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icemanfx
post May 29 2020, 07:46 PM

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Malaysian stocks entered bull territory as glove makers extended their record rally.

The FTSE Bursa Malaysia KLCI Index closed 1.1% higher on Friday, extending its gain from a low in March to 21%. The country is home to the world’s biggest glove makers Top Glove Corp. and Hartalega Holdings Bhd., which have surged in recent weeks due to rising demand for protective equipment during the global coronavirus pandemic.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/202...a&sref=bZ8VXc8U

It seems bursa is detached from companies performance and the economy. This bullrun is largely pushed by retail investors and fuelled by SMF.

Believe many use cash surplus from loan moratorium to chase the uptrend. How long this bull run could last may be known sooner than expected.

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post May 30 2020, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(TechnoG @ May 29 2020, 10:23 PM)
I do admit I am.

My portfolio can be up 35% one week and down 3% two days later. Lost money on O&G using contra after cashing out on healthcare.

as long as my net return stays above current FD rate, I’m more than happy to roll a dice with better odds than casinos.
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QUOTE(Bendan520 @ May 29 2020, 10:57 PM)
Haha true to that, but look at amazon, their stocks PE ratio are crazily high as well. Consumer confidence/sentiment matters..
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QUOTE(Bendan520 @ May 29 2020, 10:58 PM)
Goddamn right, earned my annual income in a week. Gamble or not, I'm in.
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ May 29 2020, 11:30 PM)
Yup, the stock market is doing all right - on a bull run.

This is because I am seeing a lot of new forumers here for the first time who are coming out from the shadows.  smile.gif

One day the party will end for sure but for the time being, let’s just enjoy the ride.

Again I repeat - just remember to protect your downside and your backside.
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BULL RUN, UP UP UP

As many use surplus cash from loan moratorium to invest in stock market, could expect more buying until September. However, price crash tend to be sooner than most expected.

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post May 30 2020, 07:48 PM

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The Malaysian economy is about to feel the full brunt of the coronavirus pandemic.

After posting its slowest growth since the global financial crisis, the economy is set to slip into a recession in the next four to six months, the country’s top statistician said.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/202...s?sref=bZ8VXc8U

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post May 31 2020, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(darkspirit @ May 31 2020, 11:31 AM)
Planned to buy XOX next week because volume surge so high but quarterly report so bad sad.gif...
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Typical trend chasing.
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post May 31 2020, 08:51 PM

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QUOTE(MasterConfucion @ May 31 2020, 07:52 PM)
hopefully but there no fundamental like glove counters. this kind of time where got attractive property
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When the market is hot; any news, reason or rumour is a cause for price rise.

QUOTE(ronnie @ May 31 2020, 07:55 PM)
Any rumors behind this move ?
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By the time average Joe hear the rumour, is about time to sell.

QUOTE(woonsc @ May 31 2020, 08:45 PM)
cool2.gif  I will bet that market trend will start to follow gloves.  devil.gif
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When the market is in bull run, almost every sector will be up one after another.

Trend chasing is one powerful movement could cause any price to rise exponentially.

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post Jun 1 2020, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(questnetter @ Jun 1 2020, 11:24 AM)
LATEST NEWS: K1 is the only Malaysian company secured 1 of the 21 licenses from NASA for Covid19 Ventilators. 331 companies applied, and 21 got it, 8 from US, 1 from Malaysia (K1).

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/eight-us...-19-ventilator/

List of selected companies for the 21 licenses:
https://medeng.jpl.nasa.gov/covid-19/ventil...r/registration/

Buy now before it flies like the glove stocks
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Ventilator is limited to hospital use. license will be given to more companies in due course.

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post Jun 1 2020, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(ipat88 @ Jun 1 2020, 06:00 PM)
well, in my opinion glove stock will continue to rise further.

vaccine probably won’t arrive any time soon. Never ever we released a coronavirus vaccine for humans before and the record for developing an entirely new vaccine is at least four years.

At this point you might be asking, Why are all these research teams announcing such optimistic forecasts 12-18 month timeline?
because they’re writing this for their shareholders, investors, not for public health

So lets say these biotech company able produce a viable vaccine in just 12 to 18 months, that doesn’t mean you’re going to get it. Millions/billions of people could be in line before you.

so, demand for glove will continue to rise, even before covid19, estimated growth rate of global demand for glove is around 8% per year and now US-China trade war, EU-China covid blame/unblame game will further benefit our local glove manufacturers greatly.

personally i think this is not a bubble,this is a 'new normal' stock. but not for all glove counters, probably 1-2 company only lah.
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China has commissioned thousands of face masks production line in a short period of time, will similarly repeat the same for gloves factory. when these new gloves factory are in production, latex price will rise and squeeze gloves margin from both sides

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post Jun 1 2020, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(anakMY @ Jun 1 2020, 07:09 PM)
I wonder is it really that there are so many cash rich people. Economy is not going though, but the trading volume for the past week for extraordinary
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Share margin finance and surplus cash from loan moratorium.

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post Jun 1 2020, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(jvcpcv55 @ Jun 1 2020, 09:51 PM)
you think gloves factory can build from "a short period of time" ????

please go do more home works,

maybe you could check with HLT Subsidiary

HL Advance Technologies (M) Sdn Bhd how many years needed to build one factory
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Let's wait and see.

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post Jun 1 2020, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(ipat88 @ Jun 1 2020, 10:42 PM)
with current trade war situation, even if China manage to build factory in short period of time and produce million/billions of glove per month, US n EU will still prefer not to buy from them. China is US biggest threat as world's leading economic. The US government recently announced that it will be increasing the tariff rate on imports from China, from 10% to 25%, on an estimated US$200bil worth of annual imports. and fyi, half of US glove imports from China were vinyl gloves and Vinyl gloves are commonly used in non-medical fields. As such, there could be potentially higher demand for rubber gloves, which will benefit Malaysian glove makers.

