This guy's testimony is very very relevant.
LYN Christian Fellowship V11 (Group), ALL about Jesus Christ.
LYN Christian Fellowship V11 (Group), ALL about Jesus Christ.
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This guy's testimony is very very relevant. |
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Mar 3 2016, 11:44 AM
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QUOTE(shioks @ Mar 1 2016, 10:34 PM) It's okay to pray for our wants 3 John 1:2 New International Version Dear friend, I pray that you may enjoy good health and that all may go well with you, even as your soul is getting along well. GOD's will is for us to prosper, so don't worry too much if you ask so many "wants"... |
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Mar 3 2016, 11:47 AM
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This guy got captured by ISIS....very good testimony. The Christians in Syria... This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Mar 3 2016, 04:37 PM |
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See how God orchestrated the events in her life and how she a leader in a Jewish community come to believe in Christ.
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Mar 3 2016, 02:21 PM
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Mar 3 2016, 06:17 PM
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QUOTE(shioks @ Mar 2 2016, 10:17 PM) Lol. Subject like this takes a few messages or a conference themselves depending on the scope. If you are interested, I can share the a little bit short version and you can ask for detail later: The more one tries to distinguish the sense of the spirit and the feelings of the soul, the more confused he becomes. It is God's business to divide our spirit from our soul. 1) At least, one could start with the parts of the soul and spirit. The soul is consists of three parts: mind(Proverbs 2:10;Psalm 139:14), emotion (1 Samuel 18:1; 2 Samuel 5:8) and will (Job 7:15; Job 6:7). The spirit is consists too of three parts: conscience (Romans 9:1; Romans 8:16), intuition (First Corinthians 2:11; Mark 2:8) and fellowship (John 4:24). Man's spirit is the noblest part of man; it dwells in man's innermost part. The body is the lowest and remains outside. The soul dwells between the spirit and the body and is the medium of the two. The body is the outer shell of the soul, while the soul is the outer shell of the spirit. When the spirit tries to control the body, it has to do so with the help of the intermediary soul. Before man fell, it was the spirit (through the soul) that controlled the whole being. When the spirit wanted to do something, it communicated to the soul, and the soul activated the body to follow the order of the spirit. This is what it means for the soul to be the medium. In conclusion, the soul is the seat of personality; man's will, intellect, and emotion all lie in the soul. The spirit is the part with which man communicates with the spiritual realm. The body is the part with which man communicates with the physical realm. From here on, when we talk of the soul, we refers to the FALLEN soul who is already corrupted. 2) How can we divide the soul and spirit and discern the difference between the soulish and the spiritual? The Bible shows us that God's word alone is living and operative and able to divide our soul and spirit. Hebrews 4 speaks of the operation of God's word. His word operates not only in man's bone, but in the marrow as well. God's word is operative. If a man has God's word, this word will bring him light. The light in His word will enlighten everything within us. It will make us inwardly clear and divide our soul and our spirit, the soulish and the spiritual. We do not need Bible doctrines or teachings in the letter. We do not need spiritual methods. What we need is the Lord's enlightening. Once God's word comes, His light shines in the innermost part of our being, and the spirit is spontaneously divided from the soul. When a man is clear within, he no longer needs to ask what is soulish and what is spiritual. The dividing of the soul and spirit does not come by asking or research. When the word of God operates in man, the spirit and the soul are divided. At the time of regeneration a believer receives God's life into him, and the law of life begins to operate. Yet many believers have not allowed this law of life to manifest itself. The manifestation of the law of life is hindered when a man lives in the soul. Those who live in their soul do not know the things of the spirit, because the Holy Spirit cannot break through from their spirit. First Corinthians 2:14 says, "But a soulish man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him and he is not able to know them because they are discerned spiritually." Many people are governed by their thoughts, conscience, emotions, sentiments, and ideas in their daily life. No soulish person can know the things of the Spirit. Those who are soulish and those who are spiritual are in two different worlds, two different realms, and two different kingdoms. When a man lives in the soulish realm, he knows nothing of the things of the Spirit, and he considers them to be foolishness. 