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This post has been edited by azarimy: Jan 30 2008, 07:58 PM

Is there any website that covers topics which you learn in architecture?

unfortunately, there isnt such site. architecture syllabi differ between each schools, mainly because each school has their own reason of "existence", producing a different breed of designers for a special niche market. so there isnt any websites that cover topics u wanna learn, coz there's no point in doing so.

for example, UTM's architecture is about design theory, environmental and regional/conservation; while USM is more towards housing, planning, environmental and management. so if both were to setup websites to tell the public what they gonna learn when they join up, that's gonna be confusing.

another example, lets say, sejarah malaysia. well, one can opt to find sejarah text book in schools, or they can goto wikipedia, or perhaps websites setup by the government, national archives or sejarahwan's blogs like prof. khoo kay khim. all will give u varied answers, although a long a common line.

if we continue our studies oversea and being rewarded with RIBA, do we need to get the accreditation again from Board of Architects?Or we can just proceed with the RIBA since it considered as equivalent with LAM...

This post has been edited by katunX: Jan 4 2007, 10:37 AM

Good information. After some discussion, we decided to pin this thread. Hopefully, all future discussions on architecture can be directed here. Be warned that spams would not be tolerated, and mods will be in occasionally to clean up the thread.

Thanks azarimy.

so i will ask quesion in tiz thread from now on.....(hope u dont mind)

i've check the taylors website......
and they stated that their diploma is accredited by lan
http://abd.taylors.edu.my/main.php?Content...tionID=116&IID=
( meaning they have 'naik taraf' dy rite? ..)
and LAN website ...they have approve thiz course in taylor
Kolej Taylor's Sekolah Hospitaliti dan Pelancongan
K5478 Diploma in Architecture Technology
08/10/2004 -07/10/2009

well, taylor offer diploma of architecure tech , 3+3 , they stated somwhere that the whole course cost 48,250rm .....
does this mean..the duration for the diploma alone takes 6 years long?!
anyway......roughly 8k per year.......its not THAT expensive rite ( compared to LUCT,14k+17k+17k for diploma)
..another thing, i realise u all less mention bout taylor,( usuallyy its UTM,USM,UM or LUCT).........so .....does tiz mean that , its not a well known school for architecture.......

then, among UTM,USM n UM, which of tiz uni is the best?..
i've check out their website, but they seems not likely to put more info ( unlike those private college that promotes their web)
ohya...another 1...is matrikulasi a good idea if i wanna go in local uni>?

another silly question...wat uni is UIAM..( i;ve googled, but cant find anything related)

and does Prof Dr M. Tajuddin still teaching?....i've read about him sumwhere b4, n heard that alot ppl admire n respect him . ( well...im gonna make him as my inspiration to be a better architect)

thanks in advance for helpin out azarimy
well..i hope my fizzy long question can help out those ppl who's interested wif tiz course but as confused as me....

cheers!

This post has been edited by sleep_walkerz: Jan 4 2007, 05:05 PM

UIAM is universiti islam antarabangsa malaysia but usually known as IIUM (international islamic university malaysia)

KatunX, ive inserted the whole list of international schools accredited by LAM in the first post (check item 4.2.). graduating from those schools will be automatically awarded PAM part 2, and can practice in msia without the need to register. all u need to do is bringback ALL of ur work, sit for a simple interview and register urself.

LAN is not LAM. accredited by LAN means students can study there to get their diploma/degree/whatever under msian law. LAM on the other hand, is the statutory body that accreditates certificates for architecture specifically. and taylor's is not in LAM's accredited list.

taylor's is a relatively new school. currently works hand-in-hand with UTM especially to get themselves accredited. it's not that i have anything against taylor's but most of my explanations shows the common path taken.



only 3 years my dear. the other 3 years is to be taken abroad at the partner university. this is a franchise programme, u do half here, half abroad. sometimes people call it feeder programme for overseas universities. so it's 3 years dip. + 3 years degree = 6 years. like that one lah.



i prefer not to answer this question. i'm from UTM, so go figure ^^. most IPTAs have different website for each faculty. to mount all information in one website would be huge. and yes, matrikulasi is the fastest way to get into IPTA (now dont get political on me... i'm just explaining okay!?)



Dr. Taj (as most friends call him) is still teaching in UTM. he's currently incharge of final year theses, KALAM (cultural conservation) and some other bigstuff that i've forgotten. a firm believer of democratic architecture (again, dont get political on me!), and frequents some TV shows including documentaries. He's also commonly invited to give lecture in UIAM (IIUM), UM, UiTM and other bodies concerning cultural preservation.

i need to ask something as i am goign to study architecture , mind u tell me ur msn ? mine is boy_lo@hotmail.com .
by the way , the problem now is , what is the difference between the diploma certificate of taylors and the degree from limkokwing on architectural science ?
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becasue this is a pinned topic , so i edit my post rahter than incrasing the post in this thread .
just becasue i want to say thank you to him as he guided and answered me alot of question .

This post has been edited by BridgestoneRE711: Jan 6 2007, 07:53 PM

my MSN is azarimy@hotmail.com. not usually online, only when i'm not busy.



if i'm not mistaken:

LUCT degree arch. sci - is a 3 year course after foundation (1 year i think) that is accredited with PAM Part 1. after completing this degree, students usually opt to continue with the second degree at the partner university in australia (Curtin University) which is accredited with PAM Part 2.

Taylor's diploma - (not accredited for PAM Part 1) is a 3 year course after SPM. after that, graduates can continue with a degree in environments (1 year) that leads to another 3 year course in a partner university in australia (University of Melbourne), which is in total accredited for PAM Part 2.




so it's technically the same, if ur target is Part 2 in australia. the pay structure might be different though, i dont have information on that. but if u decide to stop with Part 1, LUCT is ur safest bet, especially when u're not too sure to do architecture in the first place.

opps....
sorry for getting confused at LAN n LAM.

since im not born with a silver spoon,
i think i try to go to UTM...( since the big man is there!)
......but then....how hard is it to enter UTM?
( well...i bet lots of other ppl wanted a place in there)

n ya......
will we able to go study abroad if we study locally?
( as u have said.....study abroad can widen our minds bout buildings rite?)

n do u have any recommended articles/books/websites for us ... to get fimiliar to tiz course n have some earlier exposure?
( for those who really really wanna take tiz course seriously)

well, thanks ALOT for guiding us!

well, for UTM there are several paths for an accredited architectural degree. lets refer to this diagram:



u can choose path 1, 2, 3, 4 and 6 for a degree of architecture in UTM. however, for A-levels, u will apply directly to UTM and will be dealt with as a case-by-case basis (means u dont apply through UPU).

UTM 1st degree > 2nd degree (refer path 1 and 3 in diagram above)

for the 1st degree (architectural studies) in UTM, the intake quota is 50% matriculation 50% STPM (we dont have a race quota anymore as of 2002, although most will still see matrics is a bumi quota. oh whatever...). chances of getting in is different from year to year, but the average applicant to entry ratio is 15:1. that means every 15 applicants, only 1 gets in.

after finishing of the 1st degree (part 1), students can continue in UTM (2 years), where they have priority over the selection compared to outside applicants (no need UPU, skip interview, skip aptitude test); or students can continue at other local universities offering Part 2 (USM, UiTM and UM - 2 years); or students can apply overseas, to complete their part 2 (2 years).

UTM Diploma > 1st degree > 2nd degree (refer path 4 in diagram)

intake is directly from SPM. requirement is lower and easier to get in. because it's cheap and it takes directly from SPM, i estimate this course will be in high demand soon. being relatively new (2 years), not many knew this course existed.

diploma is conducted in KL campus (degree is in skudai campus). teaching staff is the same people who used to teach in skudai, but transfered to KL. intake ratio is about 1:8. i dont have any figures on the quota.

students graduating from diploma (non part 1) can continue for a 2 year part 1 degree (u can skip 1st year) at any local or overseas universities. after that, the path is relatively the same.




the easiest way to have exposure in architecture is to mingle with them. there are several architecture/design forums (local and international) where u can join in and have a go:

tanggam (UTM architectural students online community)

kaedians (UIAM/IIUM architectural students online community)

archnet (international architecture forum with a focus in islamic aspecs)

designcommunity (international forum of designers)

This post has been edited by azarimy: Jan 5 2007, 10:13 PM

hehehe..thanks...ur advise are very usefull indeed....
since tiz is aready a pinned thread....n it seems alittle bit quiet ( well, i know im the noisy 1)......
let me ask a few more question..... (i hope its usefull for every1 n me)

hurm.......
is architect only a architect? ( i know theres drafperson,lecturer..but i dont mean tiz)
i mean...like does architect will be divided into more deatils..
...like architect that only design terrace hs.or apartment?....n stuff like tat ..( its hard to explain..i hope u get it)

how far(high) a architect post can go....?
( i mean..like bizz , u go from manager to sumthing ...sumthing to CEO)

n if a building that u design collapsed.......
who will be responsible?.....the architect?...or the contractor...or the engineer?

well..if i ask too much...juz tell...i will put a full stop at it...

i. as i've explained earlier, architect is a protected profession, even the title architect is actually protected. by right, u cant use the term "software architect" but rather "software designer". so in short, yes, architect is an architect, non-other.

however, each architect is different from one another. each specializes in one specific field that allows them be unique. for example, architect A specializes in contemporary tropical domestic design (houses, bungalows in tropical climate); architect B specializes in socio-cultural aspects of architecture (mosque, social club, museum). there are hundreds of specialization, but all architect CAN do everything. it's just a matter of specialization or preference.

ii. this is a little hard to explain. in this business, u're post is determined in the hierarchy where sitting on top is the client (individual, corporate or government). so simply put, the architect sits right under the client. that's the highest u go.

so immediately after graduation (Part 2), the hierarchy would look something like this:

client
VV
principle architect (part 3, usually your boss(es))
VV
architect (part 2, this is where u are); civil engineer; quantity surveyor; landscape architect; town/regional planner
VV
architect's assistant, technical assistant, site manager
VV
draughtperson

so immediately after studying, u're already pretty high in the hierarchy. the pay, ofcourse isnt as high as the principle's, but u'll get there. so there's no manager-CEO kind of hierarchy, coz we're talking a different system here. big transnational firms may have managers or CEOs or even board of directors, but the top guy is still the Architect.




iii. if a building collapsed, it's usually either the engineer or the contractor. but everybody WILL fall. engineer must certify that all calculations are correct, then the IR. will put his/her signature on the drawings. then the contractor will build it EXACTLY as specified by the engineers. all these will be managed and inspected by the AR., who will put the final signature to certify the drawings.

so when anything happens, first u check if the contractor followed everything or not. if they did, then check if the engineers ar at fault. in any case, architect will feel the wrath as well, coz we're responsible to everything. (that's why they pay us alot).


feel free to ask anything. i will do my best to assist ur inquiries. there's never too much questions to ask.

