guess no other ways out but deloitte would be my last option...............
Get rejected from EY,PWC & Crowe Howart, is there any problem with my resume?
Get rejected from EY,PWC & Crowe Howart, is there any problem with my resume?
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Jan 24 2016, 03:36 PM
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guess no other ways out but deloitte would be my last option...............
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Jan 24 2016, 06:32 PM
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Pls use PDF at ALL TIMES. Also name yr resume with yr name-resume Fr eg
Daniel Yo Chun Kiat - Resume |
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Jan 24 2016, 07:24 PM
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Jan 24 2016, 07:30 PM
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QUOTE(Danielyo @ Jan 24 2016, 02:55 PM) is it possible for me to reapply for ey n pwc again?i think it might be they are using older version of microsoft word to open my resume which was done using word document 2010 that caused alignments and all out of lines..........just realized that Always save your resume/CV in PDF.And I believe you have got nothing to lose if you reapply. Good luck. |
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Jan 24 2016, 11:52 PM
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QUOTE(Danielyo @ Jan 23 2016, 09:00 PM) my cgpa is fine,3.50 out of 4.0,had working experiences in sales line and decent leadership positions in several clubs although i never done internship before and i just graduated and 26 this year.............both ey and pwc pg rejected me thru email after i called them up.........had a tax interview with kpmg thru friend's connection which i talked well and showed good knowledge but got a feeling they aint gonna hire me cuz interviewer said i was more of an outgoing dude who loves to meet ppl instead of sitting in computer all day and i screwed up the tax computation part a bit altho i told interviewer where my mistakes were............should i start from small firms cuz i got few offers with em?but it aint gonna look good if i apply as experienced hire in later stage.............. Frankly speaking, you were rejected probably due to your low English proficiency. Based on what you have written here, there is a huge room for improvement for your English language. This was probably reflected in your CV as well. That's why you were not shortlisted based on your CV. |
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Jan 25 2016, 12:03 AM
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QUOTE(alwayshappy @ Jan 24 2016, 11:52 PM) Frankly speaking, you were rejected probably due to your low English proficiency. Based on what you have written here, there is a huge room for improvement for your English language. This was probably reflected in your CV as well. That's why you were not shortlisted based on your CV. where my wrongs at?cuz i cant see no screw up in my english |
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Jan 25 2016, 12:10 AM
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My personal opinion on the Big4 hiring preference (priority in ascending order):
1) Foreign grads (Ie: spent full years at UK, US or Aus) and with good CGPAs (age from 22 to 24). They will most likely represent the face of the firm. Most likely will be drafted to the best teams with best (cleanest portfolios). Drafted for professional qualifications (Ie: ICAEW) with bond period up to 4 years. 2) Professional qualifications (Ie: ACCA). Age normally 21 to 22. 2nd preferred hires due to able to hit the ground running with no requirement to further study. Will support the team when the foreign grads left to study. Mostly drafted as workhorse to support the team or cover all the "undesirable projects". 3) Local grads: Drafted mainly for normal projects 4) Experienced hires: Very few came through this route My advice is to get a good referral. Set an interview with the referral and ask for help/endorsement. The higher level the better. Btw, its not the end of the world if you are not able to join Big4. |
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Jan 25 2016, 12:18 AM
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QUOTE(Topace111 @ Jan 25 2016, 12:10 AM) My personal opinion on the Big4 hiring preference (priority in ascending order): theres a problem when even mid tier firms rejected u1) Foreign grads (Ie: spent full years at UK, US or Aus) and with good CGPAs (age from 22 to 24). They will most likely represent the face of the firm. Most likely will be drafted to the best teams with best (cleanest portfolios). Drafted for professional qualifications (Ie: ICAEW) with bond period up to 4 years. 2) Professional qualifications (Ie: ACCA). Age normally 21 to 22. 2nd preferred hires due to able to hit the ground running with no requirement to further study. Will support the team when the foreign grads left to study. Mostly drafted as workhorse to support the team or cover all the "undesirable projects". 3) Local grads: Drafted mainly for normal projects 4) Experienced hires: Very few came through this route My advice is to get a good referral. Set an interview with the referral and ask for help/endorsement. The higher level the better. Btw, its not the end of the world if you are not able to join Big4. |
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Jan 25 2016, 12:22 AM
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Jan 25 2016, 12:31 AM
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QUOTE(alwayshappy @ Jan 25 2016, 12:22 AM) Was this even written in proper English? my cover letter is well written no doubt about it ,its not like we have to talk like diplomats all the time in forum like this or everyday life..............i believe problems lie on somewhere else which keep me from breaking thruIf you believe that's not the problem, good luck in searching for a company that you can get away with this. This post has been edited by Danielyo: Jan 25 2016, 12:33 AM |
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Jan 25 2016, 01:00 AM
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As a professional recruiter, what I would ask from you:
