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MedElite23
post Dec 7 2020, 08:21 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Dec 7 2020, 02:00 AM)
Happening nearer than many wished.
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post Dec 7 2020, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(Bendan520 @ Dec 7 2020, 05:53 PM)
Glove counters keep tumbling down but the uncles here very positive about it keep on collecting 😅

Each day technical bearish sign appear but everyone seems so happy about it wanna collect more. Collect until RM4 for supermax?
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It almost feels wrong to be optimistic now eh? This is coming from someone who cut loss at 20k eh..whether recuperated or not,must be a heart wrecking experience brows.gif
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post Dec 9 2020, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 9 2020, 11:37 AM)
you talk very loud.

as if you know the future.

be a bit more humble, please.
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Sure he wouldn’t have said so if he was still holding gloves. So much bitterness after he realized 20k paper loss,scroll back to his old comment you’ll find it. These people usually disappear when they’re proven wrong,but takes all the credit and disregard the role of luck when it HAPPENS to be right,which is no better than flipping a coin haha

This post has been edited by MedElite23: Dec 9 2020, 11:42 AM
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post Dec 9 2020, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(Bendan520 @ Dec 9 2020, 11:44 AM)
Tsk tsk I aint bitter.. I have earned more than 100k from gloves.. and I sure love gloves.. I am waiting for my opportunity as well. my experience to myself is never fell in love towards a counter..

I'm just following the money trail.. giving 20k back is ok.

it just ticks me when you guys betting on gloves like going to genting lol..

people who pray for gloves should be long in /k/ not here..
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Okie Ok lorrr if “giving back” is the term you so prefer to use to...haha tongue.gif


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post Dec 11 2020, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Dec 11 2020, 02:18 PM)
Eh based on this statement

"KUALA LUMPUR: Public Bank Bhd has proposed four bonus shares for every one share held, the first ever for the bank as it aims to reward existing shareholders for their loyalty and continuous support."

i tot is 1 lot give u 4 lot? mean 22x 1/4
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Yes you’re right, meaning if you have 1 lot (100 shares), the next day you will have 500 shares in total. If the share closes at rm22/share the day before, next day the share price will readjust to become rm4.40. rclxm9.gif
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post Dec 12 2020, 03:44 PM

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Essentially glove demand stems from the need for screening,tracing,treating purposes as we witness the high number of cases over the world and the numbers are still far from a deceleration,much less getting controlled.

Confirmation bias leads some of us to have a tunneled vision by only focusing on using gloves for vaccination per se,ironically..

Now in order for the glove demand to slow down,one of the pre requisite criteria would be the rate of recovery and people getting vaccinated surpass the rate of people getting infected, I think it’s faster for someone getting infected than for someone to undergo the tedious process of getting vaccinated. And don’t forget,not everybody wants nor dares to,nor even have the access to vaccination,so the math isn’t really hard in this case,and we’re talking about scenarios 1-2 years from now..

As some of us here have mentioned earlier,the economy is detached from the stock market now,I wonder how long this bullish pattern can sustain..all it takes is a second hit, and voila! A repetition of March crackdown may inflict a larger social economical impact..coupled with political instability in our country plus the drama between trump and biden..

Of course these are just my train of thoughts regarding the illusion that we’re back to recovery mode, but only time can tell what’s in store for us in the coming years..

This post has been edited by MedElite23: Dec 12 2020, 03:53 PM
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post Dec 12 2020, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 12 2020, 04:08 PM)
flipside of the coin - when others give high tp, reject aa... 1 give low TP, clap hands and cheer. laugh.gif
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Ouch...don’t liddat laa...later ppl terasa ohh.. tongue.gif tongue.gif
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post Dec 16 2020, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Dec 16 2020, 05:27 PM)
This is getting boring as fuck... Everyday glove glove glove....
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Luckily this is not kopitiam tered..inb4 “Lu tak suka lu keluar!” laugh.gif
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post Dec 16 2020, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Dec 16 2020, 06:45 PM)
I never bought glove except one time 10 years ago buy hartalega RM8... Wish I kept it... Almost 10x return...
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The next best opportunity to invest in glove companies is now. If not 10 years down the road when spmax is worth rm20/share you will lament of not buying at rm7 today rclxm9.gif tongue.gif
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post Dec 16 2020, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Dec 16 2020, 09:36 PM)
Since when one need to be footballer to talk about football, F1 driver to talk about car, topg shareholder to talk about topg, preacher to talk religion?