3) The dividing of soul and spirit simply shows that that, first, God by His Word and through His indwelling Spirit can differentiate experientially the function and expression of the soul from that of the spirit, teaching the believer to know what is the move of the spirit and what is the move of the soul. Second, the willingness of a believer to cooperate causes him experientially to have a pure spiritual life without being affected by the soul. The dividing of soul and spirit is not only the separating of soul and spirit, but the dividing of the soul itself. The dividing of the soul is very meaningful. If the word of life is to reach to our spirit, it has to divide the soul first, for the spirit is surrounded by the soul. The word of the cross pierces and divides the soul and opens the way for the life of God to get into the life of the spirit and free the spirit from the bondage of the soul. The soul-life, having the imprint of the cross, will then keep its submissive position to the spirit. If the soul is not the "channel" for the spirit, it becomes "chains" to the spirit. The soul and the spirit never agree on anything. If the spirit has not attained the supreme position, they will often war against each other. The spirit strives to gain freedom and authority, but the strong soul-life tries its best to suppress it. However, when the soul-life has been worked upon by the cross, the spirit is set free. If the believer does not see the harm done by the soul in not being one with the spirit or in not being willing to be rid of the pleasure of living by feeling, he cannot progress easily. |
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Mar 3 2016, 08:28 PM
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QUOTE(hootiedoo @ Mar 3 2016, 08:17 PM) Then at the end of day, church is no different than DUMNO, which suspended their No.2 and he is accused of being bitter. Do you not see the both parallels? That conclusion can be based on the person's character & trait. You can study the consistency of his/her story..so to a certain extend you can determine if the said person is really bitter and the problem with bitterness, it usually You are not seeing the root cause of the situation. You choose to ignore. You are closing one eye because your bible not allow you to look wider angle for you afraid of being label as a detractor. What I read, is it does make sense because I notice christians are not genuine, only interested in my conversion. After convert then what? Become nasty at me? Your church is having a lot of problems. affect the person's judgement and emotion. But when it comes to accusing a Church is this or that, that is more difficult to ascertain because we have nothing to gauge on a forum. Bear in mind, we never say not to acknowledge if a church has problem but to just be careful not to conclude something that may not be true just because so and so says so. That's all. And I do agree with what you said earlier..to serve man is to serve God, just so that you know where I stand on this issue. --------------- I don't know if that just past you by or you choose to ignore it. |
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Mar 3 2016, 08:31 PM
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double nickers?
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Mar 3 2016, 08:41 PM
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Mar 3 2016, 08:50 PM
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QUOTE(pehkay @ Mar 3 2016, 06:17 PM) Lol. Subject like this takes a few messages or a conference themselves depending on the scope. Thanks for the sharing. This will open up many questions. Example, when you say "May you soul rest in peace." Where does your spirit goes? If you are interested, I can share the a little bit short version and you can ask for detail later: The more one tries to distinguish the sense of the spirit and the feelings of the soul, the more confused he becomes. It is God's business to divide our spirit from our soul. 1) At least, one could start with the parts of the soul and spirit. The soul is consists of three parts: mind(Proverbs 2:10;Psalm 139:14), emotion (1 Samuel 18:1; 2 Samuel 5:8) and will (Job 7:15; Job 6:7). The spirit is consists too of three parts: conscience (Romans 9:1; Romans 8:16), intuition (First Corinthians 2:11; Mark 2:8) and fellowship (John 4:24). Man's spirit is the noblest part of man; it dwells in man's innermost part. The body is the lowest and remains outside. The soul dwells between the spirit and the body and is the medium of the two. The body is the outer shell of the soul, while the soul is the outer shell of the spirit. When the spirit tries to control the body, it has to do so with the help of the intermediary soul. Before man fell, it was the spirit (through the soul) that controlled the whole being. When the spirit wanted to do something, it communicated to the soul, and the soul activated the body to follow the order of the spirit. This is what it means for the soul to be the medium. In conclusion, the soul is the seat of personality; man's will, intellect, and emotion all lie in the soul. The spirit is the part with which man communicates with the spiritual realm. The body is the part with which man communicates with the physical realm. From here on, when we talk of the soul, we refers to the FALLEN soul who is already corrupted. 