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SUSlowya
post Jun 8 2021, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(squarepilot @ Jun 8 2021, 10:48 AM)
China is well known for say one thing, do another thing

They have to support their own factories too
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I wasn't into china but it was a reply to ChAOoz concerning china's standpoint.

btw, Serbadk made all time low record.
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post Jun 8 2021, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Jun 8 2021, 11:20 AM)
Thats the point. The price is up due partly to china action and also due to logistics prices.

Both of the key factors are not due to the company itself. Hence the price does not have durability, or some call it durable advantage. Once external factor dissipate what is preventing one from bag holdings an uncompetitive and unprofitable company ?
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i guess you have seen the financial data, but may i know what gave you the idea of the above?
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post Jun 8 2021, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Jun 8 2021, 12:45 PM)
You look at any Malaysia Steel mill post beijing olympic and you will know. They have problem sustaining their profitability and the company experience wild swings in profit and it's uncompetitive overall in the global market.

Lucky our local government imposed anti-dumping measures. But if i see any industry have tongkat, like Proton, Silterra etc. I know they are not competitive already without needing to deep dive into it.
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i was asking about the company's financials.
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post Jun 8 2021, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Jun 8 2021, 01:42 PM)
Look at 2020 Annual Report, under Balance Sheet: Retained earnings/(Accumulated losses) and also FY2020 Net (loss) / profit attributable to equity holder.

You will know why steel is boom and bust and why MELEWAR is not competitive enough. Never ever buy them during a Boom cycle. If you need to buy them, perhaps a position should already be established during the bust cycle.
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okthat is a relevant valid point. But how do u know when it's a bust cycle?

Catching it at bust cycle is a riskier game, u might get stuck for years long before the cycle turns, from downtrend to uptrend easily half a year time to turn. So since now that we see global inflation and china is going to push steel price further, just ride the trend, unless u want to wait for next few years to enter.

I don't know how to catch it at bust, like serbadk how do u catch it at bust? Melewar's valuation is technically a steal.

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post Jun 8 2021, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(jetzxp @ Jun 8 2021, 01:50 PM)
Anyone still holding gloves ?  cry.gif

Not sure I should cut or hold
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it's the opposite (or absence) of the reason(s) you told yourself when you entered.
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QUOTE(Batusai @ Jun 8 2021, 01:49 PM)
Hi Guys,

beginner investor here.

Would like to know where I can check the respective industry which stocks are involved in?

eg tech, oil n gas, banking finance, gloves, etc?

Like a summary or list we can refer to?
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you did not say what you like to use to compare them.
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jun 8 2021, 02:41 PM)
operation wise seems like serba is doing quite well. But are they going to do the cooking to burn their future? they have good future, holding 2 major onshore maintenance contracts with petronas and maybe alot more with smaller contracts here and there. this definitely will fuk up their reputation.

some of the KPMG findings are very mundane, like the one about the letter send to home instead of office  sweat.gif
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did u check serbadk's net debt?
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QUOTE(infested_ysy @ Jun 8 2021, 09:52 AM)
not gonna buy your bag
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Bag is going to be full of cash, jom Melewar, tapi jangan melewat ya.
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QUOTE(squarepilot @ Jun 10 2021, 11:59 AM)
Local Market no demand for steel. Steel player all syok sendiri. Price dumping in local market coming soon
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it's not a single reason decision making process, but i shall not cover here.
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post Jun 11 2021, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(Aparaa @ Jun 11 2021, 08:59 AM)
how do u play with it? can teach? sorry i forgot my childhood memory.
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QUOTE(infested_ysy @ Jun 8 2021, 09:52 AM)
not gonna buy your bag
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sudah Melewat ka? akan Meletup da

show us your bag, what's inside your current bag?
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post Jun 11 2021, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(lauwenhan @ Jun 11 2021, 12:06 PM)
Steel still have a chance though I bought the dip again today
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how many kg of stainless steel you bought?
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post Jun 14 2021, 09:52 AM

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just curious, anyone holding melewar here?
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Guys, Supermx worth your time, take a look.
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QUOTE(lowya @ Jun 8 2021, 09:51 AM)
has anyone here take a look at MELEWAR yet? it's worth your time.
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i guess no one here took a look, except 2 persons, 4 days later.

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post Jun 15 2021, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Jun 15 2021, 11:20 AM)
I think only you bought. Good for you, but malaysian steel to me is something i cannot buy.

Good luck to you, hope the rally could turn into bagger for you.
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this place is dead without interesting interactions, where are the old timers like vanguard?
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post Jun 16 2021, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(Taikor.Taikun @ Jun 16 2021, 03:43 PM)
Whats happening to steel? Press Metal waterfall
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easy

PMETAL PE 72, PTBV 11

now compare with Melewar.
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QUOTE(coldbasecamp @ Jun 16 2021, 11:56 PM)
was planning to enter Melewar, saw your post I just noticed uncle KYY have published an article to push the share price  doh.gif
bola kecut.

generally I won't touch any stocks that recommended by uncle.  rclxub.gif
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if u know how to evaluate stocks, your decision would not be clouded by others, whatever other people do (or didn't do) should not be a part of your decision making process.

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post Jun 17 2021, 08:42 AM

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QUOTE(coldbasecamp @ Jun 17 2021, 08:24 AM)
yah indeed, if one is confident with its fundamental and prospect, it shouldn't be an issue.

just that I had bad experience where stock that I was aiming was "pushed" by uncle and when uncle left, the market sentiment screwed up for that stock.  doh.gif
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as shown in the example, i go in before he came up with his own conclusion, if according to your bad experience bias decision making, i would have became wrong because he end up buying it too?
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QUOTE(coldbasecamp @ Jun 17 2021, 09:36 AM)
then congrats, his "effect" has been in favour for you.
well, some of the stocks I "coincidentally" also looking, but uncle posted before I bought  bye.gif
and some of the stocks I hold before his article (and I believe its intrinsic value), dropped tremendously after up for 1 or 2 days.
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as i said, his effect or not does not make any difference at all in terms of favor or not, doesn't change the fundamental of the company at all unless the price has moved drastically, in that example there is still ample headroom, the post was just pointing out the coincidence of the timing.

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