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arthur88
post Mar 15 2016, 09:30 AM

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guys, few things need enlightenment from u guys...
currently i'm riding demak dzm200, which i dont think is a good/reliable bike.
cause within 2 years, change piston, change chain, the screw that holds the bike frame easily loosen, fuel cap loosen cause rainwater got inside fuel tank..

so, i was thinking to change bike, due to my heavyweight body and daily 70km+ back and forth travelling, thinking to get bigger bike. how to define "bigger bikes"? i also do not sure, maybe u guys can shed some light to correct me.
previously ride kapcai EX5, end up rim bengkok and high fuel consumption (compare to riding dzm200).
so, going back to kapcai is a big No to me.


currently dzm200, only refuel once per week, the fuel tank is 17 liter, but weekly refuel 13-15liter.
then i look into 250cc bikes, the three famous/reliable brand, yamaha, honda and kawasaki.
price range within 20k+-, and i only have b2 license, not going to spend money to get B full license.

even their reliable brand, some models do break down alot, which is unknown to me cause i never ridden any of them.
any suggestions? which model to get? how is the maintenance?
i did read back the previous version, but inside got too much info which i do not familiar with.


on the other hand, i do consider the new yamaha 150cc, but my colleague riding one and mentioned the fuel tank is smaller, prefer the bikes that got bigger fuel tanks. but this is neligible.
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post Mar 15 2016, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Mar 15 2016, 09:36 AM)
mainly city riding? aggressive/spirited/track riding or not?

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ok with used bikes or not?
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yeah, mainly city riding.
ride to work and back from work, weekend sleep at home.

how to define....hmm....
if straight road with less traffic, i will pulas sampai habis that kind..
but if got traffic, ride according to traffic speed.

used bikes? i think i stay away first...
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post Mar 15 2016, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Mar 15 2016, 09:51 AM)
for yamaha, wait for MT25, or FZ150 as you mentioned also not bad.
Kawasaki would be Z250SL or Z250

other brands didn't really pay attention to them for the time being.

if you don't mind arching your back/crouching/tucking in, then you can have a go at the lightweight supersports that's having a ton of attention this past 2 years. Honda (CBR250RR) and Suzuki releasing new bikes as well to compete with Yamaha R25/Kawasaki Ninja 250R
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not the FZ150i, the other 150cc bike, upgrade of LC135?not sure though...

arching my back?my balls hurt if i emergency brake...
but how are the maintenance? costly?
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post Mar 15 2016, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(DoomHammer @ Mar 15 2016, 10:53 AM)
CBR250R, fuel consumption range from 27km/l to 34km/l. Engine oil 1.65l. Reliable commute bike but expensive if bought new.
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so u riding one?
how is the maintenance?
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post Mar 15 2016, 12:22 PM

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btw, yahama R25 not good?
mostly recommend cbr250 and z250.. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Mar 15 2016, 12:22 PM)
Definitely costlier than the regular city /naked bikes.  14.5k rpm limit lol
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can share the costs?
i mean the cost of the bike u riding now.
just fyi to me
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post Mar 15 2016, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(DoomHammer @ Mar 15 2016, 12:35 PM)
Yup owner since 2014. Daily ride 140km. I consider the maintenance is cheap because EO change 1.65l every 5000km (I use full syn). No problem so far, current mileage 43,000km +. The dual headlamp version has better reliability compared to the older (VFR look) one.
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even my dzm200 need to change EO every 5k km...
i also used fully syn, tot gonna last 10k km, end up around 6k-7k km the EO more than half gone, piston got scratch, need change piston....almost piston jammed while riding 110km/h...

guess what, mileage only 21k when i need to change piston...
now mileage 28k....still giving me headaches...

now every 5k km, i just go fuel station buy EO for trucks and put inside my bike...
the ride even smoother afterwards...
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post Mar 15 2016, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(mockv1per @ Mar 15 2016, 02:04 PM)
its time to change your engine, upgrade to lifan 250cc  whistling.gif
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got consider that before...but uh....if wana change engine, i rather buy new bike...
the lifan 2 cylinder one...saw that in dzm fb group...tempting...
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post Mar 30 2016, 09:51 PM

