Malaysians are destroying the country with the Foreign Workers issue.

1st they want everything cheap, cheap food, cheap services, cheap houses, but to make these cheaper businessman have to reduce cost, and labor cost plays a big portion in the month expenses.

Then Malaysians themselves want High Salary, then don't want work in low class jobs, so who work in the kitchen? You think food cook themselves and fly to your tables on your own? Then when people hire local, say their price too expensive not worth it boycott go Mamak eat cheaper.

With less & less locals willing to work lower tier jobs, the demand for low tier workers increase, and since locals not willing to take the jobs, how? have to bring in from other countries, JUST LIKE SINGAPORE.

you think another 1.5million bangglas is alot? it's alot when you put them in a taman, but you count just F&B how many outlets are there just in KL? Assuming 1 outlet need 10 workers, you think 1mil is sufficient for whole Malaysia? Don't forget construction sites needs even more workers. Last time Indonesians work in the industry but now their rates has gone up contractors have no choice, Banggla workers offers the best rates now, Myanmar, Viet & Pinoys are considered expensive and they rather work in Singapore or Hong Kong.

just because people turn the issue into political issue, everyone starts shouting about Foreigner Workers issues.

now everywhere also spot check foreign workers, soon the availability for foreign workers will drop, as demand increases, business have no choice but to pay higher salary to them, and in turn, consumers have to bear the added cost, so what you will see in near future is even further price hikes on everything involving low tier worker inputs. and by canceling the addition 1.5mil work force, and existing foreign workers permit expires, demand for low tier workers will soar. And since Malaysians dislike Bangglas so much, government have to go for alternatives like PRC/Viet/Pinoy/Indons which are much more expensive, and doesn't mean they won't bring in less problems.

if you don't want foreigners to invade your country, you have to take up the local jobs la, or you expect Malaysia to hire foreigners to fill up the armed forces and defend our country should war happens?

want cheap, but don't want work, want higher salary, you do know you are contradicting yourselves?

Tldr

Don't spread bullshit la... foreign worker is not about people wanting things cheap. It is about business want to maximize profit.

every developing nations were built upon cheap labor. the american have the irish, we have the banglas and indons.

I second you bro. I feel that sometimes Malaysian go againts gov just because. No solid reason. Oppositions know it is needed but it is an easy bullet.

Publications are act opposition sympathizers. They then report news to cultivate hate towards foreigners.

The contract of bringing them in, thats a separate issue. Wanna fight that. GO all the way.

Ignorant cunt

No body will complaint if the minister import in sexy latina or russians, eastern european to work here.

Malaysian needs to breed more, period

Don't need to fund their future studies, just let them grow up and they'll eventually settle for blue collar jobs.

So who wants to go first?

Or maybe import Japan's robots and SG's return your own tray campaign.

Or push hard to bring in driverless cars, bus and trucks, then current drivers go fill up vacant positions.

Need banglas for all this meh?

Nothing to counter argument. So go for name calling. Nice.

Being concerned about the number of foreigners is ok.

Being anti-foreigner like how a lot of people are behaving now is shameful.

still a great way to get your voices heard.

People in SG reaaaaally hate the Pinoys, PRCs and Indian expats, that includes my GF.

Now the young SG citizens are forced to migrate elsewhere, thanks to PAP.

And then the remaining ones will gradually behave just like rowdy Hong Kongers.

It's a vicious cycle.

oink oink u capitalist pig

yup, blame foreigners. senang sje.

You give the wrong message and ended up getting the wrong response from the government.

Yeah SG don't mind Malaysians (cultural and language are similar). Just that they don't want Malaysians to take up too many of the jobs they wanted. Still, for the same job Singaporeans are paid better than foreigners (Malaysians included).

but thing is Singapore is very strict with their immigration & borders, and also paperwork, you can simply change line of jobs, your permit expire no one will dare hire you. and the interviews are more stringent.

rarely you hear Singapore Polis go around shops or construction sites to round up workers & check their permits, rarely polis stop vehicles on road to check foreigners ID, and Never would a Singapore Polis halt a public bus and spend 15 minutes just to check foreign workers on board and make everyone on the bus wait.

local all wan goyang kaki easy money....work abit complain...back pain la tis pain la...lel......same oly all blame najib tis and that when get brim or dividen or other benefit all diam2 happy2.........got money spend..when spend finish complain again.......malaysian style

i know some industry typical Chinese Restaurants will hire local Chinese, PRC, Myanmar, rarely i see Banglas, but their food price is rm18 per vege dish. but most F&B nowadays hire mainly Bangglas, even the restaurant manager they also hire banggla.

usually if Manager is Chinese service will be better becoz the manager will whip the workers, otherwise few customers off peak hour also service very bad.

