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analyzer85
post Apr 4 2016, 07:39 PM

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Hi guys,
Firstly, thanks to jackson5759 for sharing this information with all of us. With LY community sharing this information has benefitted us all greatly as consumers, myself included.
I don't usually post in here, but this time reading through this thread compelled me to reply.
I do not wish to get into the debate of this all, but merely want to offer my 2 cents.

WARNING: Long rant ahead.

I have been a Maxis customer for about close to 20 years now. I use my Maxis line together with my 2 corporate company lines which is Celcom and Digi.

With that said, the reality is that loyalty counts for nothing these days. The faster some of you accept it, the better.

Maxis Head of Marketing Services
I sincerely believe you guys should stop picking on her. Don't make this personal, she's hired to say what he bosses want her to say, don't you guys see that? It makes it seem like most of you guys think she owns and decides everything.
I applaud her to take up the challenge to respond to this s***storm that's coming their way.

Maxis deserves to be called out, that I agree, but to make it personal and hounding her personally, is not.
Please distinguish person from the company. They made this decision as a company, so direct it at them, not her.
Based on what I found out, I'm not surprised if she didn't know about the 'loyalty department' until people started to complain.
Please be civilized about this.


Allow me to share my 2 cents objectively.

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My Experience
After this incident came to light, I did ask myself should I continue with Maxis? The cost for data on my Maxis line compared to Celcom was too hard to ignore. Ideally, I would’ve preferred to use Maxis over Celcom as my backup go-to line. Aside from being slightly more expensive, I never really had a problem with Maxis.

So yesterday I took the leap and ported to Celcom simply because the data disparity and cost difference was too huge to ignore. Since I have changed my role in my company, I do not really need to travel much anymore, so porting to Celcom wasn’t really a problem for me. I’m aware of the emotional attachment to Maxis having used them for so long, but alas, the cost difference was just unjustifiable to me.

True to its word, this morning I received a SMS to confirm me porting to Celcom and I replied YES without any hesitation. Within 20 minutes I got a call back with a counter offer from their loyalty department, which all of you have posted here.

Offer 1: RM 68 for 5GB, unlimited calls and data for social apps (FB, What’sApp, WeChat, Instagram), free Spotify
Offer 2: RM 88 for 8GB (1GB is for first 6 months only, after which will be 7GB), unlimited calls and data for social apps (like above), free Spotify

Then I asked for what other things can you offer me. The consultant then referred me to her ‘manager’.
The last offer was with a device.

Offer 3: Free Note 5, tied to 24 months contract, RM 158/month for 24 months, 5GB data, unlimited calls (basically Offer 1, RM68/month).

I told them I needed time to think, and to call me back. Which they did call me back once, but I told them I needed time since I was in a meeting.

I called back to Maxis Call Center 5 hours later because they did not call me back, and they couldn’t trace the person who called me, saying they have sent an email to call me back. They didn’t. I called them back THREE TIMES, as I wanted to stay with Maxis.
Then I received a SMS saying my number has been successfully ported over.

So thanks Maxis, but you just lost another customer. I will return only when the price is right. Until then, you have left a lot of people with bitter taste in their mouths.

As huge of an organization that you are, I understand that you have many levels and areas which is clearly defined (i.e. call center, service center and ‘loyalty department’), but at the end of the day, your customers are unhappy. You need to address this as you are bleeding customers.

‘Loyalty Department’
Oh by the way, their ‘loyalty’ department is actually outsourced to a company. So before you guys think it’s Maxis, it’s not. That’s why they have a “fixed offer” they read out to you to retain you. Don’t try to ask for more because it’s not their call to offer you.

The problem is in their own very system. The standard call center can’t help you. The ‘loyalty department’ can only give you these read out scripts. Makes sense now? The right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing!
Nice going Maxis!



analyzer85
post Apr 5 2016, 01:41 AM

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QUOTE(stevenX @ Apr 4 2016, 07:49 PM)
Actually .. its just maxis one plan + zerolution ..
Its not really free
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Yea, sure, there's no such thing as a free lunch. It's just packaging/how you present the data.
I myself am not interested in signing any contract more than 12 months, so the offer was never tempting in the first place.

