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 INTEL P4/PM 478/479 THREAD, >>V3<<, The Journey Continues Here!

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post Mar 18 2007, 07:23 PM

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Yo.. S478 paradise here? biggrin.gif May i join? One of the s478 supporter here. laugh.gif Just got a simple question here. Does any body here know what is the different between Asus P4P800E-Deluxe mobo and P4P800-Deluxe mobo? I heard about that, the P4P800 none E version then is the legendary mobo for s478.. hmm.gif

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post Mar 20 2007, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(kabukiawie @ Mar 19 2007, 12:01 AM)
Asus E mobo looks like having more feature and perform better than non-E version. I never play with those high end mobo. Seems that Abit users are more in this thread. tongue.gif


blink.gif .. Icic.. But i heard that, the none E version does better peformance then the E version? But compare up, this 2 mobo only are almost similiar. Beside the E version got Asus HyperPath for the ram part. The rest are same.. hmm.gif


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post Apr 5 2007, 10:35 AM

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Guys, just some quick question regarding to 478 procs. Im currently owning two 478 procs. Which are 3.0E (12caps) that im using now, and another 3.0C (30caps). Both of this procs are running on same speed, and HT enable. The different just the L2 cache. 3.0E having 1M while the other 3.0C was only 512kb. I was wander, which procs deal and giving better performance. Ofcause in this case i dont put OC into. Due the 3.0C was having 30caps i believe it can do more then the other one.
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post Apr 5 2007, 12:09 PM

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Haha.. Yea. Was using one o the LEGENDARY tongue.gif mobo for s478. Get it from one of the forumer here months ago. Great performance thou. rclxms.gif

Well i just wanted to know the raw performance of this two procs running in stock speed. The differences is the cache memory only. Hm.. I wasnt a hardcore gamer. Mostly did some 2D light gaming such like maple story tongue.gif. Mostly of the time i just do surfing and chatting.

Ever plan to do OC for my current rigs, due the parts are suitable for it. But yet did i cos still in saving money to get better casing and cooling before i can did OC for it. cry.gif

QUOTE(rainingzero @ Apr 5 2007, 11:33 AM)
u got 30caps proc??my suggestion is, OC it!!!good overclockable proc u have there. regarding ur Q, there's not much diff between 512kb or 1Mb, unless in some applications, but the diff is slightly noticeable... sweat.gif
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Uh.. shocking.gif Noticeable of prformance huh.. Thanks for ya information! notworthy.gif
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post Apr 5 2007, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(kabukiawie @ Apr 5 2007, 12:15 PM)
wao, you having 30 cap proc?? drool.gif  drool.gif

honestly, 3.0E and 3.0C perform neck to neck. but if i have the same rig as yours, i will go for the 30cap cpu and oc it till the last drop. smile.gif
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Yup.. Haha! I thought i had sold it long time ago. But few days ago i did my room cleaning and found it lie on the drawer for ages. Tested and it still running fine. Keep as backup procs. drool.gif

But anyways, thanks for ya advise. Planning to change procs once i got enough money for better casing. Atm, my hyper 6+ still cant really give the best shoot yet. Due my old casing was "bottleneck" the cooler. Too pack cry.gif and causing the air flow not smooth. My 3.0E (prescott) running on 36-37'c on idle. Full load reach 48 highest. laugh.gif
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post Apr 5 2007, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(kabukiawie @ Apr 5 2007, 04:42 PM)
prescott will shine when fsb is higher due to oc limit is higher. with good cooling, it can break 4ghz barrier. Its quite hard for northwood to get 4GHz.
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Hmm... Seems like both of the procs got their pros and cons. hmm.gif Btw, just wander anybody here using hyper 6+ this cooling system? Whts the minimum temperature that u guys ever archive? laugh.gif
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post Apr 5 2007, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(irangan @ Apr 5 2007, 05:41 PM)
Nice processor and mobo you have there. like everyone said, it is a waste if you dont OC it. haha

anyway, you ask your question in Cooling And Modding thread.
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Lol.. Yea.. But not now. Rising fund for getting a better cooling and casing then will squezz the juice for this two procs. Haha. Opss.. Some offtopics here. doh.gif

Tomorrow my place here will held PC fair. Hehe.. Going to hunt some stuff.

