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Yes, depends on which version you are going to get.[OFFICIAL]Rig Suggestion Q&A Thread V11!
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Jul 3 2016, 06:29 PM
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Jul 3 2016, 11:24 PM
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QUOTE(mah0528 @ Jul 3 2016, 09:51 PM) Hi All Sifus, need a suggestion to build a budget gaming rig CPU only Intel Core i5 6500 - RM 835[Budget] RM3~3.5K [Purpose] Computer gaming (With xbox one controller), watch videos [Hardwares that will be re-use] 40 inch FULL HD TV as Monitor; Corsair CM 600watt Power Supply [Games & softwares that use frequently] Batman series, tomb raider, diablo 3, xcom and so on.. [Personal preferences] Prefer Intel & nVidia; now headache on mobo & graphic card selection; survey and found that GTX 970 is the best and I need an WIFI feature on my CPU as well [Location] KL Gigabyte B150M-D3H (D4) - RM 379 Corsair 8GB DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM - RM 130 Palit GTX970 4GB GDDR5 Jetstream - RM 1369 Kingston SSDNow UV400 120GB SSD - RM 153 WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 209 TP-LINK TL-WN722N USB WiFi Adapter - RM 45 Tecware Alpha - RM 199 Total: RM 3319 (ETech price inclusive of GST) You can consider the new RX480 also, but not with the reference card at the moment (wait for non-reference card) and AMD to issue a fix to the power overdraw from PCIe slot. Not recommended to get any GTX970 with price tag > 1.4k now because by just adding another RM 600, you can get the new GTX1070 at ~60% performance improvement over the old GTX970. If your WiFi router supports dual band (2.4GHz and 5GHz), please get a dual band USB WiFi adapter or PCIe WiFi adapter (more reliable but expensive). This post has been edited by terence_nwb: Jul 3 2016, 11:25 PM |
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Jul 3 2016, 11:38 PM
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QUOTE(ThE-1cY @ Jul 3 2016, 10:08 PM) Currently using N mode router sharing with 8 users in condo. Ping spike from 1ms to 1000ms+ every 10 seconds. Gaming server with 1ms? Are you gaming locally using local server or the server is just beside you? It is impossible to get 1ms if you are within the close range of the gaming server, but < 50ms is acceptable for online games (hardly notice any lag).Budget: <RM500 for wireless AC router. Suggest one <RM800 as well. Btw, does wireless AC router give better ping like 1ms constantly in gaming even when sharing with 8 other users? For < RM 500, TP-LINK Archer C7 (AC1750) is the best pick. For < RM 800, you can look for TP-LINK Archer C9 (AC1900) or Archer C2600 (AC2600). Better router uses better CPU/wireless chipset/antenna, thus improving the overall performance, but latency is subject to many possibilities, the Internet bandwidth you have, coverage, obstacles, server location etc. Lets say if you are playing Dota 2 on SG server, when bandwidth is not an issue (no people hogging the line watching YouTube, torrenting etc.), you shouldn't face any latency issue (unless your ISP/games server is having issue with their cables/connection/routes) provided your wireless receiver is good enough and have excellent (or good) signal strength to transfer/receive the data from the router, obstacles such as wall/door are always the main cause for data/packet lost. So just make sure you have a decent wireless receiver and setup QoS (bandwidth limiter) in your router if there are many bandwidth abusers so your games will have enough bandwidth to communicate with the games servers smoothly. |
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Jul 3 2016, 11:40 PM
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QUOTE(Xcaliber @ Jul 3 2016, 10:29 PM) I need new rig . Budget around 1.3k Intel Core i3 6100 - RM 485My main usages . Internet browsing ( streamyx ) HD movie online Photo editing ..photoshops , lightroom Powerpoint Can anyone recommend . MSI H110M PRO-VD - RM 265 Corsair 8GB DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM - RM 130 WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 209 CM Elite 350W - RM 126 Armageddon T1x - RM 95 Total: RM 1310 (ETech price inclusive of GST) |
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Jul 3 2016, 11:55 PM
