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zweimmk
post May 19 2016, 08:03 AM

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QUOTE(l2k @ May 19 2016, 12:03 AM)
Since when torque is the only number to determine power?

The new civic has better horsepower figure and has longer sustainable torque curve, up to 5500 rpm, Jetta TSI starts to roll off after ~4000 ish.
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Not sure which is true though, if we examine the Hondata torque curve, the data suggest that it hits past 200nm by around 2000RPM and builds till 4750RPM before slowly tapering off.
The Injen chart is more linear with lower figures, torque peaks again at around 4700+RPM before tapering off.

The Jetta on the other hand peaks just slightly over 2000RPM and sustains its torque until around 5300RPM where it begins to drop under 200nm.

Can't wait to get my hands on an actual Malaysian Civic then sending it to the dyno to see how it actually compares.
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post May 20 2016, 07:56 AM

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QUOTE(usopkun @ May 19 2016, 01:59 PM)
"Behind the wheel the new Civic is a significant improvement over the old when it comes to vehicle dynamics. A new inner frame structure allows for much more advanced body joining techniques, which when accompanied by new suspension systems both front and rear have given the car a new lease on life.

The Civic’s chief engineer told us that when work on the tenth-generation car began in 2012, they basically started with a clean sheet of paper to avoid the dynamic-deficiencies of the outgoing model. Their work is certainly felt when you start to push it hard into corners.

The cornering capability of the new Civic is certainly amongst the best in its class, it’s smooth and relatively sure-footed around the twisty stuff, though in fairness it’s let down by its choice of tyres. In terms of ride comfort, we found the base model and the second grade up – both of which ride on 16-inch wheels – comfortable without being floaty. Meanwhile, the larger 17-inch wheel size on the higher-spec cars provided more grip but with a firmer  setup"

-Caradvise-

Can't wait to test drive.
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The Civic suspension is known to be somewhat a little on the firm side. I have an FB so I know. It's not very comfortable going over humps and rough roads. Cornering is decent, and can get only better with a good set of tires. I'm not surprised if the new FC will corner well but also suffer a little on the comfort side.

Hopefully the FC does signify Honda's return to form since the FD.
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post May 24 2016, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 24 2016, 12:21 PM)
Quarter mile is only 0.8 seconds slower than a FK2R.

Who needs 306hp when 173hp is almost just as good right?  biggrin.gif
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This is why I don't buy those numbers. Don't matter if it's published by roads and tracks or not, not that it's impossible, just that it is so unlikely to be the case. It will practically kill their SI market if the standard version can achieve that sort of numbers. Not only SI market, it will practically wipe the floor of 200+hp hot hatches.
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post May 25 2016, 06:54 AM

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I believe the new Civic can probably do 750km to 850km if strictly driven around 90 to 110km/hr on the highway. If an older Jetta 1.4 twincharge can already achieve such numbers on a pure highway drive, I don't see why the Civic turbo would have problems.
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post May 25 2016, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(kevin23 @ May 25 2016, 03:23 PM)
No way Jetta can do 750 to 850 km on a single tank. Have tested before. Max 500-600 per tank. Normal highway driving. No hard revving.
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Can be done, There are many people in the Jetta group posted their mileage, one guy went up to 890km if I recall correctly on a single tank. Almost 100% highway only, cruise control on and hardly any braking. Even when I drove the golf 1.4 tsi, I can even achieve 630km with mix mode driving. 500 - 600km, you must be moderately heavy footed.

The new Civic, if the FC is as good as claimed, can without a doubt at least achieve 700km without breaking sweat on highway.
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post May 25 2016, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(l2k @ May 25 2016, 05:33 PM)
No one seems to concern on the new Earth dream
DI engine. Not sure if carbon build up will be an issue or not?
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They overcome this issue with a combo of port and direct injectors.

Low RPM - port, high RPM - Direct

Something like that if I recall, solves the carbon issue.
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post May 25 2016, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(l2k @ May 25 2016, 06:25 PM)
I thought this is implemented in Toyota d4s engine (new car 2.0), so the new honda 1.5t uses the same method?
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If I remember correctly, yes - the earth dreams engine is employing the same dual injector type concept.