Higher salary to cope with inflation... nowadays price is crazy...
Worst when gst and weakening myr

But why people are ok to work in sg earning SGD even sgd1200
Its call "nilai matawang"

TS got points.

This type of problems also happen in london. U have Pakistani, Indian, Asian, poor European flooding in london as well.

true true

its about the boss attitude....

I know some boss who sacrificed his luxury life for the sake of high salary for its workers

sometimes extra bonus if workers performance good or because of him/her, business is rescued from problems/ they get more projects/ more customers
etc

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if suffer then don't do business
tutup and quit

never doesn't mean it never happen... not all must be reported by media or spread by SG people

they can do it quietly...

stupid

general higher salary actually lowers the buying power of general people, why? because even though you get $10 extra pay, you have to pay $1 more for your meals, because to cover the cost of increasing salary, business have to increase their price, if it's only for certain industries that is considered non-essential like Fashion/Art/Music then it's ok, people will become more selective when spending, but if it involves general population, all Business have to increase price to cover the increased Wage, and for individuals, they end up have to pay more than the additional they received. it'd be better for salary & price to stay consistent but it's not possible, because business involves risks, when you have to up your labor cost, you need to add a few % to cushion certain risks, and supplies cost will also go up because your supplier also have to increase their labor cost, all this just snowball from top to bottom, and guess who is at the bottom? The General Population.

This is why it's so important to source income from foreign countries, at the cost of those less developed countries, because if America solely rely on local economy, no way Americans would be able to enjoy the good life they are leading right now, a Car for $12k, an Iphone for $800? no way.

Hiring Cheaper Foreign workers means despite the increase salary of locals, these workers who offer cheaper labor acts as some sort of cushion, so you don't have to spend more than you would should Malaysia employ full of locals.

Always remember the hand that feeds you.

Unless you work overseas it's a different story. For countries like Europe & USA they have 3rd world countries to absorb their cost, but for Malaysia, we are now near the bottom of the World Economy, PRC/Thailand/indon/Philippines are already either shoulder to shoulder with Malaysia or already surpassed us, so we have to suck ourselves and no one to absorb our costs.

true what u say but


how come some boss enjoying luxury and extravagant life if really thats the case?

clearly they refuse to sacrifice their luxury life to cushion the high salary for workers and to maintain the company

Singapore is way denser than Malaysia, with fb/twitter & more importantly the infamous STOMP, someone fart the whole island will also know.

or you never been to Singapore?

I have been

but the SG Police/authorities have right not to allow them to post these kind of things


remember SG media censorship is stronk yo

there's a difference between controlled import vs cincai import.


Singapore have very strict requirements & system, and the small island means it's easy to track.

Malaysia is bigger, lower security rating, and undertables this & that and lack of experience & quality officers, and the fact that Malaysia wants lower rates means we get 2nd or 3rd tier workers, good ones all go SG/HK.

For countries like Australia, many people jump aeroplane, but they usually work in rural places, and usually these folks are decent people, comes from decent countries like Malaysia, they know they are less troublesome, so they might not go 100% strict but once caught you will be deported.

Europe, no cure already, only Swiss will survive because their system are like Singapore very tight & closed system.

Business owners want high profit not willing to pay workers. Hotel charge so expensive yet all their waiters use foreigners.

have you tried to post something suppose to be censored online while in Singapore? don't think you do.

Even China with top of the line great wall also cannot stop netizens from spreading news, even by word of mouth 1 day already enough for half of Singapore to catch the news.

you are wrong,bussiness that cant survive and be efficient should close and die......not about foreign labour....many countries are doing good with out foreign labour...

