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Learn from costly mistakes of Sunway BRT, says Penang Institute

BY NOEL ACHARIAM

Published: 28 February 2016 7:01 AM

Penang Institute is questioning the manner in which the contract for the construction of the Sunway Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) project was awarded, and the way the system was designed, in a report entitled "The Sunway Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) Line: Lessons for The Future".

The report states that the choice of contractor had raised many questions in terms of conflict of interest and private sector "capture" of a public infrastructure project.

“The Sunway BRT line was officially launched by Prime Minister Najib Tun Razak on June 2, 2015. Costing a total of RM634 million – which averages out at RM117 million per km – the 5.4km elevated BRT line appears to be on the high end of the cost spectrum for BRT systems.


“The manner in which the design and contract of this BRT system was decided upon – via a direct negotiation public private partnership (PPP) contract – raises many questions in terms of conflict of interest and private sector ‘capture’ of a public infrastructure project," said the report.

The contract to build the elevated BRT line was awarded to Sunway Construction, a subsidiary of Sunway Bhd, which is the biggest beneficiary of the Sunway BRT line, which has many properties (already built and in the process of being built), businesses and educational institutions that is served by the Sunway BRT line”.


“The inclusion of Sunway Bhd as one of the stakeholders in this PPP project via its Corporate Social Responsibility contribution (15%), the partial funding of this PPP project via the Facilitation Fund (15%), which comes under the Public Private Partnership agency in the Prime Minister’s Department (otherwise known as UKAS), all point towards possible explanations for the decision to build the elevated BRT line at what seems to be a high cost.

“The private sector ‘capture’ of this PPP project is reflected in the naming of the BRT stations, whereby four out of the seven stations have ‘Sunway’, or an abbreviation of Sunway, in their names, and one station called 'South Quay' takes the name of one Sunway’s property developments.”

The report said the Sunway BRT had also set a poor precedent with its exorbitant fare structure averaging RM1 per km.


“According to the structure guidelines issued by the Land Public Transport Commission (SPAD), to travel the equivalent of 24km on a BRT line in Malaysia, one would have to pay RM10.

"For the proposed KL-Klang BRT line, a one-way journey of 34km would cost RM12.10. Do the math and the monthly expenditure on BRT fares will come up to RM484. This represents almost 54% of Malaysia’s legislated minimum wage figure of RM900, and will be a very significant expenditure indeed.”

The institute said the ludicrously high fee structure also calls into question the decision to build an elevated BRT and the process by which the contract was awarded.

“Were there any studies done by either UKAS, SPAD or Prasarana on the possible fare structure of the Sunway BRT Line? Did Prasarana have to finance the RM444 million of its share in the construction costs of the Sunway BRT, given that it was already in debt to the tune of RM13.91 billion at year end 2014?

“A one-way ticket from Sunway-Setia Jaya to USJ7 will cost RM5.40. By comparison, even after its fare revision in December 2015, it would only cost RM4 to travel from the Kelana Jaya LRT station to the KLCC LRT station. Taking the BRT costs significantly more than the toll rates on highways leading to KL, and will form a significant financial burden on those who rely heavily on public transport, such as the lower income group.”

The institute said students will also be among those affected, as they do not have an income.

“These exorbitant fares definitely have an impact on ridership, and have already contributed to low ridership figures compared with during the period of free rides, where it was normal for stations and buses to be packed.

"This does not bode well for the route’s original aim of reducing congestion in the Bandar Sunway area, as given the comparatively cheaper toll rates, people may choose to drive to and from Bandar Sunway instead.”

The institute said the decision to build the costly elevated BRT line, funded primarily by an already heavily indebted Prasarana (70%), could explain the decision to structure the fares of the BRT line at the exorbitant rate of RM1 per km.

“After a trial period of two months, in which the rides on the BRT Line were offered for free, the exorbitant fare structure caused a 63% drop in the average daily ridership when it was implemented in August 2015.

"The ridership recorded in August 2015 – 4,616 per day or 256 per hour – is approximately 11% of the initial projected ridership of 2,400 per hour."

The institute said Prasarana’s rationale for the fare structure, that it was impossible to cover the Sunway BRT operational cost at the current ridership rate, begs the question of how that would work out, given that ridership has drastically fallen since the introduction of the fares.

“Again, detailed breakdowns of the operational cost are unavailable, although we can speculate that the additional cost comes from the maintenance of the elevated bus lanes, lifts and escalators in all the elevated stations. One might also argue that the signalling system may be a substantial cost, but that is in fact a common feature in all BRT systems in the world. Therefore, the spotlight would mostly shine on the maintenance of the elevated infrastructures.”

The institute said attention now needed to be focused on the upcoming KL-Klang BRT line.

"The many lessons learnt from the Sunway BRT line need to be incorporated into future BRT lines in the country, starting with the approved but yet to be implemented 34km KL-Klang BRT line.

“A sum of RM1 billion was initially announced for this project in the 2016 budget. But up till now, there has been little additional information regarding the estimated cost for this project, the exact location of the 25 stations along the 34km line, the overall design and route alignment of the line, and the tender process to parcel out these contracts, just to name a few of the more crucial elements.

"And this is a project that is supposed to begin construction in the third quarter of the year and be completed by 2018!

"The lessons learnt from the Sunway BRT line must be incorporated into all aspects of the KL-Klang BRT system, including but not limited to the following, such as proper costing that is transparent for different BRT models; a BRT masterplan which integrates the planned stations with other public transport hubs and stations; open and competitive tender process for construction of various parcels of the BRT line; financing structure of the construction contract for the BRT line, including ownership of the physical infrastructure post construction; operation and management of the BRT line, including proposed fare structure based on financing and operational costs; and, inclusion of the local authorities of Selangor and KL among the stakeholders in planning for an integrated public transport network that is linked to the BRT line.”

The institute wished to know why the Subang Jaya Municipal Council was not given much say in the design and route alignment of the Sunway BRT line, which is in an area within its jurisdiction.

“We have to demand that our local authorities play a bigger role in the proposal of local transit solutions, because ultimately, they are more familiar with the locality than a federal agency. Certainly, it is easier to hold them accountable should they bow to corporate pressure on issues that concern public welfare, instead of the relatively distant federal agencies.

"The mistakes associated with the Sunway BRT line need to be avoided to enable the KL-Klang BRT line to be accessible, affordable, efficient and cost effective,” the report concluded.

The Sunway BRT line was built to relieve traffic congestion in Bandar Sunway and Subang Jaya, as well as to link the Sunway area to the KTM Komuter line via the Setia Jaya KTM station, and to the Kelana Jaya Line extension via the USJ 7 LRT station. – February 28, 2016.
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never learn from the monorail fiasco.. charge so high for fares.. who will wanna pay...
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If there is a need, people still have to pay.
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post Mar 2 2016, 10:57 AM

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Project intention was nice initially. But when you added on cronies and songlap.....
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post Mar 2 2016, 11:00 AM

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Do people ride the BRT?
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BRT is nice, comfy but fare is high as fuark which makes driving to those places seems almost cost the same
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said brt cheaper alternative for lrt

end up more expansive
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BRT project is good. the problem is the fare. who the fuck wants to pay that high when pay for taxi might be a cheaper option.

I foresee similar thing to happen with MRT and LRT extensions. Who knows how much they will charge us later. It is stupid business decision. How do they even want to get back their money when people dont even bother to use it.
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Fare high ss fuark. Rarely see more than 10 people in the bus at 1 time.
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I dont even know anyone who uses brt
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project meant for poor rider

but

ticket for rich lol
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post Mar 2 2016, 11:07 AM

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Kesian Prasarana. So much debt.

How to tanggung?

Oh wai......
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It means they never do a proper study before they approved the project.

Charging so high fare but expect ridership to be high as well?
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fuck 1, from sunway to mentari RM1.60 1 way.

if you go further to other place may cost you up RM5+

not pergi beli toto, i lazy take this

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They are going to make sure they are the cheapest in the next few years to come, by increasing the fare for the rest of alternatives.

Habislah rakyat.
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fares so expensive, operating cost so high meh need to charge that high.
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Songlap kuat and charge rakyat kuat...
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rarely go sunway so not really affected by it
but if those taking it daily will feel the pinch
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sunway BRT is good but poor poor execution..who the hell gave the idea for the fare???..moron!
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QUOTE(LivingActive @ Mar 2 2016, 11:06 AM)
project meant for poor rider

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ticket for rich lol
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Sunway got poor folks meh? Takde wang, mana boleh pindah masuk Sunway? sweat.gif
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QUOTE(s3iryu @ Mar 2 2016, 11:02 AM)
BRT is nice, comfy but fare is high as fuark which makes driving to those places seems almost cost the same
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driving there is sure more cheaper.
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Sunway got poor folks meh? Takde wang, mana boleh pindah masuk Sunway? sweat.gif
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mentari court there got low cost flat
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It means they never do a proper study before they approved the project.

Charging so high fare but expect ridership to be high as well?
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Who the heck want to use if they charge so high? Public Transportation is for public. So the price also need to be reasonable and benefit to the public.


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for a mere distance...it's indeed bapak mahaaaaaal...
but very time saving...

if only they could lower the fare to a reasonable amount, songlap culture is still strong nonetheless...
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I think the biggest group that benefited from this are the residents of Mentari Court. 1 station reach Sunway Pyramid.
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Sunway Lagoon station still need to walk 300 meters from station to Pyramid
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Link has infographics

http://www.themalaysianoutsider.com/cityne...nstitute-report

Learn from costly mistakes of Sunway BRT, says Penang Institute

BY NOEL ACHARIAM

Published: 28 February 2016 7:01 AM

Penang Institute is questioning the manner in which the contract for the construction of the Sunway Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) project was awarded, and the way the system was designed, in a report entitled "The Sunway Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) Line: Lessons for The Future".

The report states that the choice of contractor had raised many questions in terms of conflict of interest and private sector "capture" of a public infrastructure project.

“The Sunway BRT line was officially launched by Prime Minister Najib Tun Razak on June 2, 2015. Costing a total of RM634 million – which averages out at RM117 million per km – the 5.4km elevated BRT line appears to be on the high end of the cost spectrum for BRT systems.


“The manner in which the design and contract of this BRT system was decided upon – via a direct negotiation public private partnership (PPP) contract – raises many questions in terms of conflict of interest and private sector ‘capture’ of a public infrastructure project," said the report.

The contract to build the elevated BRT line was awarded to Sunway Construction, a subsidiary of Sunway Bhd, which is the biggest beneficiary of the Sunway BRT line, which has many properties (already built and in the process of being built), businesses and educational institutions that is served by the Sunway BRT line”.


“The inclusion of Sunway Bhd as one of the stakeholders in this PPP  project via its Corporate Social Responsibility contribution (15%), the partial funding of this PPP project via the Facilitation Fund (15%), which comes under the Public Private Partnership agency in the Prime Minister’s Department (otherwise known as UKAS), all point towards possible explanations for the decision to build the elevated BRT line at what seems to be a high cost.

“The private sector ‘capture’ of this PPP project is reflected in the naming of the BRT stations, whereby four out of the seven stations have  ‘Sunway’, or an abbreviation of Sunway, in their names, and one station called 'South Quay' takes the name of one Sunway’s property developments.”

The report said the Sunway BRT had also set a poor precedent with its exorbitant fare structure averaging RM1 per km.


“According to the structure guidelines issued by the Land Public Transport Commission (SPAD), to travel the equivalent of 24km on a BRT line in Malaysia, one would have to pay RM10.

"For the proposed KL-Klang BRT line, a one-way journey of 34km would cost RM12.10.  Do the math and the monthly expenditure on BRT fares will come up to RM484. This represents almost 54% of Malaysia’s legislated minimum wage figure of RM900, and will be a very significant expenditure indeed.”

The institute said the ludicrously high fee structure also calls into question the decision to build an elevated BRT and the process by which the contract was awarded.

“Were there any studies done by either UKAS, SPAD or Prasarana on the possible fare structure of the Sunway BRT Line? Did Prasarana have to finance the RM444 million of its share in the construction costs of the Sunway BRT, given that it was already in debt to the tune of RM13.91 billion at year end 2014?

“A one-way ticket from Sunway-Setia Jaya to USJ7 will cost RM5.40. By comparison, even after its fare revision in December 2015, it would only cost RM4 to travel from the Kelana Jaya LRT station to the KLCC LRT station. Taking the BRT costs significantly more than the toll rates on highways leading to KL, and will form a significant financial burden on those who rely heavily on public transport, such as the lower income group.”

The institute said students will also be among those affected, as they do not have an income.

“These exorbitant fares definitely have an impact on ridership, and have already contributed to low ridership figures compared with during the period of free rides, where it was normal for stations and buses to be packed.

"This does not bode well for the route’s original aim of reducing congestion in the Bandar Sunway area, as given the comparatively cheaper toll rates, people may choose to drive to and from Bandar Sunway instead.”

The institute said the decision to build the costly elevated BRT line, funded primarily by an already heavily indebted Prasarana (70%), could explain the decision to structure the fares of the BRT line at the exorbitant rate of RM1 per km.

“After a trial period of two months, in which the rides on the BRT Line were offered for free, the exorbitant fare structure caused a 63% drop in the average daily ridership when it was implemented in August 2015.

"The ridership recorded in August 2015 – 4,616 per day or 256 per hour – is approximately 11% of the initial projected ridership of 2,400 per hour."

The institute said Prasarana’s rationale for the fare structure, that it was impossible to cover the Sunway BRT operational cost at the current ridership rate, begs the question of how that would work out,  given that ridership has drastically fallen since the introduction of the fares.

“Again, detailed breakdowns of the operational cost are unavailable, although we can speculate that the additional cost comes from the maintenance of the elevated bus lanes, lifts and escalators in all the elevated stations. One might also argue that the signalling system may be a substantial cost, but that is in fact a common feature in all BRT systems in the world. Therefore, the spotlight would mostly shine on the maintenance of the elevated infrastructures.”

The institute said attention now needed to be focused on the upcoming KL-Klang BRT line.

"The many lessons learnt from the Sunway BRT line need to be incorporated into future BRT lines in the country, starting with the approved but yet to be implemented 34km KL-Klang BRT line.

“A sum of RM1 billion was initially announced for this project in the 2016 budget. But up till now, there has been little additional information regarding the estimated cost for this project, the exact location of the 25 stations along the 34km line, the overall design and route alignment of the line, and the tender process to parcel out these contracts, just to name a few of the more crucial elements.

"And this is a project that is supposed to begin construction in the third quarter of the year and be completed by 2018!

"The lessons learnt from the Sunway BRT line must be incorporated into all aspects of the KL-Klang BRT system, including but not limited to the following, such as proper costing that is transparent for different BRT models; a BRT masterplan which integrates the planned stations with other public transport hubs and stations; open and competitive tender process for construction of various parcels of the BRT line;  financing structure of the construction contract for the BRT line, including ownership of the physical infrastructure post construction; operation and management of the BRT line, including proposed fare structure based on financing and operational costs;  and, inclusion of the local authorities of Selangor and KL among the stakeholders in planning for an integrated public transport network that is linked to the BRT line.”

The institute wished to know why the Subang Jaya Municipal Council was not given much say in the design and route alignment of the Sunway BRT line, which is in an area within its jurisdiction.

“We have to demand that our local authorities play a bigger role in the proposal of local transit solutions, because ultimately, they are more familiar with the locality than a federal agency. Certainly, it is easier to hold them accountable should they bow to corporate pressure on issues that concern public welfare, instead of the relatively distant federal agencies.

"The mistakes associated with the Sunway BRT line need to be avoided to enable the KL-Klang BRT line to be accessible, affordable, efficient and cost effective,” the report concluded.

The Sunway BRT line was built to relieve traffic congestion in Bandar Sunway and Subang Jaya, as well as to link the Sunway area to the KTM Komuter line via the Setia Jaya KTM station, and to the Kelana Jaya Line extension via the USJ 7 LRT station. – February 28, 2016.
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Problem is all about connectivity and current infra. If BRT can connect with Kelana Jaya LRT, conlanfirm good business.
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+1.

Connectivity failed.

FMHO if connect directly to Puchong should be good.
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QUOTE(Hi! @ Mar 2 2016, 11:27 AM)
Problem is all about connectivity and current infra. If BRT can connect with Kelana Jaya LRT, conlanfirm good business.
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brt will connect with kelana jaya line at ss7 once it finish.
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I think the biggest group that benefited from this are the residents of Mentari Court. 1 station reach Sunway Pyramid.
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Actually no. The one most beneficial is the students going to Monash or Sunway University. Because that's the place I see most people get up and down.


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brt is a stupid project... the LRT line can actually serve that area to save cost.
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Mar 2 2016, 12:24 PM)
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Connectivity failed.

FMHO if connect directly to Puchong should be good.
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Unfortunately they can't. That's because the bus lane will have to go through open tin mine lands before reaching Puchong station. Not a very safe option.
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QUOTE(juicyliana @ Mar 2 2016, 02:18 PM)
brt is a stupid project... the LRT line can actually serve that area to save cost.
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The story I heard was there will be only one LRT station at Bandar Sunway (most likely beside Sunway Pyramid). Therefore Jeffery Cheah decided to build BRT instead.
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The sole purpose is to songlap

Money already in pocket

Who cares about ridership
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if they let the lrt to pass from puchong to sunway, there are much more benefits... jam can be reduced, the money for brt can be used for something else... oh wai..


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idea good..
but fare structure not very good..
i live in pjs 10 which is in Bandar Sunway..
never had a chance to take BRT
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If there is a need, people still have to pay.
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QUOTE(Wassupman @ Mar 2 2016, 02:30 PM)
if they let the lrt to pass from puchong to sunway, there are much more benefits... jam can be reduced, the money for brt can be used for something else... oh wai..
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Stupid swy brt.... other contry brt is real.... it is precurspr to elevated LRT

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QUOTE(yeelong @ Mar 2 2016, 11:57 AM)
Project intention was nice initially. But when you added on cronies and songlap.....
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Whos? The project itself under private..how can mah..

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No Public transport in the world make profit... They rely heavily on gomen subsidies to survive... It is gomen duty to keep public transport affordable and connecting business n people easier... But in Malaysia... It's an luxury... They expect to make money from public transport.. Set an roi of 5-10 years which is ridiculous..
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LDP boss not happy
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tulah... mentality dah salah... should it benefiting the people or the bosses???
seriously.. angry thinking about it...
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erm wasn't sunway the one that paid for this and then pass it to pasarana to maintain?

they do this as a mock up on a bigger scale BRT
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QUOTE(Wassupman @ Mar 2 2016, 02:30 PM)
if they let the lrt to pass from puchong to sunway, there are much more benefits... jam can be reduced, the money for brt can be used for something else... oh wai..
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puchong much more population & density need LRT
Sunway no have space to built extra LRT depot.
also
In Putra hight station LRT Kelanajaya and LRT ampang will share Depot.
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Mar 2 2016, 04:35 PM)
puchong much more population & density need LRT
Sunway no have space to built extra LRT depot.
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In Putra hight station LRT Kelanajaya and LRT ampang will share Depot.
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but they have space to built brt? honestly is an excuse and im sure they can find some space near the extreme park there as well.
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erm wasn't sunway the one that paid for this and then pass it to pasarana to maintain?

they do this as a mock up on a bigger scale BRT
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I believe pasarana/rapidKL will take over the ownership.
single line public transport always failed at beginning, most importance public transport it network.
Sunway BRT will get benefit after LRT extention open in June, integration will be in SS7,
also integrated with in plan Federal BRT.
Sunway BRT also can consider expansion link to LRT IOI Puchong & Icon City

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but they have space to built brt? honestly is an excuse and im sure they can find some space near the extreme park there as well.
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BRT just bus, only 12 meter , just need a bus parking size space,
BRT just electric bus, it so much silent than approval using in BRT in route, no need to meet environment rule.
but LRT totally different, you can use Google map,see out LRT depot size in Ampang, Putra high, it need at lease 300-400 meter long space.
it you also can see extreme park surrounding by building, how LRT have route to go in extrame park? with big space? you also need meet minimum rail tuning curve 130 meter LRT route our road must have space enough for LRT, Viaduct need at lease minimum 10 meter to nearby buiding/house due to noisy。
i can say almost not getting approval from local gov & gov.
so many technical & Environment & design & Space requirement to meet to built LRT。

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Mar 2 2016, 05:03 PM)
BRT just bus, only 12 meter , just need a bus parking size space,
BRT just electric bus, it so much silent than approval using in BRT in route, no need to meet environment rule.
but LRT totally different,  you can use Google map,see out LRT depot size in Ampang, Putra high, it need at lease 300-400 meter long space.
it you also can see extreme park surrounding by building, how LRT have route to go in extrame park? with big space? you also need meet minimum rail tuning curve 130 meter LRT route our road must have space enough for LRT, Viaduct need at lease minimum 10 meter to nearby buiding/house due to noisy。
i can say almost not getting approval from local gov & gov.
so many technical & Environment & design & Space requirement to meet to built LRT。
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where is your malaysia apa pun boleh spirit? petrol station can even be approved to be built next to toll. how is that even can be approved? so go figure...
i really dont believe there are no land in sunway. just see for yourself.

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where is your malaysia apa pun boleh spirit? petrol station can even be approved to be built next to toll. how is that even can be approved? so go figure...
i really dont believe there are no land in sunway. just see for yourself.

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simple, because noisy, Petrol station station no noisy just car/bus/lory in and out.
LRT will have 70+ db noisy sound went rail pass it, although can install sound insulation, but still have small noisy,
and close to house will get may objection from residency, than will involved politician will easy become politic issue.
you may see example Puchong BK3 objection/complaint on LRT, until LRT station cancel at there.

you circle 3 place so small, how to built depot?

1) only 250-300 meter long ? can demolish Theme Park? demolish some commercial high raise building there for LRT viaduct route to there? some is hospital, school, (belong to Sunway group)

2) center 1, is Sunway NEO mix development in construction

3)wrigh small 1 only can fit bus i think.

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never learn from the monorail fiasco.. charge so high for fares.. who will wanna pay...
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Mar 2 2016, 06:03 PM)
simple, because noisy, Petrol station station no noisy just car/bus/lory in and out.
LRT  will have 70+ db noisy sound went rail pass it, although can install sound insulation, but still have small noisy,
and close to house will get may objection from residency, than will involved  politician will easy become politic issue.
you may see example Puchong BK3 objection/complaint on LRT, until LRT station cancel at there.

you circle 3 place so small, how to built depot? 

1) only 250-300 meter long ? can demolish Theme Park?  demolish some commercial high raise building there  for LRT viaduct route to there? some is hospital, school, (belong to Sunway group)

2) center 1, is Sunway NEO mix development in construction

3)wrigh small 1 only can fit bus i think.
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What fiasco.. do you know how crowded the monorail is every day lol.
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QUOTE(Wassupman @ Mar 2 2016, 02:30 PM)
if they let the lrt to pass from puchong to sunway, there are much more benefits... jam can be reduced, the money for brt can be used for something else... oh wai..
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$ rules bro

LITRAK sure already make noise about this plan
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Whos? The project itself under private..how can mah..
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRT_Sunway_Line

BRT Sunway costs RM634 million and is 70% funded by Prasarana, 15% by Sunway Bhd and the rest by Unit Kerjasama Awam Swasta (UKAS), a facilitation fund

The contract to build the elevated BRT line was awarded to Sunway Construction, a subsidiary of Sunway Bhd, which is the biggest beneficiary of the Sunway BRT line, which has many properties (already built and in the process of being built), businesses and educational institutions that is served by the Sunway BRT line”.

You do the maths please.

Who gained the most from this project?

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Unfortunately they can't. That's because the bus lane will have to go through open tin mine lands before reaching Puchong station. Not a very safe option.
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$ rules. actually FMHO Sunway Grp make most $ from the construction of the BRT itself.

I don't think they care much about the connectivity.


BRT Sunway costs RM634 million and is 70% funded by Prasarana, 15% by Sunway Bhd and the rest by Unit Kerjasama Awam Swasta (UKAS), a facilitation fund

The contract to build the elevated BRT line was awarded to Sunway Construction, a subsidiary of Sunway Bhd, which is the biggest beneficiary of the Sunway BRT line, which has many properties (already built and in the process of being built), businesses and educational institutions that is served by the Sunway BRT line”.
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I believe pasarana/rapidKL will take over the ownership.
single line public transport always failed at beginning, most importance public transport it network.
Sunway BRT will get benefit after LRT extention open in June, integration will be in SS7,
also integrated with in plan Federal BRT.
Sunway BRT also can consider expansion link to LRT IOI Puchong & Icon City
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best thing is, it will stop at seri setia KTM station. and not at kelana jaya LRT station.

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so if you wanna take lrt to kl, you have to stop at USJ 7 station

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until now I don't understand why no lrt straight to sunway pyramid

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simple, because noisy, Petrol station station no noisy just car/bus/lory in and out.
LRT  will have 70+ db noisy sound went rail pass it, although can install sound insulation, but still have small noisy,
and close to house will get may objection from residency, than will involved  politician will easy become politic issue.

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my place , Putra Heights, station 11 ( alam megah ) and station 12 (subang alam) , both the stations are just beside The Glades

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you can have a look here in Google Maps Street View
https://www.google.com/maps/@3.0077373,101....3312!8i6656

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So imagine paid so much for the house ( which is more than RM 2 M now ) and got LRT and all kind of noise behind your house.
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So that caused high fare due to BRT cost RM117million/km

Let's see how much the fare going to be for KVMRT that cost RM450million/km

Good luck
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lol. to KLshould cost more than RM 10 per journey then
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Mar 2 2016, 08:52 PM)
my place , Putra Heights, station 11 ( alam megah ) and station 12 (subang alam) , both the stations are just beside The Glades

user posted image

you can have a look here in Google Maps Street View
https://www.google.com/maps/@3.0077373,101....3312!8i6656

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So imagine paid so much for the house ( which is more than RM 2 M now ) and got LRT and all kind of noise behind your house.
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u more noisy than lrt
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u more noisy than lrt
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Mar 2 2016, 08:52 PM)
my place , Putra Heights, station 11 ( alam megah ) and station 12 (subang alam) , both the stations are just beside The Glades

user posted image

you can have a look here in Google Maps Street View
https://www.google.com/maps/@3.0077373,101....3312!8i6656

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So imagine paid so much for the house ( which is more than RM 2 M now ) and got LRT and all kind of noise behind your house.
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it calculate to windows of your house ... not gates.
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it calculate to windows of your house ... not gates.
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Pity those homeowners lah.
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Kesian Prasarana.  So much debt. 

How to tanggung? 

Oh wai......
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my place , Putra Heights, station 11 ( alam megah ) and station 12 (subang alam) , both the stations are just beside The Glades

user posted image

you can have a look here in Google Maps Street View
https://www.google.com/maps/@3.0077373,101....3312!8i6656

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So imagine paid so much for the house ( which is more than RM 2 M now ) and got LRT and all kind of noise behind your house.
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I love glades.. haha tongue.gif
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I love glades.. haha  tongue.gif
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A very nice and serene place actually. You PH residents also bro?
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Pity those homeowners lah.
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for sure, that why Prasarana plan LRT/MRT Route more wide road, if no choice than will buy/equitation over those house/land
most or problem built public transport system is we our city planning in 1960-2000 most place never reserve land in road for public transport system like rail in big city. so many place we can't built LRT/MRT due to lack of space.
our "point & point" city/housing development calture is bad for public transport system implement and hard to get profit and ridership.

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Mar 2 2016, 10:14 PM)
for sure, that why Prasarana plan LRT/MRT Route more wide road, if no choice than will buy/equitation over those house/land 
most or problem built public transport system is we our city planning in 1960-2000 most place never reserve land in road for public transport system like rail in big city. so many place we can built LRT/MRT due to lack of space.   
our "point & point"  city/housing development calture is bad for public transport system implement and hard to get profit and ridership.
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QUOTE(maraippo @ Mar 2 2016, 11:03 AM)
BRT project is good. the problem is the fare. who the fuck wants to pay that high when pay for taxi might be a cheaper option.

I foresee similar thing to happen with MRT and LRT extensions. Who knows how much they will charge us later. It is stupid business decision. How do they even want to get back their money when people dont even bother to use it.
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LRT extension price already published in new fare on LRT websites... you may find all station fare there... and it is not so high... from my house (putra heights) to KLCC around RM5.60 which is if not mistaken around 22-24 station....(13 extension + maybe 10 station from kelana jaya to klcc... not remember)

and also you may find the new fare calculation sometimes very odd... for example,monorel kl sentral to imbi will be 3.2, but to bukit bintang is 2.50... this is due to base fare(which is fixed) and kilometer bracket like 1-5km is rm0.125/km 5.1-10km is rm0.112/km...only know about this at ktm station...this is applied to all rail system except klia express

for BRT, only using when free riding only...
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A very nice and serene place actually. You PH residents also bro?
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Let's just say I used to go there tongue.gif tongue.gif

Yea.. you are staying in PH or in The Glades itself? haha
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LRT extension price already published in new fare on LRT websites... you may find all station fare there... and it is not so high... from my house (putra heights) to KLCC around RM5.60 which is if not mistaken around 22-24 station....(13 extension + maybe 10 station from kelana jaya to klcc... not remember)

and also you may find the new fare calculation sometimes very odd... for example,monorel kl sentral to imbi will be 3.2, but to bukit bintang is 2.50... this is due to base fare(which is fixed) and kilometer bracket like 1-5km is rm0.125/km 5.1-10km is rm0.112/km...only know about this at ktm station...this is applied to all rail system except klia express

for BRT, only using when free riding only...
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http://www.myrapid.com.my/deals/promotions...norail-services

Rm 4.80 bro from PH to KLCC via KJ Line per journey . correct me if I am wrong.

single rider ok lah.
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Let's just say I used to go there tongue.gif tongue.gif