Wow...means total year to complete part 1 and part 2 will be 8 years ahh ?

actually, it's seven years. ignore the other "year" slot on the diagram above unless u're taking polytechnic diploma.

or six years, if u can grab a place in matrics, or churn enough money for LUCT.

Hi Azarimy!
Now i'm in Taylor's college for my diploma in architecture.At the first day the programme director told us that :"hey u guys r so lucky,u guys no need to study extra 2 more years for master!cuz....after u guys finished ur degree in Ausralia for 3 years,u guys are going to get a MASTER DEGREE!"

i dont know whether i'm too boombastic or not?!haha..

So i would like to know for us who will get our master degree after studying 6 years,what's the advantages?

Thanks
Carrielyn

carrielyn...yea see...like i told you before, uni melb change its degree courses...so when you finish come to melb yea hehe the advantages..u will be recognise by PAM as Ar ...
the duration for the course is shorter and mean u save more cash and later you will just need to fight with the market...

nice work Azarimy

I'll also pitch in whenever i can.



Carrielyn,

Some universities market their Part 2 degrees as Master programmes. Even Hongkong Uni does that too. After the Part 1 first degree, the Part 2 Degree is a Master of Architecture. The qualifications arethe same, just that da name is different to attract more ppl to study their programme.

Well, if you think having Masters is a blanket of approval for having more pay, then ur dead wrong. As an employer, why should i pay more for a Master employee when i can hire a degree student who can do pretty much da same job (if not better) for less pay?

Hope it answers your question.

Cheers!

This post has been edited by xtracooljustin: Jan 9 2007, 03:30 PM

i stand by justin's explanation, as he has put it out quite perfectly. a little background on why this is happening:

architecture is a very, very long course. it's 5 years after STPM/a-levels, and that doesnt include practical office training (1 year). so because of problems keeping interests, as well as common inability for students to cope for 5 long years, UIA (union of international architects) reasoned for architectural institutions to split them into two certificates.

a long time ago, it was 3 years diploma + 2 years degree (part 2). then after awhile, it has become hard for architecture course as a whole to compete with other courses who're offering 3 years degree after STPM/A-levels.

hence they upgraded themselves to 3 years 1st degree + 2 years 2nd degree. this markets them better as potential candidates now see the 3 years degree as a bonus. well, most people dont know about the part 1 and part 2 thingy, but we dont want bcoz of not knowing, they dont wanna enter the course.

some institutions even go further to award masters instead of 2nd degree. this is to market themselves even better, especially for people who looks at degree+masters as higher than degree+degree. but in actual fact, regardless of what level of certificate u got, it's the part 1 or 2 qualification that determines ur actual level of expertise as an architect.

for example UiTM's diploma is certified part 1, at par with UM's, USM's and UTM's as well as international schools' degrees.

Ar azarimy..can you elaborate more?

not an AR yet, but i'm working on it.

can u be specific on which part to elaborate?

hence they upgraded themselves to 3 years 1st degree + 2 years 2nd degree. this markets them better as potential candidates now see the 3 years degree as a bonus. well, most people dont know about the part 1 and part 2 thingy, but we dont want bcoz of not knowing, they dont wanna enter the course.

some institutions even go further to award masters instead of 2nd degree. this is to market themselves even better, especially for people who looks at degree+masters as higher than degree+degree. but in actual fact, regardless of what level of certificate u got, it's the part 1 or 2 qualification that determines ur actual level of expertise as an architect.

for example UiTM's diploma is certified part 1, at par with UM's, USM's and UTM's as well as international schools' degrees.

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I just dont get this part quite well besides, what is the standard require for architect to meet the job?

u can refer to the 1st post in this topic. the requirement to become an architect is any degree with Part 2 qualifications. the requirement to Part 2 is Part 1, which u can obtain from listed schools. regardless of what degree u hold, it's the value in regards to Part 1 or 2 that determines ur level of profession.

Part 1 is lesser than part 2. u cant even call urself an architect with part 1. only with part 2 u will have the recognition as an architect by law.

part 2 standard is maintained by PAM. PAM is responsible of handling the Part 1 and 2 examinations. degrees with Part 1 or 2 gets automatic recognition, means u dont have to sit for the exam.



hence, whatever degree u take for architecture, ur boss will only be concerned with which level u're in. even if u took 3 degrees that holds Part 1 recognition, u will still be given architect's assistant job, but not the architect.

haha,i'll sure come to melbourne n find u. juz a joke.
I really dont know the changes on their degree course.i'm really blur blur!aiks.
So u said i'll be recognised by PAM once i finished my 3 years in aussie or in finished my part 1,2,3? haa

Hey actually does Tayloy's college asking for accredition from PAM? I hope i'm no need to take part 1 n part 2!! but it'll be ok.

once u've finished in australia (3 years taylor's + 3 years melbourne), u should be able to get PAM part 2 recognition from PAM. but as i've mentioned earlier, up to end of last year, LAM & PAM still do not recognize franchise/twinning programmes. to avoid problems in the future, KEEP ALL of ur works, assignments and exam papers. every single one of them.

taylor's have been working to get Part 1 accreditation. i havent had the time to talk to tony (head of architecture) about it. probably since u're there, why not talk to him?

