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QUOTE(Ivan_T @ Nov 23 2017, 01:58 PM)
Yes.. hard to find new set of 646 due to EOL but there should be no issue with support. The latest firmware already provided the support for all the features you have mentioned, there is no diff with 656. Btw, I read somewhere that the volume level on 656 need to be set much higher to achieve the same level loudness, not sure it is true or not.
My question back to you is why not Onkyo? Both the Denon and Onkyo are reliable brands. Denon is now owned by US company and Onkyo acquired Pioneer. You can't say Denon is better than Onkyo, whether you like Denon, Onkyo, Yamaha, Pioneer, Marantz or any other brands AVR is all up to individual, go for audition choose the one that suit your taste and budget. I have recommended NR646 because it is value for money with its performance.
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QUOTE(sonypshomer @ Nov 23 2017, 02:49 PM)
after 8% discount around 2.2K from Style laser aka ProAV

http://www.11street.my/productdetail/onkyo...ceiver-22554964

Onkyo lower tier AVR definitely bang for the buck when compare to other brands especially on number of HDMI I/O, Watt per channel, inclusion of lastest tech HDR10, BT2020, Dolby Vision.
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I'm caught between Yamaha RX V583 or RX V683. Any thoughts? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(Ivan_T @ Nov 23 2017, 10:27 PM)
If you have already narrowed down to these 2 Yamaha, then of course the better choice is V683 and it performs quite well, strong bass as I remember during a demo. The V583 is the low end budget AVR.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Nov 24 2017, 05:16 PM)
What if I told you that what you heard was placebo and was affected by room acoustics?

The v683, 583, 483 and 383 uses the exact same DAC, the same power topology, the same amp sections, the same transformer. They vary in price due to feature sets, not hardware.
Don't be so easily fooled.

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When choosing an entry-level/mainstream receiver, what you should look for are the features you need. The hardware is a pointless comparison because they use the same basic level stuff that has inaudible differences between one another at this price point.

An A870 doesn't sound better than v683 in pure direct mode. They use the same hardware internally, right down to the circuit traces. The 870 can sound better/different with YPAO engaged because it has a more advanced version of the software. So choose wisely based on logic, not on PR talk.
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My mind already set for RX V683 although the last time was V681. biggrin.gif

Why is it that the RX V583 and the RX V683 difference so much in terms of price? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Nov 24 2017, 07:28 PM)
V683 has:

+ more video inputs (HDMI and component)
+ more pointless features (you can "bi-amp" with 683, by why anyone would do that on a puny amp like this is beyond me)
+ extra flexibility of connecting speakers, you can connect up to 9 channels although the receiver can only process 7 at any one time, however that gives you the flexibility to switch between say 5.1.2 in your main zone to 5.1 + 2.0 in zone 2. There's flexibility to setup systems in your house basically.
+ pre-out for zone 2
+ 12v trigger out
+ YPAO RSC vs ordinary YPAO
You pay for more features. Worth it? That's up to you decide if you need the extra features.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Nov 24 2017, 10:36 PM)
Honestly speaking? Both receivers are poorly priced.

The Denon x1400h is a better buy at RM2k and does just as well as the v683/583.
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What is the Denon AVR-X1400H?

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Denon’s latest 7.2-channel mid-range receiver has an even more impressive set of features than its predecessor, the awesome Denon AVR-X1300W. Its snazziest new trick is support for Denon’s HEOS multiroom platform, allowing it to integrate seamlessly with wireless speakers such as the Heos 7 HS2 – as well as bringing a wider range of music streaming services to the table.

Denon claims to have upgraded audio performance with a new hi-res audio DAC, and has added support for the Dolby Vision and Hybrid Log-Gamma HDR video standards – the latter via firmware update. 3D audio fans get Dolby Atmos and DTS:X out the box, plus Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, AirPlay and Spotify Connect. All of this can be yours for the reasonable sum of £429.

Denon AVR-X1400H – Design and Connections

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Not a great deal has changed on the design front, but I’m not complaining. The AVR-X1400H is a good-looking black box with an elegant brush-effect fascia and discreet button layout. General build quality is solid – the bodywork is rigid and weighty and the knobs turn smoothly – but the moulded plastic trim surrounding the front sockets cheapens the look a little.

The AVR-X1400H’s reasonably compact size makes it shelf-friendly, although you’ll need to leave headroom for the flip-up Wi-Fi aerials on the back.