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Hmm...
I only can agree some parts of your conclusion.

Maxis one plan for East Malaysia is cheaper, and use road condition as example, it is not a good idea.
If there is bad road, will you buy a Ferrari? I will scare my car will spoil. Back to the network, if i live there, i could not utilise my quota, i will just apply a pure talk plan for maybe RM30. Those will apply the RM68 plan, confirm live in somewhere can spend it.

Coverage - Most peoples do not care about the widest coverage. Most peoples only use their phone at home, & office. I am not saying having the widest network is bad, but not really useful for everyone. Most peoples will choose the best network around them, with acceptable price.
For congested issue, i used Maxis for 11years, 2years with umobile and 1year with celcom. Maxis is the one with the most congested issue for my area. The congested is like, totally cannot use, speedtest about 0.2mbps. Of course, in some areas only. Umobile, morning speedtest 10-15mbps, but night only 2mbps, still usable. Celcom has no congested issue yet, stable 20mbps.

Customer service - yes, maxis has the best customer service. No doubt for that. But it won't make me feel premium. If i have no issue, i won't contact them. And most of the time, the operator cannot do anything. They just pick your call, and transfer your report to technical team, which usually need 1-14 days to complete. If i cant call at the midnight, i will call at the morning. Unless something urgent like losing sim card.

Lastly,Loyalty Department - How to you know it is outsourced? Any source of this information? Your this conclusion make me feel very suspicious that you are working for maxis. Sorry if i am wrong.
From my past experience, maxis has special team (well-trained) to handle targeted customers, such as maxis one club, elite club, and so called loyalty dept.
I get this information from maxis website, many years ago, where to introduce the maxis one club.
Outsourced make me feel quite impossible. I only heard telco outsourced the debt collecting dept.

Anyway, these are my experience, correct me if i am wrong.
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Surely your experience would differ from mine, and you're entitled to your opinion and I can respect that.
What I mentioned is purely based on my own experience, so surely its just a difference of opinion.

I don't blame you for thinking I'm a Maxis employee from the way my previous posting seemed that I am 'Pro-Maxis'.
I would say yes, using Maxis for so long has somewhat have an emotional attachment to it.
But let's get real, as I said, loyalty counts for nothing anymore.
At the end of the day, my pockets are slightly heavier by me moving to Celcom, though if I could've accepted the counter-offer, or should they have kept their promise on calling me back, I probably would've still been a Maxis subscriber.
Nevertheless, because of how Maxis is run and how they handled my case, they lost my business. I'm not angry about it. Disappointed and slightly upset, yes. Angry, no.
After all, it's not personal, it's business. My money just goes to Celcom instead of Maxis.

As regards to the Loyalty Department, I did question their CS when I called in. On the third call, I asked them how hard is it for you to transfer me to that department, and why must you email them instead of passing the line?

Under pressure, the Customer Care Consultant told me is because these people calling me are a 'contractor' of Maxis, and their job purely trying to retain their customers, and in no way are they Maxis employees.

Could she be lying to me? Sure, that's possible.

But if indeed it's true that these people calling us to retain them as Maxis customers, wouldn't all these complaints fit and explain how this situation unfolded?

Firstly, they call you with a public phone number, in my case the number was 03-2856 6000 (call out number only).
When I get callbacks for their service center, it's from the 123 line. This case, it was a public fixed line.

It's interesting as I noticed that the Maxis Customer Care Consultant kept asking me what deal I got. It's as if they don't know what "deal" or "offer" I'm getting. I didn't give them an answer, only mentioning that I'm sure they know because there should be a lot of people calling in.