Bystanders tend to have a better perspective than players.
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Of course they can talk about it, anyone can opine as they like. But because they got no skin in the game,their opinion carries less of a weightage. No offense laugh.gif
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post Dec 16 2020, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Dec 16 2020, 09:49 PM)
If losing money or below water, carry what weight?
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People lose money their business la, they not using your money to invest also haha tongue.gif
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post Dec 17 2020, 08:02 AM

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QUOTE(lauwenhan @ Dec 17 2020, 07:38 AM)
Lol true The Edge is garbage paid shills to do PR for companies. Don’t know how many newbies got screwed by The Edge for buying on news and ended up getting slaughtered. Seriously, the sell on news mentality needs to stop if the news is genuinely positive for the company
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That’s why it’s so crucial to have independent thoughts in the stock market. Can listen to others’ opinion la,but better to just take it with a pinch of salt if we got a strong conviction to the stocks we pick and the justification behind it..

If all these so called analysts are so good at predicting,why couldn’t they predict the tech bubble crisis,asia financial crisis and subprime mortgage crisis consistently?

Maybe a few of them could la,but hey if you roll the dice enough number of times, it’s not that hard to get a few correct in a row haha.. biggrin.gif
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post Dec 17 2020, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Dec 17 2020, 09:23 AM)
Let me explain why I think it's so not okay. My view la... share only.

When the company makes such a huge and risky investment in the stock market, it's a MOVE AWAY from its core business.

Is Tropicana core business that bad/poor?

Currently, Tropicana (9 qtrs) profit after tax is 16.7 million. Sales is 246 million. That's about a 6.7%.

b4 the stock purchase, Tropicana had 700 million plus in cash but they carried borrowings worth some 3.2 billion, and the financial cost is 38 million per quarter.

Which means, Tropicana is used to buy shares in the chairman company using borrowed money la.

That is so not okay from my point of view.
The past few days, the chart of Tropicana clearly indicated that after the initial purchase of TG shares, there are massive SELLING. The stock had closed 10% lower on heavy volume.

So now TG boss, as chairman of Tropicana is getting Tropicana to buyback shares of Tropicana?  mega_shok.gif

How can this ever be ok from Tropicana shareholder's point of view? Who benefits more from Tropicana's purchase of TG shares? Tropicana shareholder or TG boss?
and lastly for Top Glove shareholders, they really got to look at their boss...
Look at his recent actions...

TG share buyback...
Tropicana buy TG shares...
ownself buy TG shares...
Tropican buy more TG shares ...
Tropicana share buyback...

Apa macam ni?
Is he or is he not gone over his head?
Is he or is he not overly active in the share market?

Shouldn't he be more focus on his own company? There is grave danger when the boss is way too engrossed in the share market!
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I think la when the stake is high, any actions the tan sri take will get criticized also. While it is true that the money spent doing sbb could’ve been (better) spent paying dividends to its shareholders or reinvest into their business.

But by doing this is not without its downside too. I think by taking this move it allows IB to press down the share price way below its worth and cause shareholders to lose confidence in TG.

So what...? Well..when huge amount of lowly bought shares fall into the hands of IB that might possibly use it to goreng up the price later..volatility might be the last thing tan sri wants happening..

Now why tan sri didn’t use the cash pile to remunerate shareholders in the form of dividends? Maybe la..I think tan sri knows a lot of retailers/punters might take advantage of this by dumping the shares after dividend payout,to the party who pressed down its share price..

So the overall effect: massive cash outflow to outsiders.