On the front, large volume and source-selection knobs flank the central display panel. The display is nice and wide, leaving room for all those long audio formats and sound modes. Below that sits a row of buttons for a seemingly arbitrary choice of functions, including tuner presets, zone 2 controls and Quick Select keys that jump straight to an input and saved settings.

Front connections include an HDMI 2.0 input, a USB port for music playback from memory devices, and a headphones output. There are five more HDMI 2.0 ports on the rear of the device and an ARC-enabled output. All of the HDMI sockets support 4K/60p, HDCP 2.2, HDR10, Dolby Vision and HLG, the latter being added via firmware update in the autumn.

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Elsewhere, you’ll find a modest selection of sockets, perhaps reflecting the decreasing need for physical connections in an increasingly wireless world. There are two optical inputs but no coaxial ports, while analogue connections are limited to two audio RCA inputs, two composite video inputs and a composite output. Dual subwoofer pre-outs cater for bass heads, while an Ethernet port gives you a more stable alternative to the built-in Wi-Fi.

Denon AVR-X1400H – Features

Now found on all of Denon’s 2017 receivers, HEOS multiroom support lets you play music through the AVR-X1400H and an entire network of Denon speakers around your home.

And even if you don’t have any other Denon wireless speakers, you can use the HEOS smartphone app to stream music from Spotify, Tidal, SoundCloud, Napster, TuneIn radio, as well as your own NAS drives and PCs.

The AVR-X1300W could stream DLNA music and internet radio, but it was all conducted through the unit’s old-fashioned on-screen menus. Using the app is slicker, quicker and brings extra functionality to the table. It’s a great move.

If HEOS isn’t for you then AirPlay, Bluetooth and Spotify Connect provide other streaming options. Built-in dual-band Wi-Fi uses a dual diversity antenna system for robust error-free streaming.

With a rating of 145W per channel, there’s plenty of power in the tank. Seven discrete channels let you build a traditional 7.2 system or a 5.1.2 Dolby Atmos or DTS:X system with two height speakers. Dolby Surround Upmixer and DTS Neural:X sprinkle some 3D audio magic on regular soundtracks.

Denon has switched to the new AK4458 32-bit DAC from Asahi Kasei, which offers improved resolution and dynamic range compared with less expensive options. Also under the bonnet is a DSP chip with four 300MHz cores and new circuitry for input switching and volume.

The Denon can also play hi-res audio via network and USB, including FLAC 192/24, WAV 192/24, AIFF, DSD 5.6MHz and ALAC 96/24.

Denon AVR-X1400H – Setup and Operation

Denon’s improved Setup Assistant makes life even easier for the uninitiated. It walks you through each stage of the process, including speaker connections, calibration, network setup and TV audio connections. The low-res text, graphics and black backgrounds still remind me of an old SNES RPG, but they’re easy enough to follow.

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The same goes for the setup menus – old-school in appearance but clear and thorough. Given the vast amount of features on board, the fact that Denon has made installation so simple is a real achievement.

You don’t have to manually calibrate the speakers, either – the Audyssey MultEQ XT room-correction system handles that for you. Using the supplied microphone and cardboard stand, MultEQ analyses the acoustic properties of your room and sets DSP filters to ensure the optimum tonal balance. The Denon takes readings from eight listening positions for the most accurate results, but you can stop after three.

The AVR-X1400H is also compatible with the Audyssey MultEQ Editor App, which lets you customise the sound to suit your personal taste or correct specific problems. The catch is that it costs £19.99, so it’s for serious soundsmiths only.

The upgraded remote is designed for maximum simplicity. The buttons have been stripped down to the essentials, including a bank of input keys at the top and four Quick Select keys at the bottom. The volume keys are prominent, the direction pad is perfectly placed and there’s a handy HEOS key that fires up the multiroom playback. The plasticky build is a shame, but I can’t fault it for usability.

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Denon offers not one but two smartphone apps to control the AVR-X1400H. HEOS takes care of all the network streaming business, and does so with aplomb.

The app is split into three sections: Rooms, which controls your entire multiroom system; Music, which lets you select a streaming source; and Now Playing, where you’ll find playback and volume controls. The menus are logical, attractive and quick in operation.

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When streaming music through the HEOS app, the Denon displays the relevant cover art and metadata on your TV. Its low-res fuzziness feels outdated in today’s hi-definition world, but they have a certain charm.