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reduce bike theft

guys based on the article above, i am thinking to get an alarm disc lock and ask bike shop to do a kill switch...
wondering how u guys take care of ur bikes...
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post Mar 31 2016, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(Cyphereza @ Mar 31 2016, 08:43 AM)
Go with Xena alarm disc lock (a bit expensive). I'm using Kovic, after a while, it tends to randomly sound the alarm. dry.gif
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got try to put additional kill switch?
is it advisable to do so?
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post Mar 31 2016, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(Cyphereza @ Mar 31 2016, 09:11 AM)
This one is up to you. I personally wouldn't mess with the electrical systems/wiring.
Mostly in Malaysia, usually they steal accessories (brakes, exhaust, etc.) instead of the whole bike. Depending on what bike la.
If you have time to research the bolt/screw/nut size of your brake callipers, levers, etc. invest in some security torx bolts.
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noted...now asking for suggestions cause new to superbikes...getting my R25 soon...
just now google about the alarm disc lock...
makes me hesitate when some said and even post photos that it is easily broken..
now i was-was want to get the alarm disc lock...

need to do more research and reading...
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post Mar 31 2016, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Mar 31 2016, 11:20 AM)
You on the racing version (red label/dark colored) or regular? (green/light colored)

my bike calls for 10w40 and considering the thing revs up to 14.5k, don't dare risk it unless i want to do UOA's.

the bike also calls for 5k km oil changes but i am doing half oci change.
this repsol oil will be in my bike for 2500 km then i will stick back regular 5k km due to financial problems that i can no longer sustain a half oci practice sad.gif
~rm40, from Tesco.
change at my regular bike shop for 5 bikes since bring outside oil instead of buying from them.
as per above. that is after discount/tesco promotion as they put their RRP 60 or was it 68.

i bought it last year october or november, before i even gotten the bike/license lol.

now i try to find they no longer have the racing version, only regular cry.gif
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anyone got tried to use 20W-50 before?
my current demak dzm200 using this vicosity...
first EO use fully syn motul 5100, then jetron, then goes to Heavy Duty Engine Oil...

all same vicosity, but surprisingly HDEO way smoother and can rev higher...
then i change back to motul 5100, damn cant rev at all, acceleration totally kong...

anyone got experience in using HDEO?

btw, 10W-40 suitable for high rev like more than 10k rev?
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post Mar 31 2016, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Mar 31 2016, 09:49 AM)
i ride R25 daily to work/everywhere as well.

i use xena alarm lock (without using alarm function even when it has it because imho too sensitive) for my front disc and the free disc lock from shop for my rear disc and of course the bike's built in handle bar lock.

my office is at first avenue (1 Utama), its more "civilized" so incidents are almost nil here.
a lot of riders leave their jacket/helmets on their bikes too so that says something.

if you're not so fortunate to park at guarded place with rich people/tenants, then consider getting another chain or something to tie the bike down to a pillar or something similar
or if you got colleagues/riders coming in/out at the same time, can consider tying multiple bikes together however can be inconvenient as must share key and if one leaves the other is a lone bike which needs something else to die down to.

this is to prevent people hoisting the entire bike up a pickup truck or similar methods.

then there's people stealing accessories, i've got 2-3 friends faced the same fate, replacements are in the 2-6k (one friend had to claim total lost because there's nothing left besides the engine/frame) because theirs are bigger/more expensive bikes with brembos.

the best way is still to park responsibly and prudently. try to park at guarded basements with guards patrolling to guard cars as well.
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this is a good input...
everyday weekday i goto exercise in botanical park after work.
that is a public where all just leave their helmet and belongings at their bike...
but the bike 99% normal bikes, not superbikes...

however, from time to time, i notice there will be some indians or mat rempits "patrolling" for prey...
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QUOTE(Cyphereza @ Mar 31 2016, 09:21 AM)
You wouldn't go wrong with Xena. Get the one with large pin. At least 10mm.
Btw, any kind of lock is just to slow down or repel (they see you have big lock, they'll need to spend more time. More time equals to more risk of getting nabbed) thieves. Any lock can be opened, just how fast one to pick it.
Once I have a Yale door knob, oso can pick lock it, key maker told me it was very hard to pick it. Took him 15-20 minutes. He said if it was a cikai knob, skejap je...
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xena will be my first priority lock for my bike then thumbup.gif
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post Mar 31 2016, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(Cyphereza @ Mar 31 2016, 11:29 AM)
I think you should follow your motorcycle specs.
Like mine is 10w-40, if I cannot find this, I'll use 15w-50. Most of the time, I'm on 10w-40.
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you're right...need to go thru the owner's manual after i get my hands on my bike...

