Idiot place a mic like inches away from a driver then say the comparison isn't accurate. Like... no shit sherlock?

Also the proper way to measure sub output is via 2 meter ground plane, not 3 inches away from a driver.

This post has been edited by SSJBen: Jun 8 2019, 01:07 AM

RM2k budget forget 5.1 setup.

For RM2k, get a pair of Edifier S3000 Pro active bookshelfs and thank me later.

This post has been edited by SSJBen: Jun 13 2019, 12:08 AM

If die die want to pay for trash, then I got nothing to say.

With RM8k budget, you can buy some Q Acoustics speakers which are quite decent. Get a second hand receiver from year or 2 years ago that decode Atmos with 7 channels processing.

Pretty nice starter pack. I like it, keeping everything simple and your idea of starting with an entry level receiver is good since pretty much all receivers are getting "outdated" when HDMI 2.1 rolls around.

As for the sub, the PB2000 is a solid sub. Good choice. Hopefully you add another in the future!

I blame both the people and the retailers.

Most people are brain washed into thinking soundbars are more than good enough. That's why you see soundbars selling cheap comparatively (and even then, they're still not worth the price), see how many "FOC" soundbars with purchase of X item or some silly lucky draw or whatever else? Where will you ever see an AVR for lucky draw lol.

Sorry and sad to say, Malaysians are sheep of the heap.

My Ascend Acoustic Sierras imported directly from US. Over RM20k+ not including tax yet.

You just gotta take the jump for what you want. Worrying is pointless.

I bought during GST time. 10% + 6%.

You'll never see huge discounts for speakers, subs or receivers in Malaysia because they are all imported items. Shipping and tax are quite costly as the distro doesn't take much quantity in either due to niche market. The profit that resellers get is very little too.

Too bad, the buying power is a joke and the marketing is aimed towards brainwashing people who knows nothing, to buy trash products instead (i.e soundbars, which are low value high profit). Why would a salesman educate a potential customer to buy a receiver and a pair of bookshelfs to start off when it's easier to just say "buy this soundbar, 1 million watts ya know the powaaa?!".

This post has been edited by SSJBen: Nov 11 2019, 04:41 PM

Save up another RM1k and get an SVS SB1000.

The Yamaha NS-SW300 you mentioned lists its specs as being able to go down to 20hz. I will personally tell you that it struggles below 40, much less to say even hitting 30. Not sure which Wharfedale or Polk sub you're specifying though?

Honestly at RM1.4k, your choice is pretty limited and getting a sub to have 30hz authority isn't quite possible for a medium sized living room. Just wait and be patient, rather than spending RM1.4k for some fart box and then regret it. You're not that far away from an SVS entry level sub.

Denon x3600H then. It's still kinda out of your budget but it's the best mid-range receiver you can buy right now.

Should last you until 8k becomes mainstream.

4700H is a significantly worse performing receiver than last year's 3600H, a mid range model. Remains to be seen if the 3700H will suffer the same fate.

Don't buta buta beli.

If your front L/R are Prime Pinnacles, preferably you'd want a center that matches it as well - i.e the Ultra Center. The Prime Pinnacle's tweeter is very, very different to that of the PR-404c. You will not get coherency in your front soundstage this way.

Also as for the sub, you may want to consider getting DUAL SB-2000 Pros for the price of a single SB-4000 instead. Duals are just so much better, even if they are smaller and weaker. Unless you're planning to add another SB4000 in the near future, then I strongly recommend dual subs over a single one.


For surrounds, it's fine if you don't match them to the front mains. All surrounds does is make effects and ambient noises. 90% of a movie's content comes out of the front LCR (the major bulk of it from the center) and the sub.


Not very accurate on the surround channels that is best to be in the same brand as the fronts. You can match surrounds from any manufacturer as long as the speaker can keep up with the fronts. Meaning if the fronts can go down to 50hz, the surrounds should at the very least be able to do 60hz. Matching is a myth.

Coherency issues will be most prevalent in content like multi channel music or if you're a fan of expanding stereo music to all your speakers.

While majority of movies don't suffer from this problem because when you add a center channel, about 70% of the L and R content comes out of it - there are exceptions to this like musicals or concerts. Movies which has a lot of music, example - The Greatest Showman, A Star is Born, La La Land, Sing or even a musical biopic like Bohemian Rhapsody uses a lot of voice panning from the Left to Center to Right channels. When the center channel is different, the voice panning from the Left would suddenly sound very different in the Center and then would sound the same again on the Right. This breaks immersion and also creates "hole" in the soundstage.

Games also suffers from this problem as you could pan your camera and someone's voice would follow the perspective of your character.

Don't know if I can agree with that. I mean yeah I personally have a room that is fully SVS equipped, so every speaker uses at least the same tweeters so it probably sounds contradictory from my part. But I've had other speakers that served as surrounds and heights, they never sounded weird or off with my fronts.

I think sure in a perfect world, ALL speakers should be the same. But such world doesn't exist for mere mortals with limited pockets. That's why it's perfectly fine to spend less on surrounds and atmos if it means being able to buy the best LCR mains and subs. That's where the majority of the difference is noticed.

This post has been edited by SSJBen: Jun 24 2020, 11:08 PM

No it won't break coherency. Every SVS speaker follows the a very similar tuning from 2khz to 6khz, this is also where our human ears are most sensitive to. This is why Primes and Ultras can mix. The difference in the tweeter then deviates quite a bit for the Ultra, Prime Pinnacles and Primes from 8khz onwards (also below 2khz). Ultras are what I'd say "neutral", but only in comparison to within the SVS line of speakers. Prime Pinnacles are a little more laid back and the Primes are bright, borderline harsh even.

I didn't get towers because I already have towers because my new HT room isn't really a good fit for the Ultra towers or the Prime pinnacles. The room has a pretty nasty room mode at 80hz and 100hz, so putting towers in there is basically a waste of money as I'd need to filter and EQ cut the bass out of the towers substantially. That money would have been better used elsewhere (well, it went to the display).

There may or may not be a noticeable difference when speakers are being powered by an external amp. Quite a few factors to determine such as how loud are you playing them, how much space does the speaker need to fill, then the more intricate details like if the Denon's pre-outs are even good or not to begin with. In my case, the external amp did gave me an improvement especially when I'm playing really loud.

If you're using 5.1 pre out, then there won't be an internal amp disconnect for the 5 channels. You can set it so that only the L and R is disconnected or you have to set ALL channels to be disconnected. If doing multi channel audio, the center channel is by far the most important channel to keep clean as up to 80% of any sound comes out of there.


Amp disconnect actually doesn't do very much - https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/in...r-review.15031/

If you believe one day humans will evolve to have wings and stop being stupid, yes those cables makes a big difference in sound quality.

No, you get the cable that is suitable for the length you are planning to run.

Here is a brief guide about the gauge and length you need to get -https://www.audioholics.com/audio-video-cables/speaker-wire-gauge