Just my 2 cents laugh.gif
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post Dec 17 2020, 10:35 AM

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I see a lot of TA based traders like to draw lines of resistance la support la..but all these are just assumptions made by extrapolating previous trend,and some of us might agree,past performance can’t be accurately used to predict the futures..

If the trend gets broken and act against your prediction then you can justify retrospectively by saying ahh already hit support later got what inverted hammer la bla bla..

If it happens to go according to the trend line TA traders draw,then they can take credit and say “see I told you it’s downtrending no volume no buyer yada yada” haha..

Some people do it enough times eventually they’ll be correct haha..in Chinese we called it “马后炮” tongue.gif

In actual,the market is just unpredictable,just one catalyst can change the outcome entirely,and by then your fresh funds and volume will follow suit laa..

Since we don’t know where we are going,it’s more important to know where we stand.. not say I one..quoting from Howard Mark rclxm9.gif

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post Dec 17 2020, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(Bendan520 @ Dec 17 2020, 10:50 AM)
But here a lot of rich fat sheep’s, averaging down from RM10, now at RM7 for SUPERMX, soon they’ll be averaging down from RM6-5 if downtrend still continues, if not I’ll be joining the trend  tongue.gif
But isn’t TA better than HA (hope analysis) which a lot here practicing.
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One of which I’ll called BS, another is a skepticism used to put their judgement on ppl’s analysis and call it hope haha.. which is which ahh.. hmm.gif laugh.gif
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post Dec 17 2020, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(Bendan520 @ Dec 17 2020, 11:13 AM)
One is informed predictions

Another is

Crystal ball roulette.
If you put it like this, everyone will win stock market 100%

When share price drops, buy the companies with good FA, close eyes for a few months/years? Then get 100% profit. Is that the sure win/safest route?
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Well if you’re a TA based trader of course you wanna see it as “informed” predictions.
,those who disagree might beg to differ lolz..

Oh did someone just mentioned about cult...haha..ok la confirmation bias sounds more diplomatic laugh.gif
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post Dec 17 2020, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Dec 17 2020, 12:37 PM)
Cut loss is not known among cult.
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Come to think of it, in between persistence and stubbornness lies only a fine line..

Those who come out successfully will be deem to have perseverance..

Of course who failed will end up getting labelled as stubborn,cult..

Something to ponder hehehe... hmm.gif
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post Dec 17 2020, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Dec 17 2020, 01:06 PM)
Yes, you got it right about the stakes is high issue. However, was that or was that not caused after the boss boasted that he aims to be a bigger stock than Maybank and that he wants TG to be a F500 company.

Wait first. Being ambitious and having a drive to become better is truly wonderful trait to have. This is what champions are made off. But there's limitation as such things cannot be forced. Agree or not?

And again before I continue... why the focus on the boss? If one is betting long on the stock (at least 1 year la) , one of the factors to observe is the boss. Listening to what he says is ok but we gotta observe what he does. If anyone follows Warren Buffett, this is so true. What he says, what he preaches does not necessary mean he himself does in the stock market. He criticized the value of gold like shit on so many occasions. But then, Berkshire not too long went into a gold miner, Barrack Gold. In this very same perspective, myself places a lot of value on what the boss does. The saying in life is why would you be a partner with someone in business who is most likely cheat you when you turn around? Just a saying.. don't jump the gun, ya.

So I focus on what the boss does... something which is so, so, so, so important right now. Right when Top Glove is experiencing extreme richness via current profit windfall. So much money... what does he do? will he squander it? will he be badly advised on monetary issues?

If the extreme richness is badly managed, then any investment/trade in the stock will not have a good ending, yes?

He says he wanna be bigger than Maybank,

So what does he do?

We saw the buybacks. Buybacks as everyone knows is extremely noble and could benefit shareholders. That I very much acknowledge and agree 100%.

But buybacks has some flaws. One of the more obvious one is, buyback is a form of buying shares from the market. The market can be a volatile and unforgiving monster. Sometimes it is nice, extremely nice but there are times it is unforgiving and deadly. Buying or executing the buybacks wrongly could see the buyback execution actually squander the wealth, whereby the share buyback is executed way too aggressively beyond any uncomprehensible sense of logic.

