything - our deposit/our monthly rental. We have no control over our property/tenant at all.

If you advertise on Mudah.my I bet you out of 10 inquiries 8 or 9 will come from those RE negotiators. Tenants these days go to them bcs it's easier. If you put your property up on Mudah these guys will look for you so it's easier no need to hunt them down. These people are exactly semacam vultures. They only bother if they could make a killing. They drop you at once when they find you won't layan their ridiculous requests. Neither would they reduce their commission by even RM1!!! They must make their profits while landlords are supposed to do charity LMAO.
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Very true that young adults prefer better place or ada lifestyles. There are always good real estate negotiators out there. I always preferred to work with them.
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To LYN forumers/property owners,

Any successful story of Speedrent from your end?
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Personally, i must agreed the concept of SpeedRent is good. But, eliminated landlord benefits.

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