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QUOTE(tritonite @ Jul 3 2016, 10:33 PM) Thank you for the prompt reply. I notice that you don't tend to include a cooler for the processor in most of your suggestions. Is the Skylake stock cooler more than adequate for non-OCed systems, even in a non-AC environment? If noise under load is a concern, should I opt for a 3rd party cooler? Also, would an extra RM500 to the budget, making it RM3k, get me a better 'value for money' system? Thanks again. QUOTE(tritonite @ Jul 3 2016, 11:13 PM) I was really wondering if the extra cost of an i5-6500 over the i5-6402P is worth it. Intel HSF (stock cooler) is ok even with the hot weather in Malaysia but yea, if airflow is bad (or no airflow at all) then you seriously need to get something to cool it down (add casing fan, move the rig to somewhere else etc.)I think 8GB is quite adequate for what I will be using it for... unless, of course, you can convince me that there's an argument for having 16GB in such a mediocre system. Noise level is very subjective, some people can live with it, some cannot (due to sensitive ears), opting for 3rd party cooler is always welcomed to keep the temperature low to maximize the lifespan of the hardware. Usually mITX case has limited space and comes with a strict CPU cooler clearance, so make sure the 3rd party cooler is able to fit in the case (76mm if you choose CM Elite 110). WoW doesn't require a very powerful CPU to run so adding RM 500 won't benefit you too much. i5 6500 comes with a better iGPU (GT740/R7 250 equivalent) and higher stock clock speed, if you have the budget then you can always pick the i5 6500. |
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Jul 4 2016, 12:02 AM
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QUOTE(lo0se3r @ Jul 3 2016, 10:43 PM) Thank you, any chance you can provide me the setup for this? Everything is compatible and it costs around RM 2350.From what I read from previous post, the setup are below? Intel Core i5 6402P Asus H110M-K Corsair 8GB DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM Zotac GTX750Ti 2GB GDDR5 Single Fan FSP Hexa+ 450W Tecware F3 Logitech MK270R Wireless Combo BENQ GW2270 QUOTE(choonyink @ Jul 3 2016, 10:45 PM) INTEL CORE I5 6500 The best would be wait for non-reference of RX480, the reference one comes with not-so-efficient blower type cooler.ASROCK B150M-HDV D4 G.SKILL 8GB DDR4 2133mhz SAPPHIRE RX 480 8GB BITFENIX NOVA WINDOW (BLACK/WHITE) WD 1TB Caviar Blue TPLINK TL-WDN4800 (or anything similar) FSP HEXA+ 550W Guys, am suggesting a friend a gaming spec with a budget around RM3k to RM3.3k. Is the above spec ok? And also please wait and see if AMD can issue a permanent fix to the PCIe power overdraw issue or not first before pulling the trigger or else prepare to fry up the PCIe slot of your mobo (check news if you haven't heard about it yet). |
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Jul 4 2016, 12:16 AM
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QUOTE(jenngiap @ Jul 3 2016, 11:14 PM) Hi Guys, Intel Core i5 6500 - RM 835Any recommendations for a custom cpu only? Budget 3k-3.5k but looking for major stuffs first. Do not need dvd/cd rom. Able to play most of the game with decent fps but no required until ultra performance. Able to do a lots multi tasking job at the same thing without any lagging. Thank you. Gigabyte B150M-D3H (D4) - RM 379 Corsair 16GB (8GB x 2) DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM - RM 250 RX480 ~ RM 1350 (wait for non-reference if possible) Kingston SSDNow UV400 120GB SSD - RM 153 WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 209 FSP Hexa+ 550W - RM 188 Tecware Alpha - RM 199 Total: RM 3563 (ETech price inclusive of GST, assuming the price of non-reference is RM 1350) |
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Jul 4 2016, 12:26 AM
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QUOTE(Slick69 @ Jul 4 2016, 12:04 AM) Just a fyi. You don't want to have a risk of frying up your mobo, do you? The power overdraw needs to be fixed (and permanently) before we have more victims.Rx 480 will only harm very budget oriented motherboards or very old motherboards only. In 2008 or older. As long as you have a decent or great motherboard today it shouldn't be a problem and nothing to worry about. The worse of the worse (the 90watt constant spike) will only occurs when you are overclocking. For many people,this shouldn't be a problem (only enthusiast overclocks). Gtx 960 and gtx 950 also have the same issue but we never seen any motherboards broken yet right? This is something to be concern about ,yes. But ultimately it's a non-issue. QUOTE As explained