If really like it so much, go accessory shop put black sticker lor...

Be patient a little more as the official launch is next week.

Go to a showroom and touch/knock/feel/grab the exterior and interior and determine for yourself whether the materials and fittings are up to your expectations. No one can confirm the full actual specifications as the information is under embargo until the official launch and the local brochure gets distributed.

If not happy, can walk to other camp (Altis or Mazda3) or (if you're patient enough) the upcoming Peugeot 408 and new Hyundai Elantra.

Regardless of the speculations, this new Civic will set the benchmark for this class of cars in the market, it is actually that good. However, whether it satisfies your expectations, that's another question to find out in the foreseeable future.

They choose CVT mainly due to economies of scale, their mass market models all equip with CVT. Also to simplifying procurement and quality issue as just need to deal with one vendor

The CVT in the current new City is already not bad compared to 2 generations ago. The new Civic would be similar if not better. Better to test drive for a good impression instead of relying on stereotypical assumption that CVT=crappy rubber band=no omph. I tried it on my colleague's car and I think it is not bad. My mum used to own the City of 2 generations ago (the dugong/mushroom car) , that CVT really rubber band but can still really hold on to speed, just need some distance.

Honda didn't make a mistake, it was a calculated move for greater economies of scale for CVT procurement and ease of maintenance. For Audi, the performance perception does have a significant impact, as CVTs are mostly found on bread and butter models instead of premium brands (Lexus a bit of a wierdo, their GS 350h uses CVT and it is a hoot to race it), but I also think they want to simplify their transmission range to either the 8 speeder or the DSG. Easier for their procurement and maintenance across the VW large marque of brands and dizzying number of respective models. I think it was only Audi brand that uses CVT during that period of time (if my memory serves me right), the odd one standing out. So make sense to drop it now.

Mazda3 owners will not be happy seeing the legroom even with the City

The only comfort regarding to interior space is it is wider.

(I own and drive the Skyactiv Mazda3, so i know )

My opinion differs on this though, i do think the interior of this new Civic will definitely be at least on par with the Mazda3 (if not better). Judging by their humiliation of the previous model, they are going to be very aggressive this time to win back the market. They knew what the market is offering, they surely studied their competitors (heck they even try to compare against premium compact brands). For the very least, it won't be

I myself will definitely check out the new Civic after the launching

No, unless your parents run a second hand car dealership. These dealers will want to get the ownership of the cars as fast as possible as the value and demand of the car changes by the month, where got possibility they let you hold for half a year? 1 minggu pun susah nak bincang...

Unless you rent/lease back from them la...

From what I read, there's no mention of indirect injection applied.

This website compiles the press releases for this model, quite a detailed read for those interested. Can skip straight to the engine topic headers and you won't find any writings about indirect injection, only have direct injection :
https://www.netcarshow.com/honda/2016-civic_sedan/

Install oil catch can = void warranty

I once talked with the sales engineer that markets engine carbon cleaning machines, they say actually have to do every 20k km or at least during each major service.

But since the issue of carbon buildup is now a well known issue for direct injected engines, I believe the engineers have taken it into account during engine design to either reduce the buildup or that even if there's build up, it won't be cause the performance to drop significantly. Well, still a presumption. Always a good idea to avoid short engine runs or long traffic jam/start stop traffic condition.

No car in this kind of price range will apply both direct and indirect injection la...an added cost by maybe at least RM2k or more

For GDI engines, the petrol is injected directly inside the cylinder. Most carbon buildup is at the intake area around the intake valves.

Mainly caused by blowby gasses/PCV. Recommended to use low NOACK engine oil which controls oil evaporation (which goes into the PCV which recycles into the intake) and rev the engine to higher RPM ranges once in a while to burn off those carbon deposits. Long periods of stop go traffic also don't help.

