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post Mar 21 2018, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(lowyat101 @ Mar 20 2018, 11:19 PM)
Thanks for the info, will have a look at Taobao. May I know what are the critical functions/parameters shall I pay attention to?
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If you have no issues with sourcing from taobao, then your alternatives become bigger.. Am not familiar with manual machines but i can point you to something for your worthwhile consideration..

Sub RM500.. look for brand like Eupa, Petrus, Gustino. Mind you, they have chinese-equivalent names, know it and your search results expand. At this category, nothing much in terms of pragmatic parameters; asthetics maybe.

Sub RM1k.. look for brand like Petrus(there's a particular good model i've seen), Milesto, Welhome WPM KD130. The weakest of these is the Petrus. The best? Perhaps the WPM.. because of the materials they apply onto their machines.. For this category, you may see that the weight of the machine goes up exponentially..

Do take note that brands mentioned here are not exhaustive, do explore and find one to your liking and/or within your intended budget.. Same goes for a grinder; manual or electric.. Do find a burr type grinder.

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post Mar 21 2018, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(max_cjs0101 @ Mar 21 2018, 08:18 AM)
Thanks.
I know coulombs will form and that’s why I mix the powder throughly before extracting them using an espresso machine. Pestle and mortar is a bit too messy and I don’t have any burr grinders as well..
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Within the context of "ground coffee".. re-working them will definitely be messy.. And i gathered you're using a pressurized machine? Have you tried applying "manual pre-infusion" to your extraction? May try a 5-sec(tops) pre-infusion.

On the topic of a grinder, i seldom avocate this, but in your case.. maybe you can seriously consider a manual hand grinder.. Can find one online(e.g) Shopee for sub RM30. Of if you can source from forumers here who just upgraded their hand grinders for their former tool(s).. Else you're wasting coffee with that blade grinder (we been there, we know)
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post Mar 21 2018, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(SheepGeeks @ Mar 21 2018, 08:50 AM)
Ok, just an update. I went aeon to hands on the hario skerton, feel loosy and not sturdy. So I bought the "wonderful grinder" from taobao. Hope it works better than skerton hmm.gif hmm.gif

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r....ucket=16#detail

Apart of that, I started to feel my blade grinder is wasting my beans. I could only get half shot of flavorful espresso each round and the taste of my coffee is not strong as my bean supplier's cafe made.
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Very curious on the bolded part.. share pls
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post Mar 21 2018, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Mar 21 2018, 09:51 AM)
Gosh, I think we really need a sticky for this already. This is kinda the most common question we get from new member
Not surprising as it was the same for me when I was going after the daunting task of buying my first setup
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Can share how your setup evolve to current? Dome of us are sure curious on how commercial sifu like your goodself went thru..
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post Apr 4 2018, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Apr 4 2018, 03:15 PM)
Woah. No need 25g
Try 17 or 18g?
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Yeah... Double "Woah" on that.. those are triple shot volume liao
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post Apr 4 2018, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(SheepGeeks @ Apr 2 2018, 10:46 AM)
I have the 350ml jug, it's not suitable for my small cup (only 30% