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Cubalagi
post Mar 12 2020, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Mar 12 2020, 01:07 PM)

but if MYR appreciate, I also lose money for converting so early?
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Yes, that's the risk.
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post Mar 13 2020, 12:51 PM

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A few years from now ppl be looking back at this week n will say.. Aiiya.. Should have hentam all in.

But in reality is scared..
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post Mar 13 2020, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(donhay @ Mar 13 2020, 04:08 PM)
I caught a falling knife.  cry.gif

Went into the market both KLSE and SGX last week. Now hope the downtrend won't last too long.

Mean time, will save cash and not buy any. Will ride it out till next year.
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If u are investing for a few years time frame, just chill.

While this virus is a bad thing, at the start, the market has underestimated the impact. I was banging my head why markets still going up. Now crash like crazy. Likely now the market is overestimating.

So yah, it will impact the economy and profitability. Probable case is 1H2020 will be bad. March, April, May, June. Still seem very long. It could drag to 3Q perhaps. Worse case 4Q I think.

A lot of stimulus and money have and will be thrown into the economy by the govt and once it is over the markets will play catch up very fast.

Most important now is take care of one's health and family health.

P/S I think need to monitor China. If second wave happen.. I will be very scared.

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post Mar 14 2020, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Mar 14 2020, 04:43 PM)
don't understand why people still dare to touch o&g counters  rclxub.gif
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Last time Oil was this low was back in 2015. Petchem dropped to RM5. It then went up to RM9.50 in 2018, and paid good dividends in between. So that's about 100+% return in 3 years.

I think highly possible the same can happen again, the only thing holding me back is whether now is too early to enter. Back in 2015, we had an oil price war. Now there is virus+ oil price war. And this virus is more damaging compared to SARS.
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post Mar 15 2020, 01:35 AM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Mar 14 2020, 11:09 PM)
It all down to the OPEC outcome. If they can sort it out, then we will see rebound.
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OPEC+ may not come into agreement so soon and market will be flooded with oil. And we may now be looking at a global recession which means shrinking oil demand. I think we will see oil drop back to 20s again.

Which also mean the possibility of USD1:MYR4.5 in the next few months.

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QUOTE(moosset @ Mar 15 2020, 10:09 AM)
so even with US lowering interest rates and QE don't help?

we are so doomed!!  bangwall.gif
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It's a race to the bottom for all countries now. US will cut n I'm expecting BNM to cut more too.. Perhaps 50 bps in May.

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post Mar 16 2020, 02:40 PM

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Wow.. Klci already dropped below 1300..


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post Mar 16 2020, 03:52 PM

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Shopping day today on KLSE.

I bought:
1) Maybank
2) Malakof
3) Goldetf


Things like OnG n property Dev will be a bit later.

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post Mar 16 2020, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Mar 16 2020, 03:56 PM)
at what price?

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QUOTE(moosset @ Mar 16 2020, 03:56 PM)

at the time of crisis, how come gold prices didn't reach all time high?
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Right now there is a liquidity problem in the market. All asset classes are being clobbered. Basic market economics doesn't work right now.

Same thing happened back in 2008.Gold dropped for a while, before it rocket higher.
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post Mar 16 2020, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Mar 16 2020, 05:10 PM)
what do you think about silver? some said it shadows gold price?

thinking of buying SLV but I think silver is also tied to the manufacturing industry, no?
If the global growth slow down, then demand for silver will also be lower?
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More risky, more potential return.. I will only buy as a side bet.
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post Mar 16 2020, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Mar 16 2020, 05:24 PM)
why is silver riskier?

I thought ppl said silver is like the younger brother to gold?
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It has more price volatility. If u like that, u can also consider GDX ETF.. Gold miners. Im not into these.
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QUOTE(moosset @ Mar 16 2020, 10:34 PM)
just curious, where does the volatility come from? speculation?
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Yes.. Even gold has a lot of speculation, but silver is like penny stock to "blue chip" Gold.
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post Mar 18 2020, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Mar 16 2020, 03:52 PM)
Shopping day today on KLSE.