Oh thanks Justin n Azarimy!! I hv got it !

Now i really realised about that: "just that da name is different to attract more ppl to study their programme."

Em now i hv 1 question to ask is:
- If i complete my 1st year diploma in Taylor,can i get a job in the holiday which is
related to architecture which can help me in my future career? Or if i finished my
1st semester in Taylor?

This is because Taylor's architecture student n QS students hv 2 long holidays in A year which are almost 2 months.

For this year:
19th May 2007-15th Jul 2007
24th Nov 2007- ??th Jan 2008

So now i'm wondering,n can say is dreaming that wat i'm going to spend my holiday wisely!haa.i know i think too much...but pls tell me more detail bout this.

Thanks.

This post has been edited by Carrielyn: Jan 10 2007, 09:24 AM

it would be better for you to work after 1st year..at least learn ah bit of basic before you join the company. you can try your luck by applying intership which they normally won't pay you. if you are lucky, sometimes you can get mayb RM500 per month. or not.. own expenses..

Haa,me?it seems like it'll not be work!? But i'll try if there is a chance.
But if Taylor get the part 1 accreditation,wat can we do with it? For just no need to sit for the Part 1 n get recognition for part 1 automatically?

Thanks.N if u r free pls tell me wat way to ask Tony.i mean wat the reason will make him listen to me!^^

Thanks!

This post has been edited by Carrielyn: Jan 10 2007, 09:29 AM

Where can i apply for intership? Is it from my Architecture school or find some firm out there?

N does intership stands for :working abroad or may be working in local?

Thanks

and u think 2 months is a long holiday. We at da public unis get 3 months holidays. usually April to July. You can find jobs or you can pick up short courses that mayb beneficial to you studies. This has been discussed before, do check up all other thread relating to architecture.

a lot of firms want to take interns, coz they're cheap, and they're almost willing to do just about anything, not to mention quite capable of doing architectural stuff as most other technical assistants. depending on the size of office and scope of work, they will pay u between RM300 a month to RM700 for a non-Part 1 intern, or RM600 - RM1200 for a Part 1 intern.

u can join just about any office u can get ur feet on. use the PAM website, there's a directory list of all firms in malaysia. just go ahead and apply. ask the office to agree to become ur referee in the future, even if u're working for 2 months. this way, when u graduate, u have several offices already supporting u as a referee. so u dont actually graduate as a fresh graduate, but a not-so-fresh-with-a-little-experience kinda graduate.

hrmm...can some one help me? i a post spm..fearing of not getting into utm for architecture course in da future, A level would be another option. but..an A level..is there all sorts of A level based on the U or what? (ok la!! i admit!! so blur bout A level)

A levels is one the ways of getting into Unis. For private unis, its da passport to da degree programmes.

But for local government IPTAs, im afraid A levels are not given highest priority compared to STPM and Matrics.

So unless ur thinking of furthering ur education overseas, my advise is better not take A Levels, unless ur damn sure you can be top of your class.

intership stands for working locally..unless you are lucky enuff that the company send you outstation or overseas which i doubt so..hehehe..

internship actually do not differentiate whether locally or abroad. Internship means working as an assistant under a professional to gain practical knowledge and experience.

Sending you overseas or not does not depend on da company or luck, its all based on whether that firm has branches overseas or whether that oversea branch need someone urgently til they have to send a trainee to their overseas branch.

My friend who is one of the top students from my batch went for 6 month internship wif the firm MAA who has a branch in Shanghai. He attended the interview at the firm's main office in KL and he requested to be placed in Shanghai so based on his results, da firm allowed him to go to Shanghai wif paid air tickets. Living expenses are all self sponsored though.

Another top student from my batch, who has some connections, has made it to Oman for his internship. However this is different from the case above. My fren is working in an Oman office and not a Malaysian firm who has a branch in Oman.

like justin said, u can apply anywhere for internship. usually it's between 6months to 1year, depending on school syllabus. internship has a different visa requirement (justin can u ask people from ur batch how they deal with this?), so u will be working for only a brief period of time.

most UTM students prefer to do it locally, close to home and all that. others went to singapore, and recently some students went to shanghai, beijing and even hongkong.

it's just a matter of applying. if u know someone who knows somebody in the firm, even easier.

I'm doing a business degree now. Did a business foundation course before starting the degree. If I don't fail any papers, it should end in July 2008 and I would be 22 years old

If I decide to do Architecture then, must I do A-Levels first?

