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post Jun 13 2016, 11:46 AM

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6 hours is considerably fast....it took me two full days to settle my brother in law's car, on an intermediate detailing.
I usually like taking my time, so i can sometimes go all crazy and spend my entire weekend just detailing a car.

Paste wax is meant for hand application. Liquid wax is designed to use on machine.

My first time i did some horrible mistake by not cleaning my pad often..end up some spots having pig's tail marks.
Learn that mistake and quickly diy a pad cleaner using 2 grit guards and a specific bucket. cleaning pad often sure makes a lot of difference in cutting and polishing.

Hope you enjoy detailing with your navara!
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post Jun 13 2016, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(douglas_tong @ Jun 13 2016, 11:46 AM)
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6 hours is considerably fast....it took me two full days to settle my brother in law's car, on an intermediate detailing.
I usually like taking my time, so i can sometimes go all crazy and spend my entire weekend just detailing a car.

Paste wax is meant for hand application. Liquid wax is designed to use on machine.

My first time i did some horrible mistake by not cleaning my pad often..end up some spots having pig's tail marks.
Learn that mistake and quickly diy a pad cleaner using 2 grit guards and a specific bucket. cleaning pad often sure makes a lot of difference in cutting and polishing.

Hope you enjoy detailing with your navara!
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2 days.. wow.. my car isn't that dirty and only 4 yrs old car. All the time maintain good only that once happened I parked at my office, workshop area ppl were spraying paint and landed on my car bonnet. The clay didn't turn out to be very dirty.

I have consulted Meguiar technician b4 I started the detailing job. The technician said I could use machine + paste wax and he did demo using his pad. Meguiar has some small pads to fit in the past wax tin but I didn't realize until I used mine. According to Meguiar technician, liquid wax n paste wax are the same. Depends on user. He only highlighted liquid wax + machine will consume more than paste, therefore the liquid wax giving extra oz for compensation. Basically same results. Well, I can't argue that cos this is my first time. Will try liquid wax once my paste finish. rolleyes.gif

I watched in utube, a guy using a nylon brush to remove the residuals before cleaning the pads. I do the same. After finished, I use normal washing soap to wash n rinse it. So far can restore look like new. No bad spots on the surface. rclxms.gif

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post Jun 13 2016, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(qboy123 @ Jun 13 2016, 12:09 PM)
2 days.. wow.. my car isn't that dirty and only 4 yrs old car. All the time maintain good only that once happened I parked at my office, workshop area ppl were spraying paint and landed on my car bonnet. The clay didn't turn out to be very dirty.

I have consulted Meguiar technician b4 I started the detailing job. The technician said I could use machine + paste wax  and he did demo using his pad. Meguiar has some small pads to fit in the past wax tin but I didn't realize until I used mine. According to Meguiar technician, liquid wax n paste wax are the same. Depends on user. He only highlighted liquid wax + machine will consume more than paste, therefore the liquid wax giving extra oz for compensation. Basically same results. Well, I can't argue that cos this is my first time. Will try liquid wax once my paste finish.  rolleyes.gif

I watched in utube, a guy using a nylon brush to remove the residuals before cleaning the pads. I do the same. After finished, I use normal washing soap to wash n rinse it. So far can restore look like new. No bad spots on the surface. rclxms.gif
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Meguiars' gold class carnauba wax attracts dirty easily....thats why i still have a bottle unfinished.
basically, paste and liquid is more or less the same, just the amount of solvent in it that keeps the wax in liquid form. Real natural waxs are actually hard.

Between paste and liquid i prefer liquid, it contains more petroleum solvents that help clean the pores..not that it should matter because the paint is suppose to be clean, but between cleaner wax in paste and liquid form, the liquid one thrives in theory.

you wouldn't be able to finish your paste wax. most detailers i know have too much waxes, and rarely finishes one. HAHAHAHAHA

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post Jun 13 2016, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(douglas_tong @ Jun 13 2016, 02:21 PM)
Meguiars' gold class carnauba wax attracts dirty easily....thats why i still have a bottle unfinished.
basically, paste and liquid is more or less the same, just the amount of solvent in it that keeps the wax in liquid form. Real natural waxs are actually hard.