in this write-up, unfiltered output is not representative of true power draw. Switching DC-DC converters will cause current spikes, but motherboards are designed to tolerate those. As the motherboard makers we asked informed us, instantaneous spikes (within reason) can be tolerated. It is the sustained (average / filtered measurement) current draw that is the issue, as that is what leads to excessive heat and possible damage. In your linked review, average draw was *well below* the limit, while the average draw of the 480 was above (>50% when overclocked) that same limit. - Allyn Malventano of PCPer QUOTE(tritonite @ Jul 4 2016, 12:11 AM) Thank you. You have convinced me that the system spec on the original budget of RM2.5k will be sufficient for me. mITX case is not cheap when we talk about those "premium" features, you might need to fork out extra 100/200 bucks just to get those basic filters that you can find in sub-RM 150 standard ATX case.May consider something like a Cryorig C7 to replace the stock HSF. Still just a bit concerned about the Elite 110. I really like the compact size, but those holes at the top and sides will probably let a lot of dust into the casing, especially if it's located right next to an open window. Will probably see if Etech has a similar mITX casing, maybe with filters. That may be where a bit of extra expenditure will go. |
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Jul 4 2016, 08:51 AM
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QUOTE(Slick69 @ Jul 4 2016, 12:58 AM) You may be right. It is not overreacted, even Raja also came out and said something on his Twitter, rest assuring his engineering team is looking into the issue now and will issue a fix (hopefully a permanent one) as soon as possible.I just got a feeling we may have all overreacted a bit on this issue you know? Why doesn't nvidia got this much flak before (gtx 950 and 960) anyway? Oh, can you show me the victims? Never heard of one yet. WCCFtech published an article yesterday on this issue too. Their verdict is simply "don't read too much into it!". Google it. Www.wccftech.com/amd-rx-480-pcie-power-issue-detailed-overclocking-investigated/ ( i don't know how to link yet) 😢😧 GTX950/960 is different case, those are spikes when switching between DC-DC converters and mobo is able to tolerate those, reference RX480 is constantly > 75W (77W - 79W), that's the main issue here, prepare to have the reference card nerfed by AMD to keep the power usage well below the safety mark, or just wait for non-reference card to include 8 pin PCIe power connector to overcome the power overdraw issue, we are talking about the constant power overdraw, not the minor spike which mobo allows/tolerates. And don't link WCCFTech article here anymore, WCCFTech is well-known to create unreliable info/sources/clickbait, the website is already blacklisted by few reddit subforum, /r/pcmr, /r/games, /r/amd etc. They are the one who created the hype saying it will outperform <insert the high end GPU here> by miles at much cheaper price tag and repeated the post by creating few different articles (re-posting from other website, copy-and-paste work etc.) https://community.amd.com/thread/202410 |
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Jul 4 2016, 09:05 AM
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QUOTE(ThE-1cY @ Jul 4 2016, 02:51 AM) Sorry, I should have made it clear that the ping is to router, so it spikes from 1ms to 1000ms+. During Dota 2 SG server, normal ping would be around 9ms - 10ms. Jump to 1000ms+ occasionally. Alright I am a TIME user so I can share some of my experience with you. The stock router (ZTE ZXHN H298N) is not a good router that can handle so much traffics and bandwidth, it is a single band (2.4GHz only) router so you can't utilize all the speed you have (100Mbps) unless you have a capable 11n device and standing in front of the router, I tested it personally and yea it was quite bad, replacement is recommended for a such high speed Internet package.Using TIME 100Mbps, default router, ZTE ZXHN H298N. The router is placed right beside my room less than 5 meters away, separated by a wall. Signal strength is 100 all the time but bad ping. Questions: 1. Is TP-LINK Archer C7 (AC1750) significantly better than the stock TIME router? (Noticed that beamforming is not available for this model. Is this important?) 2. TP-LINK T8E AC1750 Dual Band PCIe WiFi - RM 215. Is this considered good wireless receiver? (If I continue using stock TIME router, will I see improvement using this wireless receiver?) 