Another thing is...since Architecture course is so long, by the time I graduate I would be 29 or 30 years old? Waaa...sudah orang tua already.

i got a friend which had taken diploma in business, he is able to enter to first year degree without going any foundation & diploma. in your case, perhaps, you maybe going for 1st year degree.

as for the old...
we have to accept the fact, and yes indeed, architecture is a long education and by the time we graduate, we might become an old man already, full of wringkles...

elaborating slightly further than victorboy...

yes, u can skip A-levels or STPM with ur diploma. i'm pretty sure there are lots of subjects that u could do credit transfers to architecture, but i dont think it would shorten ur studies up to a year. perhaps 1 semester.

when u're doing architecture, age is not a factor anymore. knowledge and maturity weighs heavily. if u're that good, u could earn even more than friends of ur age who did architecture from the start (at 29 years old).

just look at it this way. architects are artists of the professional world. artists are being paid on how good they are, not about just about experience.

I would like to know the meaning of First honour actually. Is it the consider as a same level for anyone of them who get first honour in different course?

My friend told me that a person who get first honour in their studies,they will get better priority to get into better/good/famous Uni no matter these uni are linked to the college or not linked to college. Is it true?

Is it something like master or phd that we need to pursue it?

But not much of them can get it rite?

I'm asking so much cuz my college come a new lecturer who had her first honour in architecture n now she is waiting for her phd results while teaching us next week onwards.

Anyone please explain this to me.Thanks.

Moderator: Thread merged with existing Architecture thread.

This post has been edited by LaR_c: Jan 12 2007, 09:16 AM

carrielyn, when do something get HD...there a better position...

as far as i'm concerned, other than australian degrees, all architecture degrees that provides Part 2 qualification are honours degrees. (refer here for discussing various types of honours degrees).

what we go after is 1st class distinction, which a more proper word and less confusing than 1st honours. u get 1st class distinction by scoring atleast 3.70cgpa after finishing ur entire study. for architecture, 1st class is something extremely hard to get especially in schools using pre-1990 syllabus. other schools like sheffield and nottingham have implemented new syllabus that allows students to potentially score very well.

to apply for further studies, the school will always look at the top candidates. if by average applicants consist of 3.00pointers, then chances for a 1st class holder (3.70cgpa) is definitely higher lah. simple logic.

just remember, architectural degrees (other than australian) have already had honours embedded in them. it means when u graduate, u will get a Bachelor of Architecture (Hons), which is the equivalent of a professional degree.

hi,
my question may sound silly but i need to ask, after i finish my 3 years diploma n also degree at melb u, i'll b automatically awarded PAM part 2. does it mean i also automatically pass the PAM part 1 already? dont have to sit for the exam anymore?

secondly, i'll most probably be heading to melb u for my degree after completing diploma in taylors. it says that students from taylors will be granted 2 years advanced standing. does it mean i'm guaranteed a spot there or...?

This post has been edited by xsaintx: Jan 13 2007, 04:24 AM

Part 1 and Part 2 are usually awarded together. You wont hav to sit for the portfolio reviews if you completed 3 years fully abroad.

i think you're pretty much granted a spot in that uni unless of cos that uni has a limit on its international students and you dun make their cut. Usually for Australian architecture programs, its usually layout in this format, a 3 year Bachelor of Science in Architectural Technology/something to that extent. Then you will study another 2 years for the Bachelor of Architecture degree. So its a 3+2 program. 2 years advanced standing means you will be placed in their 3rd year of the total 5 year architecture program. Means you have completed 2 years and have another 3 more years to go. You will take one year to complete that first degree and another 2 more for the B Arch degree.

Hope this clear things up.

Cheers!

ohh i get a clearer picture now. thanks!

a little correction:

unless otherwise stated, a Part 2 accredfited degree only awards u a part 2, never both. for example, UTM's 5 year (single) degree awards the student for Part 1 and 2 at the end of study. a 2 segment programmes (3+2 years) usually awards Part 1 for 1st degree, and Part 2 after 2nd degree.

u must check the programme awarded to u, and countercheck with LAM. no point in getting a Part 2 degree only to come back to malaysia and sit for Part 1 again.

thnks,azamiry!!
u just cleared my head about it..
the parts in archi.
really a useful info..

This post has been edited by *TeDucK*: Jan 15 2007, 05:45 AM

hrmm..guys.
since all here are really into archi course,
can anyone tell me the job market for postgraduate in archi course?
(if not specifically..generally would also help)
i mean..is there high demand for architects or other related to art and design.
is better for us to know right?
as not to be unemployed in da future..ehehe
thnks!!

much like doctors (general practitioner vs specialist), architects without postgraduate degrees are considered general practitioners of the profession. they are able to do just about every other thing other architects could do. architects with masters are almost (but not quite) considered as specialist in the area where he has done his masters.

architects could specialize into diverse fields of specialty. common specializations in malaysia are:

i. housing
ii. conservation and preservation
iii. history & theory
iv. social architecture
v. construction/building technology
vi. architecture education
vii. IT and CAD
etc.



part 2 architects are quite in demand right now. i'm not saying that they're hot stuff or sought after, but atleast 60% of graduates will be able to secure a permanent job within 6 months. within a year, i can safely say 90% will get a permanent job in any sector in the design related field (not necessarily architecture).

oh, arigato!!
that help me a lot!

ermm...i'm still waiting for my SPM result. I have a sense that i like architecture and think i get a lot of information regarding what architecture is about after reading the forum above. So, i would like to know what are the entry requirements ?

entry requirements are different based on University.

generally,
for architecture..subjects that are important in this course is math, science (physics)

some Universities such as UTM requires u to be able to draw.
Drawing skills is an advantage for u but not to be worried so much because we will basically learn drawing during the course. (will be using computer too)

hope i answered ur question, khsoch.

hope u make the right choice!!