I feel this makes sense, because by having Maxis "outsource" this service ('loyalty department'), internal Maxis staff can't abuse this offer and give it to everyone they know, which was a problem before.

This would also explain why initially their Head of Marketing is fighting tooth and nail to defend Maxis. Perhaps when she found out what was happening, she just couldn't defend it anymore (and went on to delete her FB posts).

It's not beyond Maxis management to do this really. Think about it.

Maxis just deserves to get lashed because of this system they have adopted and the fact that they are slow to react to pricing war initiated by their competitors.


QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Apr 4 2016, 10:31 PM)
Good job guys... With this, I think Maxis can't do a damn thing anymore. They will came up with a new plan very very soon I think. Regardless of their offer, I'm staying with Celcom period. I ported out again from Maxis more than a year ago and quite happy to see the event unfolding for them.

However the fault lies with the subscribers ultimately. They are blinded by Maxis so called superiority which was true few years back. Ever since the start of 4G, many has caught up or even surpass them. Make yourself happier by choosing the best for yourself financially.
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I agree completely. At the end of the day, consumers are the winners or losers in this.
Because more and more people are reacting to this, therefore Maxis has to do something about it.

Anyhow, I understand that Maxis is in the works to release a new plan come this Friday, 7th of April. We shall see what they have in store for us. However, I don't expect it to be cheaper than Celcom or Digi. If it really is cheaper, I'd be very surprised.

That all said, at least Maxis has somewhat an initiative to retain their customers. Though it's badly executed (and they probably have to go back to the drawing board on how they want to fix their image as a result of this), at least they do try to retain you.

I'm not so sure if Celcom/Digi/U-Mobile even bothers when you port out.
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post Apr 5 2016, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(kyLL @ Apr 5 2016, 07:57 AM)
Interesting rumor.. Friday new plan in the works? How did u get that info?
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When I walked in into Maxis Sunway Pyramid last week to transfer ownership of my line (corporate to personal), and that's where they introduced me to my "special offer".

It was basically a One Plan RM98, with a RM20 rebate, and I was suppose to get 5GB of data as well. So when I signed up, they told me I will get 4GB of data first, and come 7th of April, another 1GB will be reflected in my quota.

I asked why so special, why only on the 7th of April this will be reflected? They said, basically its a early bird promo, where come the 7th, there will be adjustments to the plans offered.

I asked for more info on what other plans there are, and they said they don't know, just that the one offered to me is an "early bird" promo.

I guess its somewhat a way for them to retain me temporarily and hope I didn't port out.

The funny thing is that, due to their own miscommunication and lack of sincerity, I was ported out to Celcom yesterday. I would've stayed if their 'loyalty department' called me back in time, which they didn't.

Will see how this goes with Celcom. I already noticed that reception isn't as good in my own house.

And a minor gripe: Celcom doesn't allow call forwarding, not an option for First Gold it seems (I called their service line, not helpful at all).
I can live with that, just slightly annoyed the way the customer service consultant conducted herself, it's like, "I'm sorry, your line is not entitled to this call forward option". I asked if there's a solution, she said, "Nope, sorry". Really Celcom? Really?)
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post Apr 6 2016, 01:37 AM

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QUOTE(kyLL @ Apr 5 2016, 07:57 AM)
Interesting rumor.. Friday new plan in the works? How did u get that info?
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QUOTE(angel-girl @ Apr 5 2016, 11:56 AM)
just received sms from maxis said the port out is cancelled due to responded the porting sms with NO when actually i replied YES. welldone maxis well done.
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QUOTE(ken120 @ Apr 6 2016, 12:46 AM)
It's allowed to do call forwarding, i been subscribed to this FIRSTGOLD plan and been done call forwarding to my another number just in case there is no network coverage or engage on phone call..how come that yours is not entitled to call forward option rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
Does go centre for any clarification or confirmation on this issue?
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Thanks bro, I will check with them.
May I know how did you subscribe to this? Over the phone?


 

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