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post Sep 20 2020, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(ZeroSOFInfinity @ Sep 20 2020, 09:10 PM)
8 days. There is still 1 1/2 weeks to go. One last attempt before it end.
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MY BAD LOL, shit. I will edit the post above to prevent misinformation spreading
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post Sep 20 2020, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(HereToLearn @ Sep 20 2020, 08:48 PM)
Subtle signs of liquidity leaving the market. 8 more days to moratorium ending. 6 more weeks to loan repayment deadline. Goreng will be more difficult after this
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post Sep 21 2020, 12:18 AM

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After moratorium flushes out all the weak holders, can consider buy in slowly monthly

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...ions-attractive
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post Sep 21 2020, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(lowya @ Sep 21 2020, 09:54 AM)
a question every Topglove holders should answer:

Why NTA this Q dropped to only RM0.61?!

which is almost historical low?

Something is not adding up.
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Not a TG holder, but BI is the explanation
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post Sep 21 2020, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(HereToLearn @ Sep 21 2020, 12:18 AM)
After moratorium flushes out all the weak holders, can consider buy in slowly monthly

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...ions-attractive
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Whoever wants to buy cheap stocks for long term investment, should wait patiently for the moratorium flushing, especially those with heavy retail participation.
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post Sep 21 2020, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(lowya @ Sep 21 2020, 10:11 AM)
what is BI and how do u explain it?
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Split everything into 3, include NTA, dividedns and earnings cause your total share number increases 3 times

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post Sep 21 2020, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Sep 21 2020, 11:44 AM)
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Yeah, with liquidity going out, share price only downtrend (price is only as good as what the next buyer willing to pay), buy for capital gain sure gg.

They switch the money from stock to bonds
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post Sep 21 2020, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(enixcv123 @ Sep 21 2020, 02:53 PM)
supermax getting uglier, maybe  have to wait 1-2 more days
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QUOTE(kembayang @ Sep 21 2020, 02:56 PM)
The trading volumes are getting lower.
If this phenomenon continues prices might not have big moves.
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Retailers participation are getting lesser and lesser for the next upcoming 6 weeks. With no new buyers, the counters (gloves, pharma) with very high retailer participation are very likely to drop.

Whatever stocks that you want to buy, might as well wait 6 more weeks. Confirm there will be people who are forced to sell their stocks at loss for loan repayment, and will trigger a panic selling spiral.
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post Sep 21 2020, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Sep 21 2020, 04:56 PM)
dow futures -600...

banks getting screwed... becos of irregularities alleged in stanchart, hsbc.

u can be sure they will be many reds, incl banks. biggrin.gif
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The records show that five global banks — JPMorgan, HSBC, Standard Chartered Bank, Deutsche Bank and Bank of New York Mellon — kept profiting from powerful and dangerous players even after US authorities fined these financial institutions for earlier failures to stem flows of dirty money.

It’s the nature of banking: They move money,”. “So despite all the efforts to crack down on this, there’ll always be some criminal money moving through the banking system. It’s very small portion of the trillions of dollars they handle every day.” One example highlighted in the report: JPMorgan moved more than US$1 billion for the fugitive financier behind Malaysia’s 1MDB scandal, based on records.
https://www.malaysiakini.com/news/543395
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A total of 23 transactions involving Malaysian banks were flagged as “suspicious” by United States banks in a recent document leaks, with over US$4.88 million (RM20 million) going in and US$13.38 million (RM55 million) going out.

In the Treasury’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) document leaks, the bulk of the suspicious transactions sent was by Public Bank Bhd at US$13.37 million in seven transactions, followed by OCBC Bank at US$10,100.

Meanwhile, AmBank lead the list of suspicious transactions received at US$2.9 million in two transactions, followed by HSBC Bank Malaysia Bhd (US$871,637) and Alliance Bank Malaysia Bhd (US$462,378).

Other banks in the list included United Overseas Bank, CIMB Bank Bhd, and Standard Chartered Bank.
https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...suspici/1905127

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post Sep 21 2020, 05:24 PM

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expects the local market to continue on a downward trend in the next few weeks and, probably, through October, although he is not overly worried. “When more news about vaccines comes out, we may see a further correction in the glove stocks, which will pull down the index.”

Key risks to the market
- [local] market may see a snap election in 1Q2021
- profit-taking/loss-cuting activity is inevitable with the ending of the grace period for loan repayments
- Petroliam Nasional Bhd’s (Petronas) weak financial results
- foreign funds to remain as net sellers until the end of the year

Other comments:
- technology stocks for their long-term growth prospects.
- financial stocks to play along with the recovery theme
- glove stocks are just a short-term play
- fund managers would probably position themselves on value and cyclical stocks, such as plantations, banking, utilities and dividend yielding stocks
- construction stocks may get a boost if the Kuala Lumpur-Singapore High-Speed Rail and Mass Rapid Transit 3 projects go through

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/anal...on-not-alarming

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post Sep 22 2020, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(ZeroSOFInfinity @ Sep 22 2020, 09:03 AM)
Eih the drop is not as bad as imagined. Now almost green.
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Maybe just the banks in the US. Last time 2011 US banks crashed, MY banks went higher
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post Sep 22 2020, 04:56 PM

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Wow everything is green in KLCI. Nice!!
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post Sep 22 2020, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(Duckies @ Sep 22 2020, 09:07 PM)
Positivity is better than those who always say crash, bubble burst, please sell all and etc etc when glove counters are diving
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I think both side of the voices are equally important. The real horror begins when you stop seeing people discussing about the hot counters (reduced interest and enthusiasm in the stocks), e.g. pohkong, tomei, niche - lower lows and lower highs with no signs of coming back to life.

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post Sep 23 2020, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(ZeroSOFInfinity @ Sep 23 2020, 10:48 AM)
Wow. Will this cause panic and problems in KLSE later on?

ANWAR TO MAKE ANNOUCEMENT ON NOON TODAY. SOURCE SAYS ON MAJORITY IN PARLIAMENT
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Do update us on the announcement later. Thanks
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post Sep 23 2020, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(skty @ Sep 23 2020, 11:04 AM)
good to go for re-election.

foreign funds will start coming back in.  biggrin.gif
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FDI actually increased in the bond market for the past few months. They were (maybe still are) selling equities and buying debt securities

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...malaysian-bonds
Malaysian bonds are garnering strong interest from foreign buyers and this trend will likely remain till year-end amid the uncertainty and glaring headwinds.

This might be due to the the bond spread as a result of higher yielding Malaysian bonds

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post Sep 23 2020, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(HereToLearn @ Sep 23 2020, 11:11 AM)
FDI actually increased in the bond market for the past few months. They were (maybe still are) selling equities and buying debt securities

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...malaysian-bonds
Malaysian bonds are garnering strong interest from foreign buyers and this trend will likely remain till year-end amid the uncertainty and glaring headwinds.

This might be due to the the bond spread as a result of higher yielding Malaysian bonds
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Bond market is expected to spike higher if Malaysian bonds will remain in the WGBI index (most likely will remain - which we will know by end of this month). If remained, more foreign fund MIGHT be selling equities and buying bonds.

One of the ways to improve the stock market is to reduce the bond yield.
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post Sep 23 2020, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(greyshadow @ Sep 23 2020, 11:30 AM)
perfect storm brewing? hmm.gif
oil price crash + gold price crash + political uncertainty?

12pm DSAI announce he has majority?
2:30pm Muddin announce cabinet dissolve, GE15 incoming?
3pm repeat of March Bursa bloodbath?
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Just buy into bonds, if you are afraid of share market crashing again. Bonds usually rise in the latter stage of contraction.
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post Sep 23 2020, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(skty @ Sep 23 2020, 12:27 PM)
for us with limited funds, never ever go and buy bonds.

I posted this before earlier in this thread:

Car “A” is moving backward at speed 20 km/hr. Car “B” is moving backward at speed 30 km/hr. It may look like car “A” is moving forward.
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Buying bond funds doesnt need a huge capital, even RM100 can buy. Only buying corporate bonds need min of RM250k

I dont get what you mean using the cars analogy...
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post Sep 23 2020, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Sep 23 2020, 12:36 PM)
Part 2 at 2.30pm.

PM to address nation at 2.30pm today (Sept 23)
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2020...dnesday-sept-23

yes, no, maybe, see how... biggrin.gif
most likely it will be chaotic.. market in jitters.
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Looking at the title, I am expecting more stimulus from fiscal policy. Maybe another liquidity driven bull run, few weeks after moratorium
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post Sep 23 2020, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(EBBattlefield @ Sep 23 2020, 12:41 PM)
1200 KLSE....here we come again rclxm9.gif
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If prihatin is injecting liquidity again, can consider longing the FKLI index

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