Meanwhile relations between China and the European Union have soured over the China mishandling of the covid19 pandemic, with the EU now emphasizing more autonomy. Some EU members are pursuing policies to slash their dependence on China. So, again it will benefit Malaysia glove makers greatly.
btw, latest news, China ordered state-run companies to stop the purchases of some U.S. products such as soybeans n pork... so sifu, who's stock to buy next?  icon_idea.gif
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tariff is unlikely to deter china from producing and exporting rubber gloves.

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post Jun 2 2020, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jun 2 2020, 09:42 AM)
Most of the stocks that I sold did not rebounce. In fact, they fell further after I sold them.
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post Jun 2 2020, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(MasterConfucion @ Jun 2 2020, 09:46 AM)
damn it!! bubble burst?!!
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QUOTE(theberry @ Jun 2 2020, 09:47 AM)
profit taking early morning
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Nothing rise in straight line. in every bull run, there are numerous pull back, profit taking, etc. if the bull is energized, will charge further until exhausted.
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post Jun 2 2020, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(questnetter @ Jun 2 2020, 11:18 AM)
For those who thinks that K1 only has NASA ventilator business, please read here yourself. PPE, mask, glove, etc..

https://www.k-one.com/index.php/k-one-business/medical

on top of this, strong IT line business also in Cloud computing.
Medical + IT, both are strong sectors now
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QUOTE(questnetter @ Jun 2 2020, 11:22 AM)
Current wave yes, mainly thanks to NASA ventilators license, sole license approval in ASEAN.
Another wave will come when Nasal Swab is approved by MOH, FDA certification from US already get, don't see why MOH should not approve.
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Implying the business model is to ride the wave to make money from shareholders rather than from operation.

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post Jun 2 2020, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jun 2 2020, 12:27 PM)
I don’t think the party is over yet.

It is impossible for the glove stocks to go up non-stop continuously. Surely at some point they will retrace.

Otherwise, I would have remortgaged my house, took a personal loan, activated my margin facility, etc to sai lang all into glove counters. My profit would have been at least RM1 million.

Sadly, there is no such free lunch in this world. 😃
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those who did this early may have made >$1m, many will for the next shot to the moon.

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post Jun 2 2020, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 2 2020, 03:52 PM)
It is about the wind blow in which direction.
Market sometimes is irrational in short term especially currently retailers are at frenzy sentiment.

Even MCO ended, overseas visitors which is one of important revenue, may not come back soon and in a big wave.

Until vaccine is there or Covid disappear, the previous normal is still long way to go.
So trade cautiously. It is not like totally back to normal and rosy for hospitality services.

It takes times.
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In the short term, the market is on random walk.

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post Jun 3 2020, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(ChaNzy @ Jun 3 2020, 08:30 AM)
Whatever I have learnt about economics throughout these years doesn’t seem to apply here recently sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jun 3 2020, 08:59 AM)
Whatever I have learned for the past 20 years about investing can throw out from the window.  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(EnterYourName @ Jun 3 2020, 09:17 AM)
crazy gloves getting corrected
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In the short term, the market is on random walk. when herd behaviour overtake economic fundamental, herd sentiment determine the direction until over the cliff or slaughterhouse.

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post Jun 3 2020, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jun 3 2020, 09:30 AM)
What a horrible morning. I tried to sell Supermax and Top Gloves via the Rakuten Trade online but the system kept hanging.

The unrealised profit was dropping by the minute. From RM22K plus, it dropped all the way to RM14,655.15 before I managed to unload it all by using the Ispeed app.

At least I managed to escape with my underwear intact.

P/S: I guess this is the disadvantage of using Rakuten. Cheap trading fees but not so stable platform?
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Nothing goes up in straight line, there is always price correction, profit taking, fall back, etc. many are addicted and more are waiting to jump in; if new money is available, there will be another charge to new nigh until exhausted.

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post Jun 3 2020, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(crystalclearlah @ Jun 3 2020, 10:26 AM)
Who's going to trade in big volumes now to save those stuck at yesterday glove prices.
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When price up swing again, more people will jump in.

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post Jun 4 2020, 10:10 AM

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Malaysia will double online settlement limits this year as the rush of small investors into stocks helped push the market into bull territory.

The Securities Commission will allow up to 100,000 ringgit ($23,500) daily online settlement in the second half, from the current limit of 30,000 to 50,000 ringgit, Executive Chairman Syed Zaid Albar said in an emailed response to questions.

The benchmark FTSE Bursa Malaysia KLCI Index has risen more than 20% from a low in March, led mainly by glove makers, with trading volume hitting a record 11 billion shares. Individual investors are finding more time to flock into stocks from their homes amid a nationwide lockdown, spurred on by relatively cheap stocks amid low interest rates.

Such investors opened 54% more accounts from January to April compared with the same period in 2019, according to Muhamad Umar Swift, chief executive officer of Bursa Malaysia Bhd. They were also more active, with the daily trading value surging 65% in April from a year ago, he added.

While foreign funds pulled $3.2 billion from Malaysian stocks this year, local individual investors have poured in 4.03 billion ringgit, Muhamad said. The KLCI index surged 2.1% on Wednesday to the highest close since February as banking stocks surged.

https://www.bloomberg.com/

UUU/BBB

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post Jun 4 2020, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jun 4 2020, 10:56 AM)
Here we go again. The glove stocks rally again. Strap in your seat belts ladies and gentlemen.
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Those were on sidelines and new joiners will jump in to push to new high.

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