3. There are 2 boxes at the router. I assume one of them is the router (H298N) and the other ONU? Just change the router will do? Archer C7 is considered as high end router, beamforming helps to boost the coverage, but not much, just a little, if your house is not that big, 5GHz should be able to cover the whole unit (except corner area where 2.4GHz will take over). What's your current WiFi receiver/adapter? If it is already a decent one then getting something that is same level won't improve the situation. Yes, just change the router (the one with pink color TIME logo printed on it), make sure you have your TIME PPPoE username and password, you can check it on selfcare portal or call TIME helpline to retrieve it. |
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Jul 4 2016, 09:22 AM
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QUOTE(mah0528 @ Jul 4 2016, 07:36 AM) Thanks Sifu, can I have some amend as below? My bad that I have so many T & C, basically this PC will not for any overclocking thingy, just wish to have good FPS on those current games.. i5 6500 is good enough to yield a solid performance in current games, going from 6500 to 6600 won't give significant boost, the price/performance ratio isn't good.I think the budget will over...T_T Intel Core i5 6500 - RM 835 >> Intel Core i5 6600 ? Gigabyte B150M-D3H (D4) - RM 379 Corsair 8GB DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM - RM 130 >> HyperX performance 16GB RAM (8GB x2) vs 16GB value RAM (16GB x1), any different? Palit GTX970 4GB GDDR5 Jetstream - RM 1369 >> Can I wait for RX480? Actually Nvidia or AMD different is on? Kingston SSDNow UV400 120GB SSD - RM 153 >> 256GB can? WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 209 >> REMOVE as I will add in other time TP-LINK TL-WN722N USB WiFi Adapter - RM 45 Tecware Alpha - RM 199 >> Any casing with better air flow + silent? Only Z170 series mobo can utilize RAM speed of > 2133MHz, so if you get a 2400MHz/2666MHz (or higher) RAM, it will be downclocked to 2133MHz automatically by the mobo, that's because the highest speed supported on H110/B150/H170 is just 2133MHz (the base clock of DDR4 RAM), so there isn't a point to get "performance" RAM when you are going to get a non-Z170 mobo unless the price between the value RAM and "performance" RAM is very close. 8GB x 2 vs 16GB x 1, the former one will run in dual channel mode, which means it will be slightly faster than the latter one, but the difference is hard to notice in real life usage, I recommend you to get 8GB x 2 instead to run them in dual channel mode since the mobo listed above comes with 4 RAM slots (not limited by the amount of RAM slots like those lower end mobo), 8GB x 2 is also slightly cheaper than 16GB x 1 at the moment as well. You can swap to RX480 but please wait for non-reference model of RX480 instead, reference RX480 runs hotter due to the not-so-efficient blower cooler and possibly a 8 pin PCIe power connector instead of the stock 6 pin PCIe power connector for better overclocking (and fix the PCIe power overdraw issue) 256GB SSD, yes you can but I think you need to increase your budget for this, just make sure you will have enough storage space if you remove the 1TB HDD, 256GB can be fully filled in just matter of time Tecware Alpha comes with 3 casing fans which provide more airflow than other case that is priced at similar price point, airflow is ok, I've built few rigs with this case, temperature isn't a major issue TBH (feedback from actual users), noise level is within acceptable range. |
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Jul 4 2016, 11:23 AM
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QUOTE(roxassora @ Jul 4 2016, 11:04 AM) Yo boss, Intel Pentium G4400 - RM 239[B][Budget] = Rm2k include monitor [Purpose] = Casual gaming. If possible it able to play modern games at low to custom medium setttings. [Hardwares that will be re-use] = None [Monitor resolution] = 20" inch [Games & softwares that use frequently] = moba games and some mmo [Personal preferences] = None. As long as its possible to play games like fallout 4 or some AAA games on low or custom medium settings [Location] = Sarawak MSI H110M Pro-VH - RM 265 Corsair 8GB DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM - RM 130 Zotac GTX750Ti 2GB GDDR5 Single Fan - RM 470 WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 209 FSP Hexa+ 450W - RM 166 Tecware F3 - RM 119 BenQ GW2270 - RM 379 Total: RM 1977 (ETech price inclusive of GST) |