2) How can we divide the soul and spirit and discern the difference between the soulish and the spiritual? The Bible shows us that God's word alone is living and operative and able to divide our soul and spirit. Hebrews 4 speaks of the operation of God's word. His word operates not only in man's bone, but in the marrow as well. God's word is operative. If a man has God's word, this word will bring him light. The light in His word will enlighten everything within us. It will make us inwardly clear and divide our soul and our spirit, the soulish and the spiritual. We do not need Bible doctrines or teachings in the letter. We do not need spiritual methods. What we need is the Lord's enlightening. Once God's word comes, His light shines in the innermost part of our being, and the spirit is spontaneously divided from the soul. When a man is clear within, he no longer needs to ask what is soulish and what is spiritual. The dividing of the soul and spirit does not come by asking or research. When the word of God operates in man, the spirit and the soul are divided. At the time of regeneration a believer receives God's life into him, and the law of life begins to operate. Yet many believers have not allowed this law of life to manifest itself. The manifestation of the law of life is hindered when a man lives in the soul. Those who live in their soul do not know the things of the spirit, because the Holy Spirit cannot break through from their spirit. First Corinthians 2:14 says, "But a soulish man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him and he is not able to know them because they are discerned spiritually." Many people are governed by their thoughts, conscience, emotions, sentiments, and ideas in their daily life. No soulish person can know the things of the Spirit. Those who are soulish and those who are spiritual are in two different worlds, two different realms, and two different kingdoms. When a man lives in the soulish realm, he knows nothing of the things of the Spirit, and he considers them to be foolishness. 3) The dividing of soul and spirit simply shows that that, first, God by His Word and through His indwelling Spirit can differentiate experientially the function and expression of the soul from that of the spirit, teaching the believer to know what is the move of the spirit and what is the move of the soul. Second, the willingness of a believer to cooperate causes him experientially to have a pure spiritual life without being affected by the soul. The dividing of soul and spirit is not only the separating of soul and spirit, but the dividing of the soul itself. The dividing of the soul is very meaningful. If the word of life is to reach to our spirit, it has to divide the soul first, for the spirit is surrounded by the soul. The word of the cross pierces and divides the soul and opens the way for the life of God to get into the life of the spirit and free the spirit from the bondage of the soul. The soul-life, having the imprint of the cross, will then keep its submissive position to the spirit. If the soul is not the "channel" for the spirit, it becomes "chains" to the spirit. The soul and the spirit never agree on anything. If the spirit has not attained the supreme position, they will often war against each other. The spirit strives to gain freedom and authority, but the strong soul-life tries its best to suppress it. However, when the soul-life has been worked upon by the cross, the spirit is set free. If the believer does not see the harm done by the soul in not being one with the spirit or in not being willing to be rid of the pleasure of living by feeling, he cannot progress easily. In any case, Watchmen Nee has a book called The Breaking of The Outer Man and The Release of Spirit. Probably, for one to fully understand the works of spirit, your outer man needs to be broken. |
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Mar 2 2016, 11:13 PM) Yeah right. Guys like you don't appreciate what women do to get in shape.That's why I don't post personal pics in FB, twitter, instagram anymore. When I'm slim, they said I'm skinny. When I'm fat they said I'm a whale. QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Mar 3 2016, 08:24 AM) The underwater cable is broken and needed repair. Sites in the US will be slower. Estimated time of completion for repairs is end of march. And the repairs only starts end of March?! Seriously? My tenants complaining dude. |
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Mar 3 2016, 09:14 PM) Yeah right. Guys like you don't appreciate what women do to get in shape. Ask god for help That's why I don't post personal pics in FB, twitter, instagram anymore. When I'm slim, they said I'm skinny. When I'm fat they said I'm a whale. And the repairs only starts end of March?! Seriously? My tenants complaining dude. Jokes aside. Just tell them the news. You cant do anything lol. Just need to be patience. This post has been edited by AthrunIJ: Mar 3 2016, 09:16 PM |