Ala tipu
Even high pay job now Indian mainland take over already.
See la how many IT developers import from there.
Office smell curry already.

i agree

last i checked many Big Hotels are making loss, mainly because the operating cost is that high, the cost of foreigners contribute very little effect, they hire foreigners because most locals don't want to work as valet/bellboy/cleaners, they only want desk job or manager positions. smaller hotels still hire local workers.

yes agree
any many still want to defend businessman here



u want luxury life but reluctant to spend it on your workers so that yr workers will stay with u and contribute to the company

u tutup and dun do bisnes

last i checked many Big Hotels are making loss, mainly because the operating cost is that high, the cost of foreigners contribute very little effect, they hire foreigners because most locals don't want to work as valet/bellboy/cleaners, they only want desk job or manager positions. smaller hotels still hire local workers.

good old days where you get good old wantan me....now days you get bangla mee...and the owner that use to have 1 stall has 20 stall....and makes rm20k aday....on a good day......this type of owner thrive on bangla labour

those people who defend businessman here

stop defending them unless yr parents are business people.

if a company owner refuse to pay high for local workers, and us ethat as a reason to increase price, but actually you reluctant because it will effect yr rich and luxury life


tutup jela

Ayam feel shame on what anak zahid said b4. Huehuehue

where the money go to

that because bn supporters already got their ass poke everyday while not noticing it cause they stupid, opposition supporters are all bit clever they already got ass poke for others stupidity they wouldn't want their ass got poke by bangla

there should be a purge,survival of the fittest only good efficient bussiness survive ....the weak should just work for the strong.....like the good old days....

correct

yet many defenders here

why should i as a business owner should sacrifice my happiness in living extravagantly to employ local people and consequently have to fork out more money to pay them? what, i have my own social responsibility to help the locals?

u can say that if they are sucks and bring problem to you.

what if they are good, excellent and eager to make yr company popular and much respected in the international level?



and yes you must fork out and sacrifice happiness if u want a good business,,,

you dunwan sacrifce, u dun open business..
case closed

This post has been edited by vuetnam: Feb 21 2016, 05:11 PM

Well, some developed nations are practicing this in order to replenish their workforce due to low birthrate, maintain commercial advantage & competitive edge just because they are cheaper than the locals - and if you don't like that idea, your competitors will. Well, the Gov't gains the loyalty of these foreign workers when given citizenship too if you think of it.

E.g. SG , US and to some extent Europe & Middle East (mostly as skilled workforce)

The effects are quite evident over the course of time, which is why some of the most developed nations has a healthy history of immigration, except the xenophobic nations of Japan and Korea.

These nations gain better acceptance and understanding of culture around the world. I know comics show how ignorant Americans can be, but you have to see how much worse the Japanese are in this area. Just because they are generally polite does not mean they accept the culture differences as easily.

Side effect though, Gov't will face opposition, but it will be something they have to deal with. And over time, it will too sew a racial discord as what we see in the US and SG.

my hate starts at the point where every sunday the ktm train i ride to kl sentral is filled with the weird banglas with some stupid cologne or body smells like shits...

you should simply do bussiness elsewhere...if you can that is....surely you cant..thats why you are still here...imagine telling your clients how you feel...and see the response

all in all, i can just employ good foreign workers and save money.

yalo

babi punya businesspeople

no wonder why so many rich people out there

I rather employ local workers because they know the area well, and they might have connections that can spread my business to other state/area.

rather than employ foreign workers where once permit expired, u have to send them back to their home country and end up u get nothing.

This post has been edited by vuetnam: Feb 21 2016, 05:15 PM

what i am arguing is correct. and you know it.

preference

I just sad the local workers suffer with low salary but dedicated to work, while idiot babi boss enjoy travelling elsewhere..

i employ local because i want the money to circulate in the country and help this great country prosper again....because this is all i have for the future generations....ive had 3oo foreigner work for me....every month they send out rm300k to their country for 2 years....that made me change my outlook on who i employ for the next projects....i rather pay locals and reduce my profits and know iam helping this country in a way......sorry but thats me and my nationalism....you all might compare this country to others...but ive been to others....and i rather do good here as iam a citizen....

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bila takde good bullet to fightback ppls comment, mereka gunalah bahasa buruk

Kon9lqn7perm wanita MCA will...

