there are lots of aspects to mark, based on the subjects given. but most often we talk about design subjects, bcoz that's where the marking gets a little ambiguous to the untrained eyes. we mark the students based on their work produced (90-95%) and their attitude (5-10%), although this number varies from school to school.

when assessing the students' works, we always assess what has been produced, and not what he could have produced or the potentials of the product. this is bcoz potentials are not quantifiable. u dont give an award to those who're potentially able to win it, but u give it to those who've already achieved the winning criteria. if a student has put a whole lot of effort in it, but the standard is low or under par, i would never hesitate to fail him, regardless whether he used to be top student last semester or the so called the next hotshot designer of the digital world or whatever. if u dont deliver, u fail. this applies to real live project. even if u're santiago calatrava or richard rogers, if u cant deliver a good design in time, u'll lose the job. period.

one could argue that if given time, a student could produce a masterpiece design. well, we're not gonna wait that long, do we? some students could produce a great design in 6 weeks, while others could produce the same quality in 10 weeks. if the brief says 6 weeks, then u produce the best u can within 6 weeks. in design, we believe that everyone could achieve the same top quality, it's just a matter of how long would it take u there.

since design is also very subjective, we would never allow a single lecturer to hold an absolute veto over the marks of a student. in practice, a design product must be assessed by atleast 3 different lecturers. this is to avoid favouritism or dis-favouritism, which is ur next concern. however, if all 3 lecturers dont like ur design, ur design must really sucked! u watch american/pop/malaysian idol and that sort of shows, right? 3 judges dont often agree with each other, but if all 3 agrees that u're bad, u must be really, really bad .

so that's briefly how we manage the grades. there are other factors as well, i could write a whole book just on this topic. ask away.

er mr azarimy, which area you teach? Archirecture design, technology, history or others?

i specialize in design, design process/development, design pedagogy, architecture education, virtual environment and architectural computing. my other areas of interests (although not specialized in it) are theoretical architecture, digital architecture and alternative worlds.

Put up excerpts of ur thesis to show wats the standard's like at UTM

lol, that's six years ago laa. the title is:

corporate battle arena: assimilative parasitism

anyone's interested, pop a Q

thanks mr azarimy for the explaination...hmm...i'm not from a rich family so it's ok if we just do part 1 and get a job overseas?of course not a high level job la...that day i went to a councellor and she told me that it doesn't matter if part 1 is recgonised or not...but if you're doing part 2 and above,part 1 must be recgonised?she told me the safest way is study everything overseas..i'm kinda confused...and THEN,my sis helped me asked her customer(architect) which place to go the best...he told her Lim Kok Wing...is that uni good?

mars16 - you're confirmed going in there?i'm still not sure,i'm thinking whether to just stay here to do A-lvls while thinking what to study...i heard that my friend's brother stayed up late night to finish the project and even slept at the workplace...so it's like kinda suffering?so i'm not so sure...but if i'm really confirm to do architecture,i'm sure i'm going taylors...

ya..i confirm going on january,let's make a fren here 1st..haha.Well,I plan to go Uk after finish diploma in Taylor coz diploma is not yet part 1,u can go Melb U for 1 year to part 1,or apply to uni that can let u enter with 1 year advance(mean 2 years more to part 1,slower for 1 year if go melb U).Melb u let u advance to the last year because Taylors programe is base on Melb U.

Ya,is kinda hard and i read a lot of post which stated that architect student also known as "panda".but if u really interested in,it doesn't matter

i'm not rich family too and i live in Johor.however i plan to work 1st after part 1 too.As I know both Aus and UK nid to have working experience b4 continue for part2,that's y.and I plan to do part 2 part time,which spend 3 years to finish(usually 2 years if full time).But as i said,i not rich too >.< cant let me parent to burden so much

I also took a visit to taylor last month.the consultant told me that the total fee include tuition fee n living cost is actually very near between Aus n Uk,around rm100,000 per year.I duno y,but she explained to me that the tuition fee at aus is quite high,and living in Melb is not cheap too @@.But if u have decided where to go,then dun think so much,juz try ur best n go for it!

Kimi66 P.s. - U r a fan of KIMI too huh?So m I,so happy for him to win the championship this year,i have been supported him since he Mika left and he joined Mclaren....

This post has been edited by mars16: Nov 14 2007, 07:36 PM

if u're really serious about architecture as a profession, part 1 and 2 are extremely important. remember that to practice legally u need a license awarded by the governing body of each country - LAM in malaysia, ARB in the UK and RAIA (or something) in aussie. they recognize parts 1, 2 and 3 as the relevant qualification to become an architect.

without them, u'll be designated as architect's assistant. u might be doing an architect's job, but u wont be paid as such, and u're not protected legally. clients working with u are liable to damages and so on. i strongly advice against any path that doesnt land u parts 1 and 2, regardless how cheap/easy/quick it is. in the long run, it's not worth it!