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Meanwhile, the Denon 2016 AVR Remote app handles the traditional AVR functions, allowing you to switch sources, control playback and explore setup options across a series of basic menus. It’s nowhere near as slick as the HEOS app but it covers all bases. Cleverly, you can switch between the two apps using an icon at the top of the screen.

Denon AVR-X1400H – Performance

Hooked up to the terrific Tangent Spectrum speaker system, the AVR-X1400H delivers more of the same sparkling sound quality as the AVR-X1300W.

As I’ve come to expect from Denon, it’s a refined, insightful performer, imbuing movie soundtracks with plenty of crystal clear detail. Play Rogue One on Blu-ray and voices are layered with texture, while the familiar clack of Stormtrooper boots and guns in Imperial corridors are crisp and precise.

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This keen attention to detail makes the on-screen action feel believable, no matter how otherworldly the situation. And when Saw Gerrera’s militants ambush Imperial forces on Jedha, the Denon’s natural clarity and poise makes the action easy to follow – there’s no congestion as explosions and blasters fill the room.

A skilled surround practitioner, the Denon pings effects between channels quickly and accurately. No matter how subtle the sound or which speaker it comes from, the Denon maintains its mesmerising clarity. Step up to Dolby Atmos or DTS:X tracks and the height channels are conveyed with similar lucidity.

It’s expressive and agile, with just enough bite to get the pulse racing. But Denon’s refined approach might disappoint those looking for a flat-out muscle fest – rival brands such as Yamaha offer a more boisterous sound, tackling the above scenes with greater vigour.

However, that’s not to say there’s no firepower behind the finesse. When the Death Star blows up Jedha City, the Denon has no trouble conveying the scale of the destruction. It builds a huge wall of sound as the tidal wave of rock thunders forward, backed by a mammoth rumble from the sub.

There’s clearly plenty of power under the bonnet, but with its smooth, measured approach it sometimes feels like the Denon is holding something back.

But these characteristics lend themselves beautifully to stereo music playback. From subtle hi-hats to vocal inflections, high-frequency detail flutters from the speakers, while the full-bodied mid-range makes vocals sound warm and emotional. It’s all reinforced by tight, punchy bass.

I played a wide range of tunes via HEOS, CD and Bluetooth and was consistently impressed by the Denon’s composure, warmth and agility.

Should I buy the Denon AVR-X1400H?

With its comprehensive feature list, polished performance and affordable price tag, the AVR-X1400H is yet another must-buy from a brand operating at the top of its game.

Support for Dolby Vision (and HLG eventually) alongside every other 4K flavour keeps the Denon future-proofed for years to come, while the addition of HEOS multiroom makes music streaming easier than its predecessor. It’s also a cinch to install and operate.

In terms of performance, its smooth, articulate sound is textbook Denon. It teases out plenty of detail and orchestrates multi-channel soundtracks with panache. There’s plenty of scale and power, too – but bear in mind that rival amps such as the Yamaha RX-V581 offer a bigger, more boisterous sound, if that’s what floats your boat.

But in all other respects, the AVR-X1400H is a killer amp that demands a place on your shortlist.

Verdict

Future-proofed features, stunning sonics and multiroom streaming make the AVR-X1400H an irresistible AV receiver, although Denon’s refined approach lacks the vigour of rivals.

Pros
*Tasteful design and robust construction
*Slick HEOS multiroom streaming
*Dolby Vision & HLG support
*Sparkling sound quality

Cons
*Rivals offer more power and vigour
*Low-res menus
*Remote build quality

Key Features
*Review Price: £429.00
*7 x 145W power output
*HEOS multiroom streaming
*4K/60p, Dolby Vision & HLG HDR support
*Dolby Atmos 5.1.2 and DTS:X decoding
*Dual-band Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, AirPlay, internet radio, Spotify Connect and DLNA

Score
Score in details
Performance 9/10
Features 9/10
Sound Quality 9/10
Design 8/10
Value 9/10

Overall 4.5/5


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*Wow, impressive overall review! Current price: RM2151.00. Something to consider. hmm.gif
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2018 Potential Target

AV Receiver = Yamaha RX V683 = RM2750
Bookshelf speakers = Q Acoustics 3020 = RM1180
Center Speaker = Q Acoustics 3090C = RM850
Subwoofer = SvS (still considering)

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Yamaha unveils new range of flagship Aventage AV amps

The five 2018 models boast new features, a revamped user interface, and a redesigned remote control. Prices range from £750 to £2200.
The RX-A680, RX-A880, RX-A1080, RX-A2080 and RX-A3080 sit above the recently announced RX-V85 models, and replace the 2017 Aventage line-up, which includes the RX-A3070.