Between paste and liquid i prefer liquid, it contains more petroleum solvents that help clean the pores..not that it should matter because the paint is suppose to be clean, but between cleaner wax in paste and liquid form, the liquid one thrives in theory.

you wouldn't be able to finish your paste wax. most detailers i know have too much waxes, and rarely finishes one. HAHAHAHAHA
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I really no expert in this, what wax will not attract dirty? Cleaner wax? Any recommendation?

Now I prefer liquid wax because of the liquid is easily to squeeze out from the bottle, instead of paste wax. biggrin.gif


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post Jun 13 2016, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(douglas_tong @ Jun 13 2016, 11:46 AM)
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Paste wax is meant for hand application. Liquid wax is designed to use on machine.
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No, paste waxes can be used for machines, it just inconvenient because the pad might have to be removed or could be too large to fit the can. Liquid waxes/polishes can be used for hand application.
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post Jun 13 2016, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(qboy123 @ Jun 13 2016, 02:38 PM)
I really no expert in this, what wax will not attract dirty? Cleaner wax? Any recommendation?

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It doesn't depend on whether the wax is paste/liquid. The term cleaner wax means the wax also has some mild polish in it mainly to remove light amounts of dirt.

Some waxes feel oily and use silicone which could get more dust to stick.
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post Jun 13 2016, 04:28 PM

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does coating really necessary especially for a pearl white color?

still thinking if i should go for it coz there are lot of mixed reviews in internet
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Any good car polishing/detailing shop near KL? My car got some minor scratches and stain marks over the past one year. The stain is due to droplet from the sewerage piping in the building, i parked my car under the basement car park. I cant remove the stain by using WD40 and polishing gel.
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post Jun 13 2016, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(derail @ Jun 13 2016, 04:06 PM)
No, paste waxes can be used for machines, it just inconvenient because the pad might have to be removed or could be too large to fit the can. Liquid waxes/polishes can be used for hand application.
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that's true. seen someone using butter knife to scoop from the can to apply on pads. as a general guide, most will opt liquid for machine application.
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post Jun 13 2016, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jun 13 2016, 04:28 PM)
does coating really necessary especially for a pearl white color?

still thinking if i should go for it coz there are lot of mixed reviews in internet
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Coating is never designed to be a must for any color of the car. Coating is just a "revolutionary" paint protection product that lasts longer than the conventional wax/sealant, apart from some other outstanding attributes (eg: strongly hydrophobic, hardness, resist to chemical, etc.).

Typically, coating makes cleaning/maintenance more easily, so dirt can't easily attach on top of it. Or dirts do not directly "attack" on the bare surface of clearcoat.

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post Jun 13 2016, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(windskill @ Jun 13 2016, 11:05 PM)
Coating is never designed to be a must for any color of the car. Coating is just a "revolutionary" paint protection product that lasts longer than the conventional wax/sealant, apart from some other outstanding attributes (eg: strongly hydrophobic, hardness, resist to chemical, etc.).

Typically, coating makes cleaning/maintenance more easily, so dirt can't easily attach on top of it. Or dirts do not directly "attack" on the bare surface of clearcoat.

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meaning to say the bird poops will be easily wiped off after coating? as the white color will become yellowish in future, coating wont do any jsutice for this?

how about those stonechips?
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post Jun 14 2016, 01:13 AM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jun 13 2016, 11:14 PM)
meaning to say the bird poops will be easily wiped off after coating? as the white color will become yellowish in future, coating wont do any jsutice for this?

how about those stonechips?
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Based on my experience, yes, bird poops can be easier to wipe off from the coating compared to bird poops from bare, unprotected paintwork surface.