For example... as shown in posting # 2, Top Glove share buybacks actually chased the stock price from 6.20 to an insane high of 8.0. Insane execution. Some might call it abused. 99.9 million was spend or squandered on buyback just one day.

And Top Glove went on buying shares aggressively ... spending 1.2 billion so far.

Now look at the actions after that...

EPF went on a buying spree in tandem with Top Glove buybacks. This has to be mentioned. A case of clear conflict of interest because the boardboss sits on the EPF board.

He then went and somehow convinced Tropicana, a property company, to buy Top Glove shares.

He then took out his own money to buy Top Glove shares. (great own money, I can't complain .. but as a whole, it must be mentioned)

He then got Tropicana to buy some more shares of Top Glove...

And since Tropicana has fallen ... he then gotten Tropicana to buyback Tropicana shares...
These actions. .... wow!!!

Has the richness clouded his judgement. Does he think he is a share master?

Being relentless is one thing... being ambitious is another thing... but these actions are way simply too aggressive and even reckless. For what sake? Protect TG share? Or are these actions simply because of TG's current extreme windfall, he feels Top Glove should be a bigger share than Maybank?

Therefore, whoever owns shares in Top Glove should address this issue. Would you want to go into a war behind an overly aggressive and reckless leader? wink.gif

And whatever Top Glove does at this moment... has a direct impact on other glove stocks. If Top Glove falls, it creates a negative sentiment on other glove stocks since it is their market leader. And it has an impact on the overall market too.....

And last but not least... his bold statement again of being bigger than Maybank and his initial 100 million per day buybacks actions. This sends out a terrible signal. It's almost a challenge to the market ... saying my company is rich... come throw, my company will buyback.

But alas... he should know ... whatever Top Glove has ... is almost open book. Their cash balance is known... There's a limit on how much Top Glove can buyback within a certain period. It's like playing poker but your cards are open for all to see....
ya... I am worried ... and sad to see what is happening.... isn't that why some say ... some people just cannot handle sudden windfall?
Oh... my 3 sen back at you... laugh.gif
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Fully agreed, I have nothing to add haha.. I also agree that Tropicana’s shareholders won’t be happy with tan sri leveraging his position in Tropicana to buy shares of another company, pretty sure many if not most tropicana shareholders won’t agree with his action..

I wonder, if tan sri abuses his position in EPF to buy TG shares, why did he allow EPF to massively dump it now? Something doesn’t add up..
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post Dec 17 2020, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(Bendan520 @ Dec 17 2020, 01:43 PM)
Not pointing fingers

Averaging down is one strategy, but to keep averaging down in hopes that price will go up due to outstanding FA is low-key gambling. Like everyone said, market is unpredictable in the short term.. like many have said increase PAT, superb FA ya da ya da, I rest my case if those that aggressively buy/averaging down now are prepared to hold this stock for at least 2 years.
But in reality, everyone here is in for short term fast money gains.. then again, isn’t the better strategy of buying in when the counter stabilises?

Then again TA is a big bullshit in this forum, totally inverse compared to the guys investing in NYSE when TA is everything. Weird
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I think there has to be a fine line where one needs to stop averaging down indefinitely and just do nothing,if it goes up eventually it will come back,or maybe get close enough to sell at a lesser degree of loss, in the case where it further goes down,another averaging effort won’t bring much of a difference,unless like someone mentioned..if one has to many bullets to deploy consistently for a stretched period then different story la.. tongue.gif

I must beg to differ that “everyone” here is in for fast money gains..to make that assumption on others is plain wrong..

Btw you have proof to justify TA is EVERYTHING in the NYSE stock market? Another preconceived notion to lump everyone up together in a basket doh.gif

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post Dec 17 2020, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(skty @ Dec 17 2020, 04:24 PM)
getting more and more "good" news regarding glove sector.

they are trying to push again or what?  rolleyes.gif
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Can elaborate what “good” news ah, why do you say they trying to push ya? tongue.gif



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