There's a saying "a redline a day keeps the mechanic away"

Use Shell V Power racing instead for a good fuel system clean due to better additives in it. I run 2 full tanks of V Power Racing every 5000km as simple fuel system maintenance. Maybe Petron RON100 also can have similar effect.

This post has been edited by wkc5657: May 26 2016, 04:14 PM

Non direct injected engine also can have carbon buildup to some extent, just not as bad as DI engines.

Technically, what you say here is feasible. But for more recent cars, if you look into the engine bay, you can see paint markings for all nuts/bolts/connectors (usually 2 different colours). The markings will extend out to the unmovable/irremovable portion of the car chassis or parts. I presume this is part of their QC procedure during assembly to ensure the assembly line did their job and also as evidence that the QC did their job.

Another use for these markings can also serve as tamper proofing. Particularly on the nuts and bolts, if you did remove them, bits of paint may come off and you may not be able to fully align the markings together. I did once on my other car to check on the rear lighting and was surprised that I can't align some of the the nuts and bolts' markings. There's the possibility that the service technician may refer back to the service records. If no related servicing was done on that part, they may suspect someone else removed it before.

Then V Power Racing

Why so urgent...want to use it for raya trip back?

Even if can get the first batch, there's a high risk that the delivery may not be able to match your desired delivery timing as everyone crazy want to take this car.

Usually first few batch not the best, subsequent batches (6 months or later) will have improvements as the assembly staff get more familiar and able to fit things better. Also as the parts supply line gets more stable, the QC will also be better, meaning you get better quality parts in it.

Even if offer 5+5+5, then got owner will complain the so called "crap" engine oil that honda use, or the "not so good" type of brake fluid or transmission fluid. Or maybe just to "give face" to Honda warranty, cannot tune the engine or change the exhaust or upgrade to "super-turbocharger", etc....

Some of the weird mentality of malaysians

This is fuel system cleaner.

Not very much, but can cleanup a bit on the cylinder walls.

Not to forget Haval (China brand!!!), Mazda, Ford, Volvo, Peugeot, Citroen, Renault, Infiniti, Lexus...(lost track liao)...

not necessarily so, go sit in one and you realise why the heck the need to buy accord when the new civic interior already that spacious

wa....this thread hot like mad now.

Anyone care to open a dedicated thread in car club section?

Prepare to forgo warranty then

Don't hope on official fuel economy numbers. The 1.5L turbo engine may seem more fuel saving, but only on very light loads. If you drive normal, it is actually more fuel consuming than a normal NA 1.5L engine, should be close to 2.0L fuel consumption realistically (or more if you're hard on the pedal).

Have to remember, a turbocharger's duty is to cram in more air in the cylinder (instead of using a larger cylinder). So to maintain proper air/fuel ratio, more air in cylinder = more fuel needed to be injected.

This post has been edited by wkc5657: Jun 9 2016, 05:08 PM

point this out to the sales advisor and ask them to potong harga

All the maintenance similar to the 1.8L engine. And being a Honda, it should be reliable.

Just take note to let the engine idle for 30 seconds before shutting down if you've driven it hard or ended a long distance drive. It is to allow the turbocharger to cool down. If shut down too early and the engine oil which lubricates the bearing cooks, you'll have bearing failure prematurely and/or the oil supply/return hose will get clogged up with carbon.

You have some point, but with our hotter and more humid weather, it will take longer to cool down. You'll have lot's of dead battery episodes to tell your families about. Besides, i only remember your statement applies to older continental cars of my younger days, but not now.

My family have a very recent mercedes, so does my next door neighbour have a 3 year old BMW, my opposite neighbour with Audi and new S Class but i don't here any fan or motor running after engine off....so.....what do you think

I also have a turbo diesel hyundai SUV as my 2nd family car, engine off, everything off. On it's 6th year and the turbocharger still whir sweetly

that means everyone around me all drive very gently

Nope, have to insist having a short drive before signing, but bring along the sales adviser la. I did that for my new car 6 months ago, no complains by the sales adviser and sales manager.