Hmm...my little bit of research on "why white paint turns yellowish". Here are the 2 links that discussed about that:
1) http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showt...Pmt4OMxps4mV.97
2) http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/hot-to...teaches-us.html

White paint turns yellowish because of dirts and contamination bonded to the paint over the time. Same thing happens to darker paint as well, but it's just harder for us to see. So, if coating acts as a "sacrificial layer" to protect the car paintwork for long period of time, yes, coating definitely can help to prevent white paint from turning yellowish. smile.gif

Well, coating can reduce the risk of stonechip to certain extent, IMO, but I disagree it can completely block stonechip.

In short, no matter you have coating or not, regular+proper cleaning/maintenance is the key to protect the good condition of paintwork. Coated car without proper regular cleaning is useless too as the performance of the coating might deteriorate over the time and you might not get the full durability of the coating as what it should be able to attain.
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QUOTE(windskill @ Jun 14 2016, 01:13 AM)
Based on my experience, yes, bird poops can be easier to wipe off from the coating compared to bird poops from bare, unprotected paintwork surface.

Hmm...my little bit of research on "why white paint turns yellowish". Here are the 2 links that discussed about that:
1) http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showt...Pmt4OMxps4mV.97
2) http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/hot-to...teaches-us.html

White paint turns yellowish because of dirts and contamination bonded to the paint over the time. Same thing happens to darker paint as well, but it's just harder for us to see. So, if coating acts as a "sacrificial layer" to protect the car paintwork for long period of time, yes, coating definitely can help to prevent white paint from turning yellowish.  smile.gif

Well, coating can reduce the risk of stonechip to certain extent, IMO, but I disagree it can completely block stonechip.

In short, no matter you have coating or not, regular+proper cleaning/maintenance is the key to protect the good condition of paintwork. Coated car without proper regular cleaning is useless too as the performance of the coating might deteriorate over the time and you might not get the full durability of the coating as what it should be able to attain.
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fair enough smile.gif

so would you still recommend coating?
the thing i worried about is just scratch and maybe the residue after raining
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post Jun 14 2016, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jun 14 2016, 01:22 AM)
fair enough smile.gif

so would you still recommend coating?
the thing i worried about is just scratch and maybe the residue after raining
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Cost effective method : wash after rain
Less cost effective method : coating
Cost ineffective method : clear bra
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post Jun 14 2016, 12:10 PM

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Guys i'm selling my meguiars paint restoration kit for rm180.

I brought it but then got no time to use it. Also come with sample size spray wax.

Anywan want can pm or whatsapp +60137284040. COD at kl guys. Thx.


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post Jun 14 2016, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jun 14 2016, 01:22 AM)
fair enough smile.gif

so would you still recommend coating?
the thing i worried about is just scratch and maybe the residue after raining
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Yes, I would still recommend you to do coating if your budget is permissible smile.gif

Residue after rain? You mean watermarks?
Some detailers might offer your the service to remove scratches after they have coated your car. You might just need to pay some money and they can get it done. You have to ask then smile.gif
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QUOTE(windskill @ Jun 14 2016, 02:08 PM)
Yes, I would still recommend you to do coating if your budget is permissible smile.gif

Residue after rain? You mean watermarks?
Some detailers might offer your the service to remove scratches after they have coated your car. You might just need to pay some money and they can get it done. You have to ask then smile.gif
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since this will be on my new car, allocate 2k for coating and another 2k for tinting going to hurt my wallets laugh.gif

maybe i can do the coating like few months later
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post Jun 15 2016, 07:04 AM

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Anyone know which detailer can do under body/ chassis wash and wax?
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jun 14 2016, 02:10 PM)
since this will be on my new car, allocate 2k for coating and another 2k for tinting going to hurt my wallets laugh.gif

maybe i can do the coating like few months later
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I am interested to do coating as well. Which coating have you decided to do that costs 2k?
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QUOTE(Xaphier @ Jun 15 2016, 10:54 AM)
I am interested to do coating as well. Which coating have you decided to do that costs 2k?
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that's jsut my rough estimation but i read that Sierra Glow is quite cheap and yet quality
any comment?
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