QUOTE(almostthere @ Apr 5 2007, 05:43 PM)
Just for comparison, I use a CM Hyper 48 with a Tt SMart Fan 2 at full speed. If room temps 38C stock clock 2.8C.
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Yo pals.. Thanks for the information! Hah.. Mine are roughly like urs. But my fan only run at 1500-1600rpm! thumbup.gif

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post Apr 5 2007, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(raymond5105 @ Apr 5 2007, 09:56 PM)
Wao cool,30capper 3.0C.Why not go into overclocking?I think should be very easy to get 3.6GHz with your board.Besides what type of RAM chip are you using ?Good RAM can push up your clocking also.
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Haha.. Yea! Act its my fren's proc. He burned his board and change to another rigs. Then sold me this procs for RM200 two years ago. But i was forgotten where i keep it. sweat.gif Recently then found. Hehe.. Hmm.. My ram? Currently running on mixed 2x kingston 256mb and 2x hynix 256mb. Both are dual channel with same CL. Dont dare to OC due the ram was from same factory. sweat.gif Actually my current rigs was from emmeir (one of the forumer here. tongue.gif)

QUOTE(kabukiawie @ Apr 5 2007, 10:25 PM)
haha....just notice you are from Kuching. tongue.gif ya, pc fair start tomorrow. Will go there eye shopping. laugh.gif

I think if you have time and effort, try push both to the max, see which 1 is better. tongue.gif 30cap of coz is nice. but if 3.0E can go pass 4ghz its sweet as well. Share your oc experience when you proceed.  wink.gif Hyper 6+ is quite a nice HFS.
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Yea.. Im from kuching. How about you bro? Same? Lol.. Yup! Go there for some window shopping. rclxm9.gif Was looking for graphic card. Hope can hook 7300GT. laugh.gif

Now cannot lo.. Having exam. Maybe wait exam finish then try it. Hehe. My current board only give until 30% max AI overclocking. Guess if want to go pass 4ghz need to adjust vcore right? Im new in OC. Still learning! icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Apr 6 2007, 12:13 AM

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Haha.. Icic!! Good! Nice to meet you. laugh.gif

Yup.. Well well.. U know i know. Kuching pc parts price are insane. I went to compumart past 2 week and ask about 7600GT price. Guess how much they told me? 650 and need order. sweat.gif Thats crazy. doh.gif

Lol.. Learning now. But need time to to practical. Pray that my board dont burned out during test time! cool2.gif

This rigs? Hmm.. The prcos and mobo cost me around 500 lo. Resonable la hor? haha.. But i think its worth. Seems the mobo are extremely rare to find nowdays.

Now really dont dare to do OC yet. Provided i got a better casing then i will try it. Currently using cap palang casing which are too small too pack. The cooler itself are big already. Haha.. But still can maintain stock temperature in between 36-38 lo. Due to Prescott core = heat monster. Haha.
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post Apr 6 2007, 04:33 PM

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Wah.. Just home from PC fair. Gosh! Nothing much there. Mostly sell laptop and others. 7 series AGP all not available. doh.gif Yea.. Agree! Kch price are sharp! Next time will look at LYN instead of local shop. Even + in shipping also cheaper then on shop price.

Hha. CM Hyper 6 match my mobo dont worry. Just my casing become pack after put all the thing in. No worry. Wanna did some casing arrangement and do abit OC and see how the thing goes.
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post Apr 6 2007, 09:14 PM

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Haha.. Yea yea!! Agree with edministrator. There just a name PC FAIR. But inside there all was doing cleareance stock business. Nothing much to see actually. Dont go. Its a waste of petrol and energy go there see nothing good. laugh.gif

Hmm.. Just did some cable management all hide some junk cable up. Now the casing looks more tidy. Haha. My pc side panel only closed when i do room cleaning. Rest of the time is open. Lol. icon_rolleyes.gif The cheapest way to cool down ther cpu.

p/s: Just hit 3.3Ghz wth my 3.0E at running at 38'c idle temperature. Trying to squeeze more! drool.gif
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post Apr 7 2007, 12:30 AM

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QUOTE(rainingzero @ Apr 6 2007, 11:09 PM)
actually, closed side panel will get better overall cooling for ur system. but it's depends on the casing used. air ventilation inside casing do improved overall cooling compared with an opened sidepanel one....that's y got intake and exhaust fans to provide fresh air to flow inside the casing through all the component and warm air to exit through exhaust...

just my opinion based from my research only...correct me if i'm wrong... icon_rolleyes.gif
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Agree. But hor.. My cap palang casing will make the whole system heat up if side panel is closed up. So i got no choice to on let it on! haha. doh.gif

Err.. Any other software can use to stress the clocked cpu beside prime95? Hehe.. Try it tomorrow.
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post Apr 9 2007, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(kabukiawie @ Apr 8 2007, 06:15 PM)
understand your feeling,  here only sell things that normal, high demand. Some shop even say 'i never heard of this brand before..' etc when you request something that they dont sell. Really hope that someday have chance go KL see the pikom there.