I bought:
1) Maybank
2) Malakof
3) Goldetf
Things like OnG n property Dev will be a bit later.
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Today not aggressive, but build up my defences. Added more Gold and ABF Singapore bond etf. I treat ABF SG like an SGD FD that pays 2% interest.

Currently in 30% Bonds and Gold, 40% Equities and 30% Cash. Plan to have one more batch stock buying using cash before go on lock down until next month.

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post Mar 18 2020, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Mar 16 2020, 08:10 PM)
My 2 cents’ view:

1.  Don’t buy stocks with ‘scared’ money. ‘Scared’ money means buying stocks with margin accounts, borrowed money or money that you need to use within the next 3 to 4 years.  This will affect our emotion or judgment in selling the stocks when the market is down.

2.  Have an emergency fund of at least 3 to 6 months before even thinking of investing in stocks.

3.  Know yourself - are you a speculator, trader or investor?

4.  Have a MOS (margin of safety) when buying stocks. This means buying stocks at a discount and companies which are fundamentally strong. Easier said than done!

5.  Change our mindset. Equate buying stocks with buying goods when there is a fire sale. One bottle of Carlsberg beer selling for RM5? Buy! iPhone X selling for RM500? Buy! Brand new BMW 3 series selling for RM50K? Buy!
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I think good advixe here..
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post Mar 18 2020, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Mar 18 2020, 09:43 AM)
cubalagi MahSing that you were interested in closed at RM0.39 yesterday.

time to pick up?

why do I feel like many stocks in Bursa are very close to becoming penny stocks? rclxub.gif
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Yes. Very tempting. At. current price, it is 80% discount to book value I think. Dividend will be 8.5% based on the latest proposed final dividend.

Basically, it is recession price, which I think the country is already in now.
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post Mar 18 2020, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Mar 18 2020, 02:39 PM)
Do ETFs announce dividend like stocks do?

if yes, how/where can I check the announcement?
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Yes they do. Look for distribution.
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post Mar 19 2020, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Mar 18 2020, 09:43 AM)
cubalagi MahSing that you were interested in closed at RM0.39 yesterday.

time to pick up?

why do I feel like many stocks in Bursa are very close to becoming penny stocks? rclxub.gif
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So today I bought Mah Sing at 0.33.

Tbh I wasn't planning to buy so soon, but can't resist the cheap offer.

At 33 sen share price, Mah Sing market cap is RM800 million. This is less than its bank balance of RM1 billion. Meaning I'm buying the cash and getting all its landbank n development projects for free. So there is a big margin of safety.

Also it has proposed to pay out 3.35 sen dividend this September for a yield of 10%.

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post Mar 19 2020, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Mar 19 2020, 07:39 PM)
proposed means, subject to shareholder approval?

I'm also tempted to buy but given how Malaysians act to the lockdown, I fear the worst is yet to come .... (this is only virus, not yet politics, economics etc). Even IGBReit, Maybank, PBB also, I'm quite hesitant.

What do you think about the current property market (specifically those of MahSing)? Low interest rates should lead to more buyers, I guess?
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Yup, stiil need tabled at agm which of course will be approved. Note that this dividend is already cut from last year's one, which was 4.5 sen.

Yes, you are right, that the worse may yet to come for the country. A lot of ppl macam not aware. Got some want to take asb loans still. But you also have to plan in case the world and this country gets over this covid-19 issue without too much lasting damage ..which I hope it will.

However, at the same time, I'm also prepping for worse, just in case. I always maintain a high level of USD deposits and have added more gold and Singapore govt securities (which has higher rating than US govt securities, coz Singapore is financially more prudent than US).

On Malaysia property market, not so soon. I was hoping that end of last year was the bottom, but now with the virus.. No way. But I'm hoping the CB liquidity injections n cuts will result in another property boom cycle like last time in a few years. So buy now and wait for 5 years.

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post Mar 20 2020, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Mar 20 2020, 10:45 AM)
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My funds now. Not doing well. Shall I pull out from all these funds and just use these moneys to buy local stocks myself
Appreciate genuine advice
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My view is too late to be pulling out now. Just sit tight.

If u want to invest in local market, use fresh funds.
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post Mar 20 2020, 05:29 PM

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String rebound today..

Let's hope that KLCI lowest point of 1207 yesterday will be history for a long time...



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