The flagship Aventage amps naturally shares functionality with the RX-V85 models, including Bluetooth, AirPlay and, for owners of an Amazon Alexa speaker, voice commands.

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They also boast MusicCast streaming, opening doors to DLNA streaming of files up to 24-bit/192kHz and playback from Spotify, Tidal, Qobuz and Deezer - over 2.4GHz or 5GHz wi-fi or Ethernet. Then there’s MusicCast Surround, which lets users connect pairs of Yamaha's new MusicCast 20 (£230) or 50 (£500) wireless speakers to be handily used as rear channels.

But naturally the flagship range builds on the RX-V85's capability with enhanced features, too. For example, the RX-A1080, RX-A2080 and RX-A3080 introduce Surround:AI, which uses algorithms to automatically select the best digital processing mode depending on the type of content being played.

Like the RX-V685 (the top model in Yamaha’s RX-V85 range), the Aventage models feature a new graphic user interface that Yamaha says is simplified, faster and requires less remote button clicks to get from A to B.

As you’d expect, there’s decoding for Dolby Atmos and DTS:X. Perhaps more unusually for home cinema amplifiers, though, is a phono input for hooking up a turntable.

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The RX-A680 (£750) is a 7.2-channel amp delivering 80 watts per channel, while the RX-A880 (£1000) and RX-A1080 (£1300) up the ante to 100 watts and 110 watts respectively. The RX-A2080 (£1700) expands the channel count to 9.2, pumping 140 watts to each.

You'll find four HDMI inputs on the RX-A680 hand seven on both the RX-A880 and RX-A1080

The A2080 has an impressive seven HDMI inputs and three HDMI outputs - as does the top of the range RX-A3080 (£2200), which also introduces XLR inputs.

Surprisingly, the RX-A3080 also has nine discrete channels, which ‘limits’ users to a 5.2.4 Atmos configuration. Denon’s 2017 AVR-X6400H, for example, features 11 discrete channels of amplification, enabling a 7.2.4 Atmos set-up.

It shouldn't be a deal breaker for most and given Yamaha's track record over the years we still can't wait to get them into our test rooms.

The new Aventage models will start appearing on UK shelves in July.




Yamaha introduces 2018 midrange AV amplifier range

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The three-strong RX-V85 line-up supports Yamaha’s MusicCast multi-room streaming platform and Amazon Alexa voice control.
Yamaha has unveiled three new midrange RX AV amplifiers for the UK market: the RX-V485 (£450), RX-V585 (£550) and RX-V685 (£650) – all of which come with impressive specs.

Wi-fi and Yamaha’s MusicCast network streaming platform allows streaming from services such as Spotify, Tidal, Qobuz and Deezer. It can also play PCM files up to 24-bit/192kHz over DLNA, and has multi-room functionality.

Bluetooth, AirPlay and FM/AM radio tuners are also onboard, and owners of an Amazon Alexa speaker (such as the Echo, Echo Plus or Echo Spot) can control the amps’ volume or music playback simply by using their voice.

Yamaha’s new MusicCast 20 (£230) and MusicCast 50 (£500) wi-fi speakers can be used as wireless surround channels, too.

Using sound field data from various concert halls and music clubs, Yamaha has created several proprietary Cinema DSP 3D processing modes. Its Virtual Presence Speaker function also works to create a soundfield of extra channels to enhance width and height.

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eARC (Enhanced Audio Return Channel), which allows your TV to directly pass DTS:X and Dolby Atmos soundtracks to your audio system, will also be available via a future update.

While the bottom-ranging RX-V485 (£450) is a 5.1-channel, 80W per channel amplifier, the RX-V585 and RX-V685 are 7.2-channel amplifiers with Dolby Atmos and DTS:X. That means they can be used in a 5.1.2 speaker set-up with ceiling or up-firing speakers.

The 80W-per-channel RX-V585 has four HDMI inputs and a second subwoofer output, while the RX-V685 has a fifth HDMI input, a second HDMI output for running a second TV or projector, and a phono input for hooking up a turntable.