Fylon is looking for casing if not wrong. Just now i didnt notice there is any booth that selling casing. sweat.gif
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Haha.. Yup!! Cant find any case there. shakehead.gif Nothing new.. Cant even find a casing. doh.gif Faint with the pikom. Making the fair just for ther seller to clear their stock item~ rclxub.gif

Hmm.. Had run my prime95 for over 24hrs. PC didnt hanged yet. Is that consider the OC is success? Haha.. Currently running on 3.3Ghz. Rise 300Mhz speed. But didnt feel any improvement.. shocking.gif

Anybody had try with PCmark05? My current rigs score 3200++ only. sweat.gif
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post Apr 9 2007, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(raymond5105 @ Apr 9 2007, 09:49 AM)
@fylon,your proc + your GC can run 3D mark 05 at 3200++ consider quite good already.Between i have the same GC with you,i just tested with 3D mark 03 last time and manage to get 4400+ . If got time i will try to run on 3D mark 05 and see. biggrin.gif
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Haha.. Yea! Its pcmark05! not 3D mark. Btw, you hit 4k+ with 3Dmark03 with the saem GC as me? sweat.gif With my current GC i only archive around 36++ in 3Dmark03. And its DDR2 version of 9550 somemore. Wander why. Seems vary from ours. Did u did tweaking on ur GC such like OC to get that score?

QUOTE(kabukiawie @ Apr 9 2007, 10:28 AM)
i thought pcmark05 is different with 3dmark05. Confuse already. rclxub.gif

@fylon
actually with 300MHz oc dont really can feel the different. if you benchmark or running heavy program then you will notice it slightly faster than stock like loading time, responsiveness etc.
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Yea.. Its diffferent lo. Haha! PC mark is for PC. But only get around 3200+. Try squeeze my procs more. See can break 4k. But pray that the procs wont burnded. laugh.gif

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post Apr 9 2007, 05:55 PM

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Lol.. Welcome to the house of s478 k!nex! Haha! Hmm.. I thought most of the intel chip multiplier are locked. Unless ur lucky enough to get the unlocked version which are dam dam rare.

Btw, chips with northwood core are having better pontential to clock right?
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QUOTE(shinjite @ Apr 9 2007, 05:57 PM)
The unlocked version is the engineering samples (ES)

About Northwood have better potential to clock is not true due to the fabrication process. Prescott is way way better than the Northwood, not to mention the performance smile.gif

You can't compare a 130nm to a 90nm technology smile.gif
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Lol.. Thanks for info bro. Sorry.. Im fresh in this. Need some feeding. laugh.gif

Btw, can anybody tell me that how ram's timing affect the overall system performance and reliability? Im currently running on 2.5-3-3-6 timing for RAM with ratio 1:1 according to cpu-z. Is that ok? hmm.gif
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post Apr 11 2007, 09:40 AM

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Hm.. I dont think that voltage regulator will fixed the problems lo. Since is mobo itself which causing this happen, mobo cant operate in the exact value of voltage. So, even a place in a voltage regulator in the mobo itself also wont help. Anyways, this only my two cent.. Correct me if im wrong. laugh.gif
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post Apr 11 2007, 09:49 PM

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Lol.. Guys, got a question. Just hit my 3.0E to 3.4. Prime for 25hrs no error stated. Count OC success. Kinda happy. laugh.gif Just wander, is time to touch the ram by now? Or just let it be at the current speed? currently running at 2.5-3-3-6. Whats the different with tighten the ram and lossen it?
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QUOTE(kabukiawie @ Apr 11 2007, 10:14 PM)
i think you just push till it not stable then slowly reduce down. Get your max bootable speed, then test the stability. if fail then reduce down. as for timing, i would say that get the loosest like 3-3-3-8. Once you reach the highest stable speed, tighten up the timing. tongue.gif better read from the pinned thread in oc united there. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Haha. Yea.. I do read the pinned thread. But just for make sure then i asked here once agian. Sorry if causing inconvenience. Im still noob. icon_rolleyes.gif Usually, i did in the way with push the FSB to certain limit then log into the windows. Run stability test and see as if the system is error free or not. As if got error then i reduce back the speed. Cause im now only have 1 mobo with me, backup were sent to RMA. So i take safety way to OC my system. laugh.gif Make sure i rigs still got life to spent before the backup back from RMA.

QUOTE(shinjite @ Apr 11 2007, 10:32 PM)
Before I answer your question base on RAMs, I would like to ask you what ICs are there in your RAM module? ICs as in the memory chips used

Not to sound rude by answering a question with a question smile.gif
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Its ok. smile.gif About the ram chip ICs, i still not so sure about it. But will check it out after i off the pc tonite. The information about the chips are important interm of OC the ram right? I did my homework in learning about OC. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(weitiany @ Apr 14 2007, 12:14 PM)
what kind of ram is good for INTEL P4 2.0 with best speed?
can i add 512ram+1gb ram =1512?
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Guess it no problem for mixed up the rams. But make sure the rams that ur gona mix together are running on the same speed otherwise performance will be dragged. Ie. PC3200 mixed with PC2700, overall the ram will only run at PC2700 speed. Correct me if im wrong. icon_rolleyes.gif

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