Do check the Ministry of Higher Education website which will provide the basic requirements and also the individual requirement for each course for each university.

Guide posted up on main page here: http://www.lowyat.net/v2/jobs-and-career/b...-architect.html

If there are any changes you'd like, the author can PM me

well, after looking trough all the Uni offering architecture, i realize there arent much Uni that offers this course. is this by any chance effects ur opportunity in getting urself in archi course. well, think of competing with others to get u a spot in the Uni of ur course.

this what i realize..mayB i could be cleared about it by someone that knows more..
thnks!!

as justin and teduck have replied, the requirement are pretty basic and very much similar to other courses. although math and physics is NOT required, having scored on these subjects will definitely boost ur chances. remember, architecture is not only for science based students. we've found that taking only one breed of student does not encourage varieties.

if i were to generalize, science students tend to be all "logical and rational" while art students tend to be more "radical and pushing the envelope". architecture DEMANDS variety, and that applies to background, race, religion and virtually everything. when u sit for the interview, establish urself as an individual. dont go "i'm just another guy with nothing special" coz that's definitely NOT getting u in!

yes. schools of architecture in Malaysia is quite limited. in addition to that, each school only takes about 100 students per year (except UiTM who takes about 150 a year in 2 intakes). private colleges are increasing their sizes, but risk stretching the tutor:student ratio. as i may have already explained, the typical ratio of tutor:student in architecture education is 1:15. so if u want a bigger intake, malaysia has to produce a helluvalot of lecturers. and the profession DO pay more than teaching.

to answer ur question:

yes, the number significantly affects ur chances of getting in. currently average intake ratio is about 1:10. that's 1 student out of 10 candidates. however, private schools offer better chances than public schools.




btw: thanks admin. ur support is greatly appreciated!

Thank you for your point of view. I agree with you that architecture demands variety. I like maths, science, art, geography, and many more...and they are equally good and same for me. Thus, i hope architecture can be my good choice.

Hey there!

got a question..

for the architecture, we will be using computer as a tool to do designs, right?

well, what i was informed were photoshop and autocad.

any other softwares used for architecture?

yes, u will be using computers quite a lot, but not without basics though. softwares commonly used by students are:

vector graphics for drafting
i. autocad
ii. vectorworx
iii. archicad

vector editing for graphic design/composition
i. freehand
ii. illustrator
iii. coreldraw

3d modelling for visualization
i. autocad 3d
ii. sketchup
iii. 3dsmax

raster manipulation for image editing
i. photoshop
ii. photopaint
iii. painter

not many schools will teach these softwares. u have to take special subjects (additional to ur collection of credits) to learn about these softwares. overseas universities are even more unlikely to offer them. however, softwares like photoshop and sketchup arent that hard to learn by urself, especially when u learn to know, not learn for exams

hello,
i found this thread are very informative.
i'm a student who just graduate SPM.
i found this course are very interesting.
i would like to ask,
i heard architecture are mainly for science and art student.
ths problem is, i didn't take or learn physic,art subject during my secondary school time.
and now i'm waiting for my spm result.
is it a "problem", that i didn't take/learn physics,art subject?

oh and a technical drawing subject as well i didn't take.

another question,
if my SPM result didn meet the requirement of that college.
can i use another way to studying in that college?
For example,
LimKokWing(LUCT), the requirement is 5 credit..
if i have no 5 credit?
is there any way to study this subject in this college without the requirement of 5 credit??


This post has been edited by Andiboi: Jan 22 2007, 10:40 PM

Do check up on other architecture threads and previous pages.

This has been discussed before many times.

hope i could help u a little bit..sorry if not much of an info . here gos!

art no need to worry, even u dun know much (or nothing) about art, u will be taught during the course. so, cheer up! and for physic, its ok too because u will probably learn it neway. it will be a lot different then learning physic at school.

but, do refer the entry requirement on the University u wanna get urself in. different uni, different requirement.



may i suggest u to talk to the course adviser. besides that, u could do some research on other Uni that offers lower entry requirement.

neway, be sure to look up this topic from the beginning. lots of info about Unis offering architecture course etc

u can also get architecture info at this link:

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f=67&t=261364

http://www.pam.org.my/career_guidance.asp

any question, can ask here

This post has been edited by *TeDucK*: Jan 22 2007, 11:02 PM

a very big thank you!

"may i suggest u to talk to the course adviser. besides that, u could do some research on other Uni that offers lower entry requirement."

what other uni/college that u introduce to me.
cause i find out that LUCT very good quality for study. or maybe i'm wrong?

This post has been edited by Andiboi: Jan 22 2007, 11:07 PM

different Uni have different advantage n disadvantage. u will see in the first page of this topic. u still waiting for spm result, right? hehe!! like me la!

so, have lots of time to do research. go trough architecture forums in low yat n u will be cleared about the Uni n stuff.

i will simply expand on what teduck have kindly mentioned:

any mathematical calculations needed for architecture is just whatever u learn in form 3 math subjects. u dont need anymore than that. physics are purely logic, u dont need to concern about how to calculate vectors or Newton values. these stuff will be taught during architectural studies. having prior knowledge is ofcourse, an advantage, but i can assure u, what u learn is different from what u see in school.

but do remember, each school has their own method of teaching architecture. high-technical schools like sheffield here do require some form of mathematical calculations, but nothing a form fiver cant do.

well, in such cases, u have to deal directly with the intake department of the university. IPTAs however (via UPU) has stricter ruling on that. if u dont have it, u wont make it.