If I am a businessman and open a restaurant=

I will increase my local workers salary every 6 months in 1 yr by RM 600 but at the same time maintain low price. Example salary RM 1700 month 1-5, month 6= RM 1700+ 600= RM 2300


then encourage them to ask their friend to eat here... win win situation

coz they are jealous mar


how to apply so that wanita mca deregistered?

because still cheaper than locals, compare apple with apple, a local senior cost more than a Indian senior. this is especially true for high paying industry like O&G & consultant firms, and of course IT.

in the end ur employee rich than u, and when u facing crisis they all left to work for other...

before they leave I tell them, u can get this kind of salary at other place meh

you hire locals pay higher wage higher operating cost sell similar food compared to bigger chain players who has alot more money to pour in and they hire bangglas to lower their cost and sell same or lower price than you, your food & service might be better, but as economy tightens up people will have no choice but to go cheaper option, soon you find yourself losing money, not because your business is bad, but because rental & utilities has risen so much that the extra pay for hiring locals becomes even a bigger burden, so what you do? you and those shops you encourage hire locals because of social responsibility closes shop, what's left are those chain shop that continue to hire bangglas and open up more & more chain shops, like how Western countries are flocked with the same chain shops all over the country.

In the end like you say it survival of the fittest, you and the rest of the local lose.

even cant they oso wont stay, since ur food low price,
the chances u recover are low..

might as well they spend time on other place and start over.

If...

ur company facing crisis, everyone knows you will close shop, your company can pay this kind of salary doesn't mean it will have money to pay them, if you do biz i pity your shareholders.

yela


ayam cuma tak suka business enjoy life and live extravagant life but kedekut on workers salary

restaurant ada shareholders meh ?

you need to read more dude, like really more. can't believe you claim to have traveled to alot of countries.

you think biz all own by 1 tauke? or you think the banggla manning the cashier is the takue?

nvm

I still prefer to hire local... expensive but safer, foreigners cause problems more than locals... unles the locals of the are prove that it is dangerous to hire them to reputation

then I agree hire foreign workers... companies want more profit, bosses want enjoy life but reluctant to pay more to workers


I travel to asian je... not all



unl

This post has been edited by vuetnam: Feb 21 2016, 05:42 PM

Good la spot check . too many illegal . too much . living here freely , didnt pay tax , stealing our subsidy, no vaccination, finger print also not recorded.
Put the burden of tax heavier on foreign people , reduce from local . I pay roadtax + gst + cukai pintu + income tax ( 0 hahaa) not more than rm1000 . how much they pay per year ?

And I agree bring more bangla as our foreign worker . reduce the other gradually . halal market need them more . nowadays, even if food are halal, but serve or cook by a non Muslim can also affect company profit margin . they also less in criminal record and not much trouble .

for this last three year I supervised bangla worker , I can say they are hardworking and fast learner. They also more obedient than other foreign worker . easy to control . bangla come bangla go .. They are not here forever . contract worker, some time 3 month change people, sometime 6 month follow their contract . they won't steal our job .
I educate them , I reduce my workload .

Hygiene issues ? You smart, you educate them laa don't also jadi bodo . like I said , they are fast learner , and they eager to learn . now I can see many young2 bangla rebonding hair, use perfume, got facial cleaner in work locker yo . haha

restoran kayu panggil bangla kerja tapi air bandung masih lagi rm4..

in the end i want to maximize profit loooool

Gomen job is to make policies.
Businesses job is to make money ie maximize profits.
But rakyat expect both to be charities.

you know majority local crimes are done by local Malaysians?

Easy money from foreign workers yo.
THrow 30 bangla in one house and charge them with rental, water, electricity, bus fee, gst n etc.
Then every year can change new merc and hermes bag yo.

Looking at the replies of /k, probably all earning 20k monopoly money. Judging from all the talks here, doesn't justify 20k salary standard.

ya, but they cannot do it alone w/o help... now some of the gangsters have foreigners as their team...so yeah

anyway I agree on this but I believe that there are good and honest workers out there who want to earn for a living/to pay children's education





anyway that just my opinion... just sad that bosses get to enjoy life while we suffering... I want the boss to suffer as how we suffer

i agree, the Hygiene thing can actually be trained, but local owners & managers themselves also not very hyginic so how to train?

i suggest the authorities have a 3 day work shop for workers coming in to work in F&B before they are allowed to leave the training center. you go see McDonalds all hire locals, i don't think the hygiene level is anything near acceptable.

eat outside, better just look at your phone, don't look at how the workers work, how they wipe the table then go take your food without washing hand, use same cloth to wipe your table then your chair, and never try to peek inside the kitchens.

but i think Vietnam people are the smartest, they don't speak chinese at all in Viet, but come here 3 months can speak basic already. many restaurant prefer them as waiter because they learn fast.

banggla, some english really, ask water also cannot understand. but can see they are trying, but not as smart as viets.