Other companies include Mercedes and VW/Audi. BMW is going along a different route.
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post May 26 2016, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ May 26 2016, 08:21 AM)
From what I read, there's no mention of indirect injection applied.

This website compiles the press releases for this model, quite a detailed read for those interested. Can skip straight to the engine topic headers and you won't find any writings about indirect injection, only have direct injection :
https://www.netcarshow.com/honda/2016-civic_sedan/
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I think you are right. The new Civic is a direct injected unit only.

Which means it will suffer from carbon deposits buildup over time, so either install an oil catch tank to slow down the process of carbon build up, or drive the car hard and give it the Italian tune up every once or twice a week or carbon clean the engine when your mileage hits 70 to 100k
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post May 26 2016, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ May 26 2016, 03:28 PM)
Install oil catch can = void warranty  sweat.gif

I once talked with the sales engineer that markets engine carbon cleaning machines, they say actually have to do every 20k km or at least during each major service.

But since the issue of carbon buildup is now a well known issue for direct injected engines, I believe the engineers have taken it into account during engine design to either reduce the buildup or that even if there's build up, it won't be cause the performance to drop significantly. Well, still a presumption. Always a good idea to avoid short engine runs or long traffic jam/start stop traffic condition.

No car in this kind of price range will apply both direct and indirect injection la...an added cost by maybe at least RM2k or more  mega_shok.gif
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Actually it won't - all it really is an oil filter can with 2 additional hoses that is plugged into the existing ports of the engine. No cutting is involved. So how to justify voiding any warranty? If any drilling is involved is also with the bracket holding the oil catch tank, but it seems like you can actually just screw onto the existing screw holes that's located by the chassis.
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post May 26 2016, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 26 2016, 07:05 PM)
This is a dangerous assumption to make in a country where consumer rights is the punchline of a bad joke.

If Honda Malaysia says void, then you're basically shit out of luck. You bring them to the consumer tribunal / court, they will throw the warranty T&C at you - any unauthorized modifications will void your warranty. Did the OCT come with the car? Did Honda Malaysia installed the OCT for you? no? then it's an unauthorized mod.

Always assume that they are looking for excuses to squirm their way out of honoring your warranty.

But for the case of the OCT, I think it is safer to just uninstall and restore the original hoses before sending it for service, then re-install it after you get your car back. After all, you probably need to empty the tank once every few months anyway.
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Yes definitely. In case of any warranty claims, always ensure the car to be in its stock condition or as close as stock condition as possible. Also ensure any error codes is wiped off the ECU before bringing the car into the service center. They will scan the car electronically to find any unusual error codes to void the car's warranty.

I have had some experience with Honda Malaysia squirming their way out of a warranty claim. They WILL use even the K&N aftermarket drop in filter as a reason to void your car warranty so be warned!

For the OCT, I don't think there's any possibility of them tracing the device unless the container is physically there for them to see. Even more doubtful if an OBD scan would generate any sort of error code related to the installation of an OCT.
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post May 30 2016, 07:48 AM

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For this new turbo Civic, because of the DI engine it uses, I recommend future owners to pump Ron97 instead of Ron95.

2 reasons:

1. Less carbon buildup in engine because the fuel is cleaner (Euro 4m)
2. Makes better power and FC

The 1.8 NA can make do with Ron95 but it's better for the Turbo 1.5 to go with Ron97.

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ May 30 2016, 05:51 PM)
I own a F10 LCI and I use RON95. Perfectly fine.
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You really should go 97 for your car. It's better for your engine and the turbo itself.
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post Jun 1 2016, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jun 1 2016, 09:04 AM)
Now im considering if I should upgrade to the 1.5 Turbo for my wife?  Or stick to the 1.8NA.  hmm.gif
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I'll say why not pay another xxx extra for a Ford Focus?
Or pay another extra xxx for a Volvo V40? Extremely safe car for your wife
Or better yet, why not just go for the 116i from the Premium selection offer from BMW? I hear they are going for 160k or less now.

When does it end? lol
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post Jun 1 2016, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jun 1 2016, 10:40 AM)
It will be a Civic. That's decided. Just whether I stick to the 1.8 or go for the 1.5T mid spec
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You suka, but let me know when you get the car. Let's bring it for a dyno run hehe.
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post Jun 2 2016, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(ZeroSP @ Jun 2 2016, 08:32 PM)
Update from the final day of training for Civic X.