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Jul 4 2016, 11:49 AM
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QUOTE(Aivihc @ Jul 4 2016, 11:35 AM) still in dilemma! 2nd option is a clear winner, you allocated a large sum of budget for SSD in 1st build which I don't think it will benefit you too much since you already have a 256GB SSD to reuse.which options should i pull trigger? i5 6500 Corsair Value Select 16GB DDR4 Samsung 850EVO 500GB Gigabyte B150M-D3H i7 6700 Corsair Value Select 32GB DDR4 (16x2 / 4x8) any cheap B150M/H110M +/- RM2200 for both option current hardware to be reuse SSD 256GB, PSU, monitor, casing, gpu also a few terabytes HDD. more on heavy editing images/videos less gaming |
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Jul 4 2016, 07:34 PM
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Jul 5 2016, 11:33 AM
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QUOTE(lo0se3r @ Jul 5 2016, 11:17 AM) Would the setup work with TV which I have Hisense 40-inch 40M2160 HD TV? What do I need if I am using TV as my monitor? Yes it will work, but don't sit too close to the TV, it will cause eyes strain overtime.Just wondering as I can save myself buying a monitor. Thanks again. Intel Core i5 6402P Asus H110M-K Corsair 8GB DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM Zotac GTX750Ti 2GB GDDR5 Single Fan FSP Hexa+ 450W Tecware F3 Logitech MK270R Wireless Combo |
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Jul 5 2016, 08:35 PM
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QUOTE(pjsplayez @ Jul 5 2016, 05:48 PM) guys,,, which option i should trigger? Since you have 1.4k, I suggest you to wait for the upcoming GTX1060, estimated price is around 1.4k so it fits nicely, rumors suggest it gonna pack with GTX980's performance, just compare with GTX1070's performance being so close or on par with Titan X/980Ti, GTX1060 won't be too far behind.1.buy new 380x 2.wait gtx 1060(any rumors of release date) 3.find used gtx970 or 980 budget around 1.4k already 2 week using intel Hd4600 |
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Jul 5 2016, 10:04 PM
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QUOTE(tritonite @ Jul 5 2016, 07:58 PM) Please provide an opinion of the relative merits of the following MATX motherboards for use in a mid-end gaming system... Three of them are using Skylake lowest end chispet, H110 so expect similar features offered.Asus H110M-K MSI H110M Pro-VH GIGABYTE GA-H110M-S2PV Both comes with 2 DIMM DDR4 RAM slots, all basic display I/O ports (Asus one provides all 3, VGA, DVI and HDMI), 4 SATA 3 ports, 1 PCIe 3.0 x16 etc. And Asus H110M-K does provide 1 USB Type-C port though, for high speed file transfer and charging for gadgets like Nexus 6P/5X, HTC 10, LG G5 etc. |
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Jul 6 2016, 10:43 AM
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QUOTE(maadamk @ Jul 6 2016, 01:26 AM) Hi guys , how do i build a maxed out pc for gaming , with budget of rm 3.5k and less ? "Maxed out" as in highest settings? Quite hard to fulfill with 3.5k, just try to lower down the settings accordingly to achieve stable 60 FPS.The most powerful pc i can build. I'm an engineering student so i might need to use it for engineering softwares aswell. Thanks! Edit- Im looking for a micro or mini atx build for easy transportation Rig only or full set (including monitor and other peripherals)? |
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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Jul 6 2016, 11:35 AM) I am thinking to get that h170 too, MSI brand. Since it has m.2 sata port which is useful for ssd plus faster pcie connection compared to h110. Do correct me if I am wrong. Thks Which H170? Gigabyte H170N-WiFi? If yes then go ahead, mITX mobo is more expensive than mATX/ATX and it is still within acceptable range, the cheapest Z170 mITX mobo costs nearly RM 700 here, the Gigabyte Z170N-Gaming 5.The M.2 slot (at the back, not the one in front for WiFi card) present on Gigabyte H170N-WiFi supports both SATA and PCIe based SSD, SATA based M.2 SSD is priced around the same of SATA SSD while PCIe SSD is going to cost you a bomb at the moment, if you don't plan to use this fancy feature, this can save you RM 200+ by going for H110. PCIe speed is same, both come with one PCIe 3.0 x16 only which supports NVMe SSD (boot disk). |
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