btw, superbike also got the same "break-in" as normal bikes?
like cannot ride more than 80km/h...or cannot rev more than certain rpm?

i goto LC135 thread, they have quite specific "break-in" method...
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post Mar 31 2016, 12:03 PM

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how u break-in ur R25?
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post Apr 1 2016, 09:09 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Mar 31 2016, 03:46 PM)
old mentality bro.
1) viscosity does NOT fully determine an oil's film strength/protection
2) HDEO is not designed with bikes in mind, if you prefer using it, that's your own prerogative.
for bikes, follow the manual which typically requires API and/or JASO specifications
3) motul 5100 is not loaded with ester which is not what motul is good at.
also, because of the brand/pricing, it is perceived that ALL motul products are good and have a high expectation that may disappoint a lot of people.
what motul is good at is their ester products and that is reserved for their high end models (7100) or top of the line 300v series.
4) R25 requires 10w40, and yes, VERY suitable for high revving 14.5k rpm

if you have the time and want to know more, please visit: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3310512
i am the TS of that thread, and i am adding more bike info as i get to learn more smile.gif

i will answer on break in on a separate post.

slight sales pitch: i am bulking 8 bottles of Torco T4SR fully synthetic at RM61/bottle @ Seri Kembangan after morning riding session.
normal price afaik is rm80-88 per bottle as torco website RRP is 20ish usd:
http://www.torcousa.com/torco_product/t4sr.html
i am most likely taking 3 sets of 6 bottles, but if you are interested, come offload 2 bottles from me please wink.gif
sounds risky to me, try to find a pole/lamp post or something, to tie down the bike.

but that won't stop them from stealing your brakes or accessories attached to it sad.gif
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i got go thru EO when i bought my car 4 years back...but i think i only scratch the surface...
will definitely spend time to read more about EO..

i'm using HDEO cause my current demak bike is smooth for it...
btw, if i use motul 5100, EO leaking, but use HDEO, nothing happened....but its gonna past tense now...later goona get my hands on my R25...ystdy arrived at bike shop...take it for short ride to pump RON97...

too bad i'm in penang, not KL area...

thinking to park my bike near entrance where there is a lot of ppl whenver i go exercise after work..
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post Apr 1 2016, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Mar 31 2016, 04:27 PM)
support hard breakin/ride it like you stole it/no fucks given mode tongue.gif
generally:
http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

personally:
- vary on rpm
- if you follow strictly to owner manual, thats under 7k rpm or something under 600 or was it 1k km odo?
that means about 100kph on 6th gear.
on a sports bike? fuck that. red line the bitch and let it scream tearing through >180kph bruh.

to compensate from the abuse, i do a half OCI practice:
manual = 1k km/5k km/ 10k km oil changes
i did 500/1200 (only because i went ipoh trip and overshot lolz)/2500/5000.

will no longer be practicing half oci after the next change at 5000 with motul 7100 due to financial issues.
but again, my preference, you're free to choose yourself accordingly to your budget.
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ystdy night went thru the owner manual...
need to keep below 8400rpm for 1600km aka 1000miles...

think i will be doing same as u...change EO on 500km, then 1000km change again...
gonna go PJ on 1st May...
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post Apr 6 2016, 09:34 AM

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in the owner's manual, there got stated need to warm up the bike before riding it...
what kind of warm up?
let the temp rise up? rev for few times? ride slow2 early of the day when riding?

how i do is, start the engine, let the engine running for 3 minutes or so until the temp bar rise up to 3 bar.
is this the correct way to warm up bike?
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post Apr 6 2016, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(adibyusoff @ Apr 6 2016, 10:04 AM)
never rev your bike on initiatl startup. let it run on itself until rpm maintain at 1000rpm. then you're good to go.

not necessarily 3 minutes. just wait for the rpm to remain idle at 1000rpm.
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but my R25 always on 1.5k rpm...from cold start until 3 bar temp...still 1.5k rpm...
3 minutes is what it takes to goto 3 bar temp...
if wait longer, the fan start running and can smell the paint smell...
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