1. What is your career goal, where are you heading to? most people pursue Big 4 for few reasons: - To reach Job Grade of Manager (Associate -> Senior Associate -> Team Lead -> Assistant Manager -> Manager), usually take minimum of 6 years or more. Thereafter, they can choose to open up their own firm with the accumulated experience. OR become a team lead/finance manager of MNC. - Some of them are aiming for BNM, Bank Negara Malaysia, pays really really well. Only elites enter. Big 4 is kinda like prerequisite. - Easier for them to go anywhere. 2. Take the advice from the person below. Small firms is like a boot camp, but you've gotta endure how unstructured it may be. Once you've pulled through 2-3 years, you'll be like a refined gem, better than those from MNC. That aside, I have an AP role in one of the MNC. If you are interested let me know. QUOTE(empire23 @ Jan 24 2016, 07:29 AM) The big 3 have always been picky with hiring. Did you go through their IQ and personality testing regime? Because; 1) You're older and thus a generally have a higher expectation for wages 2) If you took 6 years to grad instead of say 4, you must have been an idiot 3) Gap years are for the aimless and for people with no goals, large companies want eager blood If you say you spent the first 4 years doing an apprenticeship or vocational training at work and then you moved on to a uni degree, usually most would hire you on the spot even if you are older. It generally boils down to what you did with your time, HR people look at this closely. HR people especially don't like gaps in your career or studies. QUOTE(empire23 @ Jan 24 2016, 04:06 PM) If I had 10 years of sales experience and tried to join my current company, they'd laugh at me and tell me to bugger off because it's irrelevant to what they hire for. But if I had 10 years of sales experience and asked for a sales engineer job, I'd most likely ace it. Also if you send resumes, don't use word, use PDF, comes out nicer looking due to set look and the anti aliasing that PDF uses makes it easier on the eyes. Also use contextual grammar and vocabulary. You should give the recruiter every reason to believe your personalized your resume and cover letter combo just for them. I never just send a resume named "Resume.pdf", I always add context by using "Resume XXXCO XXXPOSITION DATE". Fine details make the difference. QUOTE(empire23 @ Jan 24 2016, 04:21 PM) I think so. Because when I graduated 5 years ago, to get into a large oil and gas company you generally had to have flat 4, ace their IQ and other tests and have really good credentials. I spent 2.5 years working for a small company servicing the industry and every since then I've worked at the big players. Trust me you'll learn 10x more things at a small company. I work at my first company for 6 months I learn more than working in my current position for 10 years lol. |
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Jan 25 2016, 02:08 AM
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Getting into big4 is like a dream to me and no matter what it takes I wouldn't let it go
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Jan 25 2016, 07:33 AM
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Jan 25 2016, 09:09 AM
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Unless you have ACCA....
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Jan 25 2016, 10:56 AM
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QUOTE(Manada @ Jan 25 2016, 08:52 AM) Why pdf? What is wrong if I use words? I googled and some said that the APS, or Application Tracking System works better with Words rather than PDF. Some companies might have different version of Words than yours. It would cause compatibility issue when opening your Words file. Pdf will always look far better. |
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QUOTE(champlaos11 @ Jan 25 2016, 10:56 AM) Some companies might have different version of Words than yours. It would cause compatibility issue when opening your Words file. Pdf will always look far better. Different version of word. Different OS version. Different fonts. I've seen one instance where the same version of windows and word was used, the document only used standard windows fonts, and still, there's some reflow that screws up the carefully laid out alignment. I suspect, it's because the two computers have different default printer drivers installed. Who knows what's the real reason. There are some ways to minimize this problem. But the only sure way to eliminate it completely is to save your documents as pdf. |
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Jan 25 2016, 01:03 PM
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QUOTE(Danielyo @ Jan 23 2016, 09:00 PM) my cgpa is fine,3.50 out of 4.0,had working experiences in sales line and decent leadership positions in several clubs although i never done internship before and i just graduated and 26 this year.............both ey and pwc pg rejected me thru email after i called them up.........had a tax interview with kpmg thru friend's connection which i talked well and showed good knowledge but got a feeling they aint gonna hire me cuz interviewer said i was more of an outgoing dude who loves to meet ppl instead of sitting in computer all day and i screwed up the tax computation part a bit altho i told interviewer where my mistakes were............should i start from small firms cuz i got few offers with em?but it aint gonna look good if i apply as experienced hire in later stage.............. Maybe you indeed don't have the correct personality to fit in? Personality fit is quite important.I got 2 first class fresh graduates in my team who I have just kicked out, not because they're dumb or what. But they just cannot focus on and finish their task on hand. Always want to move on to something new when they are not ready yet. |
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Jan 25 2016, 01:39 PM
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QUOTE(ComingBackSoon @ Jan 25 2016, 01:03 PM) Maybe you indeed don't have the correct personality to fit in? Personality fit is quite important. I will improve if chance is givenI got 2 first class fresh graduates in my team who I have just kicked out, not because they're dumb or what. But they just cannot focus on and finish their task on hand. Always want to move on to something new when they are not ready yet. |
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Jan 25 2016, 01:50 PM
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QUOTE(alwayshappy @ Jan 25 2016, 12:22 AM) Was this even written in proper English? Are you seriously comparing English from a casual forum reply to a resume? You haven't even seen his resume! His English is better than most experienced working professionals in MNCs. If you believe that's not the problem, good luck in searching for a company that you can get away with this. What an uptight keyboard warrior.. |
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QUOTE(Danielyo @ Jan 25 2016, 01:39 PM) Personality cannot be "improved" 1... The real trick is to find out where can you really excel, not trying to fit into somewhere where you can't excel.Give you an anology, fish are not built, and thus will never be able to climb trees. |
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