I will forego the driving and whatever that you guys can test from test drive later on.
Service and maintenance for Civic X is somewhat different (but not special) from other Honda models:

There are 2 service reminder indicator lights (we call it A and B as of now).

A - Oil change
B - Oil and Filter

The rest, according to manual as per needed.

The on board system will determine the mileage/months depending on your driving style (Such as many start stop traffic, or always highway, or whatever it is), and the indicator for service will light up anywhere from 5000 to 10000KM. (Max is always 10000KM or 6 months).

That's all of what is worth noting, the rest you guys find it out during test drive.
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So they follow BMW system to service only when required as per driving style. That's pretty good.
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post Jun 8 2016, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jun 8 2016, 10:47 AM)
Toyota needs much more than a new chassis to keep up with Honda now. They lost the B segment to the City, the SUV segment to the CRV & HRV and now they will lose the C segment to the Civic. That's a huge whack on all 3 fronts.

Honda has set a new benchmark for the C segment with this new Civic. Very rarely do we get a car that offers a great design, a spacious interior and top notch specs for a reasonable price. You normally get 2 or maybe 3 factors but not all 4.

Well done Honda!
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They've always taken the long wait and see approach. That's always been Toyota, and that's why they will always sell. What's Malaysia really to them? Despite losing on 3 fronts, they are still pulling good numbers. Look at how well they are doing in the rest of Asia and other parts of the world. That's not fluke.

If there's one thing about Honda, they have well spec cars, good design even. But when it comes to quality and fit and finish - they really fall short and you will find that out in about a year or 2 with your Honda, heh.

The 5 year warranty is probably a good thing for the new Civic. Being turbo and being armed with more electronics, its probably a good idea to have a longer warranty to cover potential engine issues. Particularly those who love to drive their car in an extremely spirited fashion.

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post Jun 9 2016, 08:30 AM

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QUOTE(Jeffreynsx @ Jun 9 2016, 05:20 AM)
This is common issue for Turbo cars if Intercooler did not do their job well. If worried about overheating issue, can opt for 1.8 variant. Play safe for your journey with decent price.
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If the driver drives the car in an overly spirited fashion, even a good intercooler will only do so much. Not sure if the car has any fail safe programming against such issues in the new Civic. If it doesn't then I expect many new overly enthusiastic Civic owners here will suffer the same problem before long. Other causes for overheat could also be because of water pump failure or coolant leakage etc.

There's definitely much more potential with this new Civic. Already there are aftermarket piggybacks available to push the car beyond the magical 200whp mark. Expect to see aftermarket turbo replacements, IC replacement and other goodies to follow soon -
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post Jun 9 2016, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jun 9 2016, 10:00 AM)
Maybe the surprise would be a 2.0L Twin Turbo 200HP, 300Nm torque for all variants with no increase in pricing.  drool.gif
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By twin turbo you mean 2 sequential turbo or twin scroll turbo like the F30/F10? I would expect no less than 300+ to 400hp for a twin turbo setup

The numbers are decent but somewhat on the low side by today's standards.
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post Jun 9 2016, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(GeekinE90 @ Jun 9 2016, 04:10 PM)
Found the part numbers for the Turbo RS Gloss Black Front Grill.  USD120 which is not too bad.  Hopefully HM sells it here as an optional accessory!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JDM-2016-Honda-Civ...HdXS-nQ&vxp=mtr
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Sticker wrap, same effect
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post Jun 9 2016, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(GeekinE90 @ Jun 9 2016, 04:15 PM)
Quite a few sticker wrapped ones on CivicX, but they look cheap compared to the original gloss black RS one.  Plus sticker wrap also cost $$$.  USD120 is doable for the original part.
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You ship the part in, it will cost USD120 not inclusive of freight charges, gst and whatever duties that may be imposed (30% for automotive parts). It should come to a total of RM1000 give or take a few, if not more.

Using stickers from Motorsport Playground or Wraphauz will only cost like RM300 at best? And we're talking good quality 3M or Oracal stickers too.

This post has been edited by zweimmk: Jun 9 2016, 04:23 PM

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