Yea.. you are staying in PH or in The Glades itself? haha
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QUOTE(starcian @ Mar 2 2016, 08:52 PM)
So that caused high fare due to BRT cost RM117million/km
Let's see how much the fare going to be for KVMRT that cost RM450million/km
Good luck
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Mar 2 2016, 09:07 PM)
lol. to KLshould cost more than RM 10 per journey then
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can't compare Bus with rail service.
if follow recently LRT fare increasing news, RapidKL already said MRT will follow rate as LRT base on distant.
if 51KM, end-to end expected around RM6-7. but most people will take half way means to KL mostly, cost around RM3-4
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this building is built after Monorail is complate, just like Kerinchi Station people already know & accept it
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All the while I thought the BRT project was funded by Sunway group themselves. Really fucuk, why the heck federal governement spend so much for the fucuk BRT for the Sunway group. The whole design is meant for the convenient of Sunway group and to put money into their pocket.
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All the while I thought the BRT project was funded by Sunway group themselves. Really fucuk, why the heck federal governement spend so much for the fucuk BRT for the Sunway group. The whole design is meant for the convenient of Sunway group and to put money into their pocket.
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best kan?
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634M for this fucuk project, just so Jeffrey Cheah can charge more tuition fees to his students and his new property development.
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eh no i work near USj and i've never seen bus on this BRT before. didn't know its open already.
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Mar 2 2016, 10:27 PM)
this building is built after Monorail is complate, just like Kerinchi Station people already know & accept it
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but its still a good idea to renovate building and make a station in it...
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QUOTE(Zi-Tech @ Mar 2 2016, 10:16 PM)
LRT extension price already published in new fare on LRT websites... you may find all station fare there... and it is not so high... from my house (putra heights) to KLCC around RM5.60 which is if not mistaken around 22-24 station....(13 extension + maybe 10 station from kelana jaya to klcc... not remember)

and also you may find the new fare calculation sometimes very odd... for example,monorel kl sentral to imbi will be 3.2, but to bukit bintang is 2.50... this is due to base fare(which is fixed) and kilometer bracket like 1-5km is rm0.125/km 5.1-10km is rm0.112/km...only know about this at ktm station...this is applied to all rail system except klia express

for BRT, only using when free riding only...
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Nice. If its like that, its dirt cheap. 5.60 can avoid jam, toll, parking and spend time in coach doing something else
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634M for this fucuk project, just so Jeffrey Cheah can charge more tuition fees to his students and his new property development.
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He is, after all, a businessman.

haih.

if he didn't do it. somebody else will do it.

I still remember Sunway's so called mini monorail, IIRC the service was discontinued in early 2000s

http://www.funnymalaysia.net/11-facts-abou...-petaling-jaya/

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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Mar 2 2016, 10:21 PM)
http://www.myrapid.com.my/deals/promotions...norail-services

Rm 4.80 bro from PH to KLCC via KJ Line per journey . correct me if I am wrong.

single rider ok lah.
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yup... 4.80... maybe sebelum ni salah line tengok... hahaha maklumlah table dia besar sangat... nak zoom satu2...hehehe okla return only less than rm10 compare to use car, fuel, toll, parking... more than rm50...
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I think there are no mistakes for this project except for the crazy high fare. I hope they proceed with BRT klang - KL soon.
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A highly political statements disguised as an analytical reports for the consumption of gullible idiots.

1)We can go see the details and rendering of klang BRT from SPAD website, we can also see their overall plan in KVURDP

2) The klang BRT is at grade and aren't elevated stations, a fair report who designed as a intellectual piece would never "accidentally" miss that. What kind of idiots compared and try to implied similarly in cost and fares structure for 2 completely different system.

3)The LRT station connection to the BRT system which would be it main feeders aren't open yet. How can it be a failure when it hasn't been finished yet? Shouldn't they wait till the line open this year to make such an assessment and claims?

4) shouldn't a propaganda pieces be written and paid for by the party itself than putting it under the government where tax payers money and land is used to paid for stuff like this?

It's good to mention prasarana debts, should Also mention of 27 billions commitments for the penang lrt project that is sign few months before such an action be illegal under federal law which would limit direct nego contact to under 300 millions?

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QUOTE(psycho1 @ Mar 2 2016, 10:41 PM)
All the while I thought the BRT project was funded by Sunway group themselves. Really fucuk, why the heck federal governement spend so much for the fucuk BRT for the Sunway group. The whole design is meant for the convenient of Sunway group and to put money into their pocket.
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Not u alone.. Most of Malaysian think the same.. sad.gif

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Mar 4 2016, 06:27 AM)
A highly political statements disguised as an analytical reports for the consumption of gullible idiots.

1)We can go see the details and rendering of klang BRT from SPAD website, we can also see their overall plan in KVURDP

2) The klang BRT is at grade and aren't elevated stations, a fair report who designed as a intellectual piece would never "accidentally" miss that. What kind of idiots compared and try to implied similarly in cost and fares structure for 2 completely different system.

3)The LRT station connection to the BRT system which would be it main feeders aren't open yet. How can it be a failure when it hasn't been finished yet? Shouldn't they wait till the line open this year to make such an assessment and claims?

4) shouldn't a propaganda pieces be written and paid for by the party itself than putting it under the government where tax payers money and land is used to paid for stuff like this?

It's good to mention prasarana debts, should Also  mention of 27 billions commitments for the penang lrt project that is sign few months before such an action be illegal under federal law which would limit direct nego contact to under 300 millions?
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post Mar 4 2016, 07:27 AM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Mar 4 2016, 06:27 AM)
A highly political statements disguised as an analytical reports for the consumption of gullible idiots.

1)We can go see the details and rendering of klang BRT from SPAD website, we can also see their overall plan in KVURDP

2) The klang BRT is at grade and aren't elevated stations, a fair report who designed as a intellectual piece would never "accidentally" miss that. What kind of idiots compared and try to implied similarly in cost and fares structure for 2 completely different system.

3)The LRT station connection to the BRT system which would be it main feeders aren't open yet. How can it be a failure when it hasn't been finished yet? Shouldn't they wait till the line open this year to make such an assessment and claims?

4) shouldn't a propaganda pieces be written and paid for by the party itself than putting it under the government where tax payers money and land is used to paid for stuff like this?

It's good to mention prasarana debts, should Also  mention of 27 billions commitments for the penang lrt project that is sign few months before such an action be illegal under federal law which would limit direct nego contact to under 300 millions?
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Did u download and read the full 26 page report? The report is written by a non partisan member and is all about BRT systems, has nothing to do with DAP's songlap projects

By the way, the report mentions Lowyat forum as well in its opening pages haha

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QUOTE(Zi-Tech @ Mar 4 2016, 12:45 AM)
yup... 4.80... maybe sebelum ni salah line tengok... hahaha maklumlah table dia besar sangat... nak zoom satu2...hehehe okla return only less than rm10 compare to use car, fuel, toll, parking... more than rm50...
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Rm50?

You drive a ferrari?
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QUOTE(Zi-Tech @ Mar 4 2016, 12:45 AM)
yup... 4.80... maybe sebelum ni salah line tengok... hahaha maklumlah table dia besar sangat... nak zoom satu2...hehehe okla return only less than rm10 compare to use car, fuel, toll, parking... more than rm50...
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if single person ok lah can save a bit

but bring the whole family, I think I better drive my barge
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Rm50?

You drive a ferrari?
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Mar 4 2016, 06:27 AM)
A highly political statements disguised as an analytical reports for the consumption of gullible idiots.

1)We can go see the details and rendering of klang BRT from SPAD website, we can also see their overall plan in KVURDP

2) The klang BRT is at grade and aren't elevated stations, a fair report who designed as a intellectual piece would never "accidentally" miss that. What kind of idiots compared and try to implied similarly in cost and fares structure for 2 completely different system.

3)The LRT station connection to the BRT system which would be it main feeders aren't open yet. How can it be a failure when it hasn't been finished yet? Shouldn't they wait till the line open this year to make such an assessment and claims?

4) shouldn't a propaganda pieces be written and paid for by the party itself than putting it under the government where tax payers money and land is used to paid for stuff like this?

It's good to mention prasarana debts, should Also  mention of 27 billions commitments for the penang lrt project that is sign few months before such an action be illegal under federal law which would limit direct nego contact to under 300 millions?
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the report use facts and figures to prove yet you come up with willy-nilly statement without substance.....go back and study more how to be a kibod warrior la

simple fact is high fee cause poor ridership so cannot cover the cost; did the policymakers run a feasibility studies prior to determining the cost & fare structures ?

will it be another songlap project? can put giant white elephant on the stations later if ridership remain low
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post Mar 4 2016, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(Vape On @ Mar 4 2016, 07:36 AM)
Rm50?

You drive a ferrari?
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kan cakap kos keseluruhan... and the cost is more on parking.... klcc parking ingat rate 1 jam rm2 ke???

dulu pegi pc fair pun parking 3 jam da rm12...sekarang tak tahulah...

lowyat pun sekarang rate rm2.7 sejam...
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QUOTE(quad @ Mar 4 2016, 10:57 AM)
the report use facts and figures to prove yet you come up with willy-nilly statement without substance.....go back and study more how to be a kibod warrior la

simple fact is high fee cause poor ridership so cannot cover the cost; did the policymakers run a feasibility studies prior to determining the cost & fare structures ?

will it be another songlap project? can put giant white elephant on the stations later if ridership remain low
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Well i did said its for the consumption of idiots.
So congratulations laugh.gif

P.s facts and figures can also be used to influence idiots

http://youtu.be/8B271L3NtAw
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QUOTE(maraippo @ Mar 2 2016, 11:03 AM)
BRT project is good. the problem is the fare. who the fuck wants to pay that high when pay for taxi might be a cheaper option.

I foresee similar thing to happen with MRT and LRT extensions. Who knows how much they will charge us later. It is stupid business decision. How do they even want to get back their money when people dont even bother to use it.
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QUOTE(spacelion @ Mar 2 2016, 11:20 PM)
eh no i work near USj and i've never seen bus on this BRT before. didn't know its open already.
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Now are you using???
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post Dec 14 2018, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(PLOUFFLE @ Dec 14 2018, 09:52 AM)
Now are you using???
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post Dec 14 2018, 10:26 AM

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i dont work near USJ anymore though  icon_idea.gif
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Was it under utilized? rarely seen ppl taking it
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QUOTE(yeelong @ Mar 2 2016, 10:57 AM)
Project intention was nice initially. But when you added on cronies and songlap.....
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Study what so much, just say because of corruption. Giver = Sunway Group, Taker = Najib and Co.


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Now where are the NGO's in Penang who keep objecting the LRT masterplan and suggest BRT instead
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BRT is too xpensive for public transport

 

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