The RX-V685 also has some additional features, including YPAO room calibration. YPAO Volume works to automatically adjust high and low frequency levels for improved low level listening, while YPAO Reflected Sound Control corrects sound reflections from walls, floor and ceilings.

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The RX-V685 also benefits from a new user interface with simplified operation menus and faster navigation. It also comes with a new, slimline remote.

The RX-V485 (£450), RX-V585 (£550) and RX-V685 (£650) AV amplifiers will be available in the UK in the summer.

Last but not least is a slimline model, the RX-S602 (above), priced £599, which replaces the RX-S601 being discontinued in May. Like its predecessor, the RX-S602 is a 5.1-channel network receiver, but has MusicCast, as well as Bluetooth and DAB/DAB+ radio tuners. It also features Alexa voice control and Cinema DSP 3D processing, and can be used with Yamaha’s wireless speakers as surround channels.

Details of the brand’s top-end Aventage range are so far under wraps, but we hope to be able to bring you more information soon.

Any big difference from the RX-V83 models? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(yikyeou @ Oct 3 2018, 05:37 PM)
Hihi, I am so new to HT and moving in into a new home. Budget is about 3.5-4k, is it too low to have a decent home theater system?
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5.1 is a MUST!

1 One big tv
2 Two rear speakers
3. One centre channel speaker
4. One subwoofer
5. Two surround speakers
6. Last but not least an AV Receiver

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2nd hand Q Acoustics 2010i for around RM400+. Is it worth to buy or slightly expensive? Thanks in advance!
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QUOTE(voscar @ Feb 14 2019, 11:32 PM)
QA 2010i too small, bass will be very limited. Plays vocal nice tho...
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Mar 4 2019, 12:17 AM)
Uhm... you know that if he adds a center channel, literally 70% or more of the sound gets directed to the center channel. So you're just splitting 2 speakers into 1, the same issue happens. In fact, the dialogue may even be worse because most center speakers aren't very good.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Mar 4 2019, 04:56 PM)
I suggest you put most of your budget into the center channel then. 3 identical speakers for the LCR is still the best setup, although most people won't do it for obvious reasons.
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Which is a better choice?

1. Denon AVR X250BT
2. Pioneer VSX 1123K
3. Pioneer VSX 523K
4. Pioneer VSX 330K
5. Denon AVR 1312
6. Denon AVR 1912


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Which is a better choice?

1. Denon AVR X250BT
2. Pioneer VSX 1123K
3. Pioneer VSX 523K
4. Pioneer VSX 330K
5. Denon AVR 1312
6. Denon AVR 1912
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Mar 30 2019, 02:04 AM)
From your list, only the Denon X250bt and Pioneer 1123k makes sense. Not much between them to be honest, just choose the one that's priced lower.
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Q Acoustics 3020 or Dali Spektor 2? Which is the better performance or value for money?
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Should we be worried if the speaker or subwoofer written on the back "Made In China" even tho it's a branded set?
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Pioneer and Onkyo release AirPlay 2 update
By Becky Roberts 23 April 2019

The firmware update is available now on several stereo and AV receivers

Pioneer and Onkyo have released a firmware update to bring AirPlay 2 to select components, including handfuls of AV and stereo receivers, and a home theatre system.

Apple AirPlay 2 support allows the user to stream directly from an iOS device to a compatible AirPlay 2 component. With the second-gen AirPlay finally bringing the ability to stream music from your iOS device to more than one product, it enables streaming within a multi-room environment too.

Apple AirPlay 2 – everything you need to know
The update is now available for the following Pioneer products: the SX-S30DAB stereo receiver and SC-LX901, SC-LX801, SC-LX701, VSX-LX503, VSX-LX303, VSX-933, VSX-S520 and VSX-S520D AV receivers.

As for Onkyo products, the update is now available for the TX-RZ5100, TX-RZ3100, TX-RZ1100, TX-RZ830, TX-RZ730, TX-NR686 and TX-L50 AV receivers, the TX-L20D and TX-8270 stereo receivers and the LS5200 home theatre system.

To automatically update a compatible machine, navigate to its system set-up menu and follow the instructions, or visit www.pioneer-audiovisual.eu or www.uk.onkyo.com to download the update and perform the installation manually.



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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Apr 22 2019, 01:32 AM)
Show me a brand that isn't made in China. Wait perhaps it's not made in China, but what about the parts internally? Where were they sourced or made? whistling.gif
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I won’t worry about it. Or you prefer like Yamaha is 100% made in Malaysia
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