"well, in such cases, u have to deal directly with the intake department of the university. IPTAs however (via UPU) has stricter ruling on that. if u dont have it, u wont make it."

i cant get it, IPTA stand for?
anyway thanks for your reply.. it's really helping me so much.

oh god.

IPTA stands for Institut Pengajian Tinggi Awam.

"well, in such cases, u have to deal directly with the intake department of the university. IPTAs however (via UPU) has stricter ruling on that. if u dont have it, u wont make it."

for example,
i wanted to get into taylors college to study architecture course[foundation]..
the requirement of 5 credits i don't have.
deal directly with the intake department of the university? <- this part i don't understand.
and how IPTAs progress?

This post has been edited by Andiboi: Jan 23 2007, 09:29 AM

it means, go find their email, and write them ur problem/issue. or find their phone number, and give them a call. better yet, go directly to the school and talk to the head of school. for IPTS (that's private colleges), the intake system is localized, means if u wanna apply to taylor's, u go and apply there directly. if u wanna apply LUCT (limkokwing), contact LUCT directly.

IPTA applications use centralized application system via UPU. hence what i meant as 'application via UPU is harder'. u cant kowtim with a computer system, but u can discuss with the person at the intake department of the private college.

ok azamrimy..
thank you very much..
now i got it =D

http://72.14.235.104/search?q=cache:x7wNN7...my&ct=clnk&cd=5

Good to read. some stuff by architecture students.

I'm doing a Business Degree and I do stay up late many times to complete hwork, assignments, revise, study etc....

4 hours of sleep is no big deal especially when it comes closer to submission date. I think it's very normal to everyone. Maybe it's because architecture students haven't done another course before...so they might not know that others in other courses like Accountancy/Finance also face the same kind of stress.

I am a big F1 and MotoGP fan. I NEVER miss races. Since architecture is so stressful and uses a lot of your time...anyone here who did architecture course and is a F1 and MotoGP fan? Were there anyone like that in your course?

This post has been edited by Sensui: Jan 23 2007, 03:15 PM

azarimy...how about revit and microsystem...i think...got offer ka?

well, it's not normal when u spend the last 4 weeks with only 4 hours daily sleep. heheh.

we've got all kinds of people in architecture. usually the will MAKE time for their passion. the closest bunch to ur fanship is the football fans. everynight they go lepak at mamak's for 2++ hours watching they favourite game.

i know USM used to integrate microsystem into their syllabus, but i'm not sure about revit. most students seem to learn by themselves. i mean, once u learn 3dsmax, u can learn just about anything...

a little update:

i was informed today that the new intake for UTM will still be going under the transitory programme instead of the new programme. the transitory programme runs for 5 years straight, meaning if u manage to get ur place for degree in architecture, u WILL graduate with part 2. the advantage is, u dont have to worry if u flunk or whatever, coz all u need is a pass to graduate as an architect.

the disadvantage is, u wont have a break. also it means u wont be able to study abroad unless u're going for ur postgraduate degrees. in the new 3+2 programme that shouldve been introduced this year, it will use the same template as used in UM and USM, as well as most other architectural schools in the world.

oh, thnk u for the latest info.

so, does it mean that if i were to take diploma in architecture at utm,and to further my study...its compulsory for me to take degree at utm skudai (5+0)?

err, i'm referring to the degree programme. the diploma programme (3 years) have no changes. to make things clear: UTM has two intake programmes:

i. SPM - diploma 3 years + degree, 3 years if u continue in UTM, 4 years elsewhere (Part 2).

ii. STPM/A-levels - degree 5 years (part 2).

in the future, the STPM/A-levels will be 3 years + 2 years degrees.

oh, ok. thnks!!

was kinda shock (for no apparent reason..i just realized) heehe..

another update, this time for LUCT (i'll update the 1st post later).

there are two architectural courses offered in LUCT:

i. Diploma in Architectural Technology (3 years)

intake level SPM. this is a non-part 1 diploma. the syllabus is a variation of the curtin university's architectural programme.

ii. Degree in Architectural Science (3+0 years)

intake level STPM/A-levels or LUCT foundation. the syllabus is using the exact curtin's architectural programme for australian part 1.


i'm not sure how it goes, but i assume a diploma student can apply for degree (part 1) there. u could start immediately in ur final year, depending on ur results.

as far as i know you have to go for interview if you are going to apply the course provided by IPTA, once you have shortlisted. is that true?

does this mean even i get very good result and is called for interview doesn't necessarily mean i get to secure a very own place of mine? this is absurd.

for IPTAs, u will be called for an interview only if u're shortlisted. after this interview, the final number of students deemed suitable for the course is formulated and submitted to the senate committee of the respective universities. the u'll get the actual offer letter to study for the course.