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Mar 3 2016, 09:19 PM
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Mar 3 2016, 09:14 PM) Yeah right. Guys like you don't appreciate what women do to get in shape. I'm really joking on that matter That's why I don't post personal pics in FB, twitter, instagram anymore. When I'm slim, they said I'm skinny. When I'm fat they said I'm a whale. And the repairs only starts end of March?! Seriously? My tenants complaining dude. Speaking aside about unifi really hate it when they announce only going to start repair by end of this month |
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Mar 3 2016, 09:25 PM
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Ah yes, I need help on one matter, I'm selling off my new Xperia z5 dual green unopened just got it today selling at 2800 price is negotiable
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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Mar 3 2016, 04:19 PM) I got some lobbying at church to do atm. I watch so many indoctrinated n brainwashed single guys. Sometimes where they are today - single and bitter, is due to wrong believe that serving will bless them with what they want. We served in church because of our dedication to God, not Men. A church is not perfect, Jesus started it so that He can bring together all the imperfect Christians to worship God and appreciate God's grace.Serving is a blessing, but it is the blessing of being able to serve God, the feeling of awe and doing good for God. Not the feeling of you are better than others, or you can demand more from others because you serve (this is the mentality taught by most mainstream churches these days). The church nowadays teach the congregation to give give and give, creates a very unkind and self centered followers. Matthew 6:33 has been often abused by the church to manipulate and make congregation to think that serving will bless them with abundance- "But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you". Seek His kingdom and His righteousness ! It does not mean serving alone ! It means all rounder christian life ! If you can serve and give your time to the poor and needy but go back home and be nasty and unkind to your brother, is that seeking His righteousness? If eg, that dude who serve like a mad pig in charis church, but I often see him in bible study (by the way we were in the same cg for 3 years !), don't say hello, his excuse is because he is tired and too much things in his mind, is he edifying his brother by ignoring him? He is not seeking righteousness. Ok, granted I am not perfect, but I am not pointing out he is a wrong person, because I also do wrong. I may have a speck or big rock in my eye, when he also may have a speck or big rock in his eye. Jesus say whoever who have never sin, cast the first stone. But what I am trying to point out is the wrong doctrine that church is expousing these days, creating more burn out serving members, because they have the wrong concept of serving. Many serve for their self centeredness and to increase their inheritance in heaven, and also pay up their ritual sin tax (give > receive) instead of going to church to be the salt and light of the earth ! Our mindset has to change. Its not about building mega church, with the excuse of going around out there the region to harvest and evangelise. We must continue to evangelise and edify one another. Jesus don't want the perfect ones, he wants the sinners to come and those people come to church to serve and be humble before God. A church will never be perfect. Because we are all sinful people. We need each other in church whether we like to admit it. A strong church community is very important. For unity and fellowship amongst Christians. We can't help it when others are snobbish, arrogant, etc...Jesus still accepts us eventhough we are flawed from the beginning. To serve God, not Men. |
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Mar 3 2016, 09:33 PM
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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Mar 3 2016, 09:16 PM) Ask god for help Oh yeah, I asked everyday. I want a body like Victoria Secret model. Jokes aside. Just tell them the news. You cant do anything lol. Just need to be patience. QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Mar 3 2016, 09:19 PM) I'm really joking on that matter Eventhough it sucks, as a consumer we still have to pay. Speaking aside about unifi really hate it when they announce only going to start repair by end of this month QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Mar 3 2016, 09:25 PM) Ah yes, I need help on one matter, I'm selling off my new Xperia z5 dual green unopened just got it today selling at 2800 price is negotiable Why do you want to sell it when you just bought it? gg.com? |
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Xperia z5 in Germany selling for €700++
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