Those foreign workers that do crime are mainly Indonesians, 1 reason is they are smarter and been in Malaysia long enough to know they are underpaid, and constantly looked down by locals, plus political hatred between Indonesia & Malaysia makes it worse, also Indonesian like Pinoys are fighters, Bangglas come here just want to make a living, they only cause trouble when they are mentally ill or lost their job and on the brink. Not saying they never commit crime but your statement is exaggerated.

Local people cause more harm & crime, in terms of % by population, crimes by foreign workers is much lower than crimes by locals.

Let malaysian boss jilat lokel worker
Not the worker jilat boss

Hmmm..I didn't know business role is to do charity.

Already have la such course . food handling cert . I have one .
Halal cert also include hygiene course .

but does all F&B workers require such cert to work in F&B? because if it's optional no use, for you might be useful when you look for jobs in F&B, but most owners don't care as long as cheap and know how to work.

last time McD worker wiping table, then go attend icecream stall, make sunday cone, never wash hands, even though got paper holder, still not hygiene at all. if they handle money, they should either wear gloves when making icecream and take them off when handling money.

so far only Subway looks ok their hygiene standard, but i never see how the kitchen works.

and expensive Restaurants will have waitress specifically handle food, and general workers doing the cleaning,and they have trays. but kitchen i dunno, maybe korek nose while cooking. many times i found hair in food already...

Im not sure which part of bangla is intelligent (that these bosses puji them so much), when they cant even read "ladies-only' sign in KTM coach. And "queue" up in airport terminals.

while business want to maximize their profit by minimizing their cost, they have to maintain commutativity, of course we are talking about non monopolized industries, like F&B/Retail, if we talk about automative, no need talk lo.

so in short lower wage will still have big impact on food pricing.

think zero sum game, you get more pay, that extra needs to come from somewhere, where? Consumers of course. And who's the consumer? You your goodself lo.

So technically you are paying for your pay rise, but you get less in return.

only 1 guy here puji they intelligent. most people complain but make do with it because they low wage & willing to work long hours.

higher quality ones are Pinoy, PRC & Vietnamnese, but they rather go Singapore than Malaysia, so those who work here, are tier 2 or 3 workers.

Jangan persoal budaya kite, when in Rome, do as the Roman's do.

I'm pretty sure if you offer the same to locals kampung people, they also would be hardworking with low wages.

Some companies offer free hostel to these banglas, why not offer the same to poor kampung people so they can stay in wherever the work is in kl/penang/etc.

People do queue up in msia airport terminal except for banglas/pakistans that I see. And cant abide "ladies-only" sign in ktm.

Which part of this is when in rome, do as romans do??

So yeah... those kutuk-ing ts and bosses need to ask themselves honestly if they're willing to pay more to eat in a fully Malaysian staff-ed eatery etc or not.

If wanna blame.. blame it on haphazard handi-plas gomen policies.

have you been to a Bangla hostel? local kampung people might not mind the wage but cramping 10 of them in 1 room? they live so comfortable back in their kampung.

But wow, siriously?

Our food price already not exactly cheap.

Wondering how can SG having relatively cheaper food than us.

Taiwan's food price also not much more expensive than us even without foreigners, no?

To me, it's more like most of our current gen can't or don't cook themselves, hence demand for public eateries are becoming so inelastic that whatever price still you see them going to pay.

This post has been edited by Human10: Feb 21 2016, 06:24 PM

not just F&B, F&B just a big example since that's where most people here see Banggla workers.

in fact it affects a wide industry, you imagine 2million Banggla workers already have work in Malaysia, that's how much Malaysia rely them on, if they hire locals to replace these jobs, inflation will skyrocket by at least 50%. if Malaysia increase the minimal wage, you might earn rm500 extra each month but you will have to spend rm800 extra each month, in the end, you actually make less money.

Bullshit la!

Foreign workers need to pay levy. Levy alone up to RM 3K easy per worker. Better use that money to pay locals from East Malaysia. No issues with immigration or Rela.