yes, it does mean that even if u scored perfect 4.0 in STPM/matrics/A-levels, it doesn't mean u will secure a place. architecture is one of the few course that u're actual academic result dont matter much compared to ur personality as an individual. ur results are just a means to secure a place in the university.

a 4.0 student is nothing if he cant even present himself properly, or not able to communicate in english (yes, we're still talking about IPTA here...). i've rejected several potential candidate solely for his/her inability to even CONVERSE casually during the interview.

but do remember, IPTAs serve the society as the client, not the student. we wont allow a sub-standard to study architecture, let alone graduate. there are other courses that would take advantage solely on academic achievements alone. unfortunately, as i've mentioned before, architecture is NOT one of it. hope this explains it.

hrmm...i see.

well, cant rely too much on my academic, huh azamiry? gosh, i was thinking of doing it before i get to know the truth. hehe

so, personality...fuh, i guess got to know a lot how to perform well in interview. that is, IF i were short listed.

neway, how do they shortlisted applicant? do they take academic and curriculum alone of an individual as the factors to shortlist them?

thank you for the information...really appreciate it. it really help me and others like cassie.

This post has been edited by *TeDucK*: Jan 26 2007, 09:23 AM

yes.

when UPU receives all applications, they will rank everyone using academic and co-curriculum ratings. the entire list will then be distributed to each universities. we then countercheck the list (just to be sure), and establish our own shortlist. the shortlisted will be called for the interview.

so it's not to say that u dont need ur academic results. u need it to GET IN. but u can throw it all away once u're in. the personality part is what remains even until u graduate and becomes an architect. so that's what the interview is for, to sort out those who're able or atleast potentially able.

there are also stuff that we wanna see during an interview that cant be assessed through UPU. examples of past candidate that exhibits extra skills (not attributed in cocurriculum or academic results):

i. one boy drew lotsa of manga and managed to published some works internationally. he even illustrated an exercise book for secondary school (mandarin).

ii. one girl exhibits exceptional english articulation that we almost rejected her so that she could study overseas...

iii. another girl actually worked in an architect firm (her uncle's friend or somesort) as a part-time clerk during school breaks since form 3. during the interview we verified through a series of questionings that she indeed has picked up a substantial amount of knowledge that even a 2nd year student couldnt grasp yet.


these are some examples of stuff we assess during the interview. these are not made known to us (the university), so we need to pry each and everyone of the shortlisted to find out why we should take them in. so if u have any sort of hidden talent, the interview is the time to show them. some examples of talents candidates have (but we deemed as irrelevent, although could potentially be a bonus):

i. a boy could sing so well he should've been on malaysian idol or something. and yes, we made him sing during the interview ^^

ii. an indian girl have mastered several forms of traditional dance including malay, indian and chinese dances. we made her perform that too...




oh u get the picture...

huh...really??!!!

even if it doesn't have anything to do with architecture, they will take the applicants for their talent? hrmm..... What if i DONT have any talent? ok..mayB im exaggerating. let truth be told, if let say..im gud in martial art..then need to show to them ka?



im a shy person la..need some work to eradicate shyness and low self-esteem..

the interview will try to korek whatever u're hidden talent might be, regardless whether u're shy or have low self-esteem. the interview is usually conducted in a closed room with two interviewers. sometimes there's only 1 interviewer.

worst case scenarios are when u r not able to communicate. so our approach is to take things casually. talk like u usually chat at pubs, kedai kopi or even at home. only if that didnt work, u r in serious trouble. even for students who're not able to converse well in english are offered a chance to speak in BM (with some penalties ofcourse), but the penalties are easily overidden if ur talent is... impressive enough.

dont worry if ur talent doesnt have anything to do with architecture. if the interviewer is impressed, u MIGHT just get in.



... hence u see why architecture students are mostly 'troubled' people... hehehe...

kay! thnks again, azamiry!

troubled? in academic or people who makes trouble? or probably with lots of prob?

troubled: people with issues. with talents usually comes with disabilities. a talented artist who can paint "philosophy" might have disciplinary problems. a hardworking girl with eating disorders. a brilliant designer but very shy and almost unable to articulate his designs verbally. a handsome young man who cant design at all.

that kinda stuff...



anyway, here's an update on the topic:



this diagram illustrates where most Part 1 holders commonly go. the yellow choices are academic programmes, the blue choices are working/practicing. these are the common ones. gotta dig up more to include the uncommon and rare ones.

will update the frontpage to include this.

in da end, evyone has to start from scratch. architecture students organize a lot of events so a variety of skills and talents are very much needed. so that is y, u r still appreciated even if u have talents in other stuff.

i have a fren who is famous for his wushu skills and muscular built. Dun think anybody else in my faculty is known for this.

hah... u mean tantoi? everybody knows him laa.




actually, it's the other way around, justin. architecture organize a lot of events BECAUSE they have so many diverse talents, and being taught to be expressive, the students need an outlet. hence they organize such events to accommodate their needs

oh, i see..like to meet the person someday..if its like that, then wait for a junior to come and become famous of her silat, justin. hahah!!

hopefully in utm there will be events that encouraging this kind of martial art. but, in KL got ka? when i was in taiping, students in schools there mostly join silat as it is popular and encouraging there.

hmm in UTM, Silat Cekak is very popular here.

They don't want architecture students to be nerds..that's the main reason...

They don't want them to give people the impression they are boring bookworms also.