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if u're taking part 2, u must make sure ur part 1 is recognized. not many schools would even consider taking a non-part 1 students straight into part 2, and those who does have some serious credibility issues. in essence, u just cant skip part 1 to part 2. with that said, even if u take a non-part 1 diploma, u still have the chance to acquire part 1 at another university (usually overseas), like the partnership programme that most IPTS in malaysia has.

anybody who advises that part 1 is not important ought to be shot .

in malaysia, the top architecture schools are still UTM and UM, followed by USM and UiTM. then UIAM, UPM, taylor's, alif, LKW and the rest follow suite. if we're talking about IPTS, i'd recommend taylor's over LKW anytime, despite LKW having better facilities than taylor's or alif.

however, in architecture, i'd advice people to study part 1 in malaysia and part 2 overseas. this is the advantage of architecture studies bcoz it is divided into two very distinct parts. this way, u can earn substantial basic knowledge and skills in malaysia (which malaysian schools are actually very good at and internationally recognized), and later develop the theoretical skills in part 2 overseas. u'll get the benefits of studying both - the exposure to other cultures as well as the experience with local settings.



bear in mind, most architects trained purely overseas have a 6 months "getting used to" when coming to practice in malaysia. this is bcoz the different conventions used, setting, culture, climate, practice and building by law. so dont get confused with other fields that always seem to favour overseas graduates. in architecture, we need somebody who adapts themselves quickly to practice, not take 6 months just to familiarize themselves.

boss azarimy, what if doing bach. of architecture in accredited unis in overseas totally and return malaysia?
without doing part 1 in malaysia?

no problem. u just have to adjust to malaysian built environment scene which can be very, very different from overseas. honestly each country has its own scene, especially since architecture is very much culturally and climatically influenced. not to mention how the government run their regulatory bodies . like i said, alot of people seem to take generally 6 months to get adjusted, and this can waste employers' time. normally that's why some people get a long probation period, bcoz employers wanna see what they can (and cannot) do first.

@mars16
which uni you plan to go?

hi.

i would like to know if usm is good for its architecture program.
i'm currently taking STPM and would like to apply for a place in usm.

Anyway, I realised that there are two types of bachelor of degree in architecture. One is Bach (Sc) another is Bach (Arts). What are the differences?

Thanks

well..i can go there to study because of my sis at london,so i plan to go there...I have gather some information of the uni there and the consultant at taylors tell me beside the partner uni i also can try to apply for other uni.Uni of East london,metropolitan london,westminster...this is some that I have found.Newcastle,shefiel n manchester is also in my list of course Bartlett n AA is not in my list coz i think is way too hard XD

USM is a good place to study, as it has one of the most established programmes in msia. it has reached stability back in the 80s, so u know that u cant go wrong in USM. if u do fail in USM, u know u sucked bcoz USM is the safety net in architecture education in malaysia .

there are two types of bachelor degrees for architecture. one is BSc/BA, usually read as Bachelor of Science in Architecture or Bachelor of Arts in Architecture; and the second one is BArch (pronounced "biatch", LOL!), which is the Bachelor of Architecture. BSc and BA are usually recognized as part 1. there's not much difference between the two, as BSc and BA are just categorization of degrees issued by the school. if a school is social science or technology based, chances are the course will be offered as BSc; while if it's more into arts and humanity, it will be offered as BA.

BArch is a specific degree specialization that carries part 2 professional value - the Bachelor of Architecture. this is the degree that u need to take in order to become a full fledge architect. the same convention is used internationally, so whatever u do, focus on this degree. it usually takes 3 years for part 1 (BSc or BA) and 2 years for part 2 (BArch).


owh come on, bartlett and aa is not that hard. they're just... different if i can get through bartlett, i'm sure a lot of u can.

Im a graduated architecture student... for diploma la.. hehe. dont know where to continue yet.. oversea ok ka?

depends on ur budget, and on whether ur diploma is recognized by overseas universities or not . overseas are ok, but it's gonna depend on which school u go to. no point going overseas but in a worse university that malaysian ones...

The nearest for an architecture student to further study overseas with the lowest budget is in australia, am i right?

not quite. most schools in australia that i would dare recommend anyone to study would cost as much as studying in the UK, fees and cost of living included. in actual fact, it is cheaper for u to study in new zealand or the US compared to australia. the cheapest, most credible place u could opt for overseas is NUS in singapore. i'd recommend hongkong U as well, but that's quite expensive too. there are several other RIBA accredited schools outside the UK, especially in europe that may be cheaper, but u have to check. there's one in venezuela that is relatively cheaper too, but still RIBA accredited.

i wouldnt recommend going to non-RIBA-accredited schools.

hmmm...i think i'll just finish up part 1 in aus and start finding a job in Aus IF i'm lucky enough to get 1!

mars16 P.S. - haha!sorry,i know what you're talking bout..i'm not a car(dono what it's called adi><) racing lover...my name is actually kim but i just added -i as a self proclaimed name...hehe..

mr azarimy - for real!including the living fee and all that in aus and UK are almost the same?! and is it hard to get in SG's uni?like NUS?

lol...get it.however as azarimy said,finish up part 1,u shud continue ur part 2 and part 3 and become a professional architect.u can choose to study part time if u think full time is too expensive n need a lot of $$ when part 2 study... ( juz like me ).I think part 3 is only a exam is it?correct me if i m wrong!

however how is ur decision?consider this seriously this may change ur life!