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post Jun 30 2018, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Jun 29 2018, 07:30 PM)
Get the 65 inches if possible , it is a little brighter than the 55 inches . Especially after calibration .

Normally I wouldn't care too much about a little brightness , but with Oled you will want every bit of brightness you can get because once the ABL starts to kick in , a lot of games and sport shows look really dark in comparison , even if the situation has improved from last year's model.
And the 5% gray uniformity is also a more severe issue on the 55 inches , which can be quite distracting
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Peak Brightness is more of a panel to panel variation. Not related to panel size.

I find 5% gray worse on 65' compared to 55' for 2017 models.

Near black uniformity will always be a challenge for OLEDs while bright screen uniformity is a challenge for LED backlit LCD technology.

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post Jul 6 2018, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Jul 5 2018, 07:52 PM)
C8 transforms all your HDR 10 (Static meta data ) into Dolby Vision - alike HDR (with Dynamic meta data ) , so if you watch a lot of HDR content it is worth picking one over C7
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What does this mean? I don't think C8 converts HDR10 to Dolby Vision.
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post Jul 7 2018, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Jul 6 2018, 11:09 PM)
DTM (Dynamic Tone Mapping) of C8 can analyze the meta data of HDR 10 scene by scene and tonemap the greater difference of mastered display to playback device into something more accurate than typical HDR10. The result is similar to HDR10+ /Dolby Vision
You also missed one word , I said Dolby vision - alike ,of course it is not going to miraculously transform from SMPTE ST 2086 into the SMPTE ST2094 format of Dolby vision.
And the end result ? If we are going to be extremely finicky here , it is not going to look exactly the same as natively mastered Dolby Vision content but it is close enough.
Here is a comparison between a W7 and C8 with Dynamic Tone Mapping on , the C8 is much more capable of tonemapping the area surrounding strong light sources , because most TVs don't usually reach the required nits to display it (4000 cd/m2 in this case ). It is very identical to what Dolby Vision can do.
Left is W7 , right is C8
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I misread the statement as Dolby Vision - HDR alike...

2017 models also have dynamic mapping of HDR which is called Dynamic Contrast . The algorithms are tweaked so it's a matter of preference on what is correct.

The thing about tone mapping is that there is no standard on gamma manipulation. There is no wrong or right. There will always be limitations of the HDR implementation of OLEDs as the presence of WRGB pixels instead of RGB is already against how white light is presented. Even though the LG OLEDs can do close to 800nits, colour is not correct past 400Nits due to the W pixel being used to generate the additional nits past that.

I can explain further but it's of no consequence anyway. In this sense Samsung is right about colour volumes of quantum Dot based LED backlit LCDs .

ST2084 vs BT1886 is different as in 1 is relative and 1 is absolute. However HDR is supposed to be used for specular highlights above 100nits so technically if mastered correctly the only difference shd be in those but that is not really happening in these early days. It's improving now but it will take some time to get there.

The ace that the OLED has is that it allows for true blacks so technically the same effect can be had but due to the improper standards it's a mess now.
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post Jul 8 2018, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Jul 8 2018, 02:31 AM)
Reporting in with the C8T 65" nod.gif

Several questions if you guys don't mind smile.gif

1) Any way to reduce the brightness of the subtitles?
2) The technicolor colour preset is kinda awesome but have to dial down the brightness a little bit? Also, what's the difference between OLED Light and brightness? Seems similar to me..
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Brightness shd be kept as default. If it's too bright, use OLED light to control light output.
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post Jul 10 2018, 06:27 PM

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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Jul 10 2018, 06:18 PM)
Can I play 4k HDR content on Youtube via Chromecast Ultra or must it be using the app on the TV?
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Both shd work. The built in app works fine btw.
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post Jul 12 2018, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Jul 11 2018, 11:14 PM)
If the video source do support HDR , it should automatically be turned on .
Most of the time , Cinema  & the ISF / technicolor mode are accurate enough , so you do not really need to adjust these settings too muich .
Under HDR settings , just leave your OLED Lights to max .
The OLED Light settings on LG OLED TV 's Dolby Vision mode is a little special  , so just leave that @ 50.
Yep , I am aware of that . In fact I have mentioned that on previous page as well , it is baked into the dynamic contrast from last year's model.
But in this case most people shouldn't turn it on , because the dynamic contrast adjustment will cause some of the fine details to vanish.

It's similar to contour banding improvement this year , combined with mpeg noise reduction settings , yet another setting most are hesitate to leave On.  I know all the video purist are straying away off it , but we have seen how awesome the smooth gradation from Sony TVs can be . The LG's A9 version is just as capable , if not surpassing it . It does comes at a cost of some little fine shadow details , I can live with that.
I agree with you , being no right and wrongs . But all of us have preference , no ? Personally I just can't get used to the Sony OLED's approach to their tonemapping . Some people are particularly sensitive to graphical details . LG's OLED is just excellent at making these highlight shine , where on Sony's side , the white clipping effects are too heavy , even if the object end up to be brighter.

And sadly it is as you said , color volume does remain a struggle for all the OLED due to the wRGB Panel sad.gif 
But again  , human eyes are vulnerable and poor compare to many animals .  We can perceive more colors and details in the darker zones than white , blinding highlight area  .
Your tools can measure more values at higher luminance , but can the average joe's untrained eyes perceive all these difference ? 500~nits in a dark room , I already find myself  struggling to stare at the edges of sunlight on the screen . To actually notice much more details and colors would be quite a challenge . At 1000 nits ? I almost can't tell if the center of that sparkling dot was of white or blue .

I am not saying it doesn't matter because the color difference is definitely there , but how big of a difference it makes with an untrained perception? .  Especially when most of these specular highlights that are mastered at high cd/m2 are white lights.

That is also why OLED panels , despite of lacking the peak brightness / color volume of those 2018 QLED , the perfect black level will ensure OLED remain the most impressive HDR experience in the market for now.
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There are some points in this post that I would like to rebut and probably some points that I want to hv technical discussions around these to see if I can educate people here and other points that I want to re-emphasize. Will write more when I get to a proper computer.

Most posts here and in the AVS Forums tend to be about how to get cheap displays and how great the pictures look but it's important for people to understand how the technologies work and their limitations and strengths.
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post Jul 31 2018, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(invisiblelim @ Jul 31 2018, 03:26 PM)
By the way. I heard Astro On the Go is able to install in LG WebOS, had anyone using it?
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Yes. Works well.
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post Jul 31 2018, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(syazx @ Jul 31 2018, 05:01 PM)
No AXN channel if you watch Astro using the Astro on the Go (AotG) apps in LG WebOS.
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I see AXN HD in the Astro app on LG WebOS on my set.

Edit...I do see the channel but when selected it says no copyrights content...so u r right indeed.

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post Aug 13 2018, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(szecheng @ Aug 13 2018, 02:17 PM)
Anyone having 4k movie playing through the C8 tv USB ?
i only have HD movie player, not sure it can handle 4k files
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The older c7 could play if one navigates to the m2ts or mkv file. However , not all files can be played though. I hv not investigate further. Some files play and audio not supported error would pop up. My advice would be to get an external media player if it's important rather than relying on the built in player.
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post Mar 27 2019, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(Convael @ Mar 26 2019, 09:28 PM)
Factory reset will also reset the total run time .
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Does it also reset the timer in the service menu?
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post Jun 8 2019, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(Convael @ May 27 2019, 07:20 PM)
A friend of mine from HLK has already received several 2019 models but they are not going to sell them yet .
Probably going to wait on stocks so they can jack up the price , typical .
On the bright side , I heard the C9 will be available in 77" this year for the first time in MY .
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The launch pricing of the 77in is much higher than I anticipated with the prices in US comparatively. Seems like our 55in and 65in pricing has closed the gap to US pricing but it will take some time for the 77in to come close.
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post Sep 17 2019, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Sep 17 2019, 05:06 PM)
Always go as big as you can.
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If the 77in OLEDs drop in price like the 55 and 65in late this year and early next year, it would make them competitive to the alternative 75in/85in LED backlitLED/Quantum Dot LED. At the moment they are priced almost 50% more than the LED variances.
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post Oct 5 2019, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(mois @ Oct 3 2019, 09:11 AM)
Yea that is what i thought. But the q9fn really cheap. 75" going for 17k.
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I think the q90r would be a good compromise due to the wide angle filter compared to the q9fn. But the price has not dropped for the series as yet.
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QUOTE(kskoay @ Oct 4 2019, 07:19 PM)
Finally, bought the 65c9 at homedec event with 11k++ , free lg kp7. Will receive it by tomorrow  biggrin.gif
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Good price for a 65in 2019 OLED. Hv fun. The 2017 C7 just received an update so it's good to know that LG still supports it well after 2 yrs. I believe they are still issuing firmware updates to the 2016 range as well so u r set for some time.
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I believe the pricing of the 65B9 as indicated ~ 8.9K and probably ~8.5K in store, would make it extremely well placed as a value for money high end display. It probably hits about 650nits, has some form of HDMI 2.1 built in, good dynamic tone mapping, excellent contrast and wide viewing angle and if compared to high end displays of other brands, its tough to beat, especially for a current year model. The closest I can think is the 65Q60R and to be honest it does not compare. The Q60R does not get as bright (although being a true additive display one can argue that this cannot be compared), does not have as good viewing angles and does not do Dolby Vision (but does HDR+) and does not have as good a contrast as the B9 and the main point, does not have local dimming.

I wonder how long this offer will run

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QUOTE(Dickong @ Nov 2 2019, 05:58 PM)
I just got myself LG B9 for RM8550 n ask them to deliver on 11 Nov. Suppose to deliver on 4 or 5 Nov but unfortunately I will be oversea that's why request to deliver next Monday.
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That's the street price I am hearing as well. I shd be calibrating one in a couple of weeks. If I do find anything interesting, I will post more.
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QUOTE(ccschua @ Nov 7 2019, 01:24 PM)
why the 55 vs 66 in ch tv has such a big price spread ?
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Mainly due to wastage at factory from cutting 65in vs 55in panels. I believe 55in is the sweet spot for the cost vs yield. I believe LG has a new plant that will change the cost vs size and that will bring down the prices soon. There is also a smaller size version 48in that they are planning to introduce next year.
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QUOTE(Dickong @ Nov 25 2019, 10:00 PM)
I try u tube DV also pop up HDR a bit strange but i havent test with 4k blu ray yet bcos all my 4k blu ray are HDR content
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Pls try the built in Dolby App, there are demo DV and Atmos in it and it shd trigger Dolby Vision on ur B9.
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QUOTE(szecheng @ Jan 6 2020, 04:25 PM)
any tried wireless projection from a huawei phone to LG oled tv?

i tried mate 30 to LG C8, cant work
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I have tried it via a mate 10 to LG C7 and it worked for me. Tested and it works on the P30Pro and LG C7 as well.

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Borderline OT, but the current retail price for the Sony 77A9G OLED is now RM21.9k....thats close to what it shd start with instead of close out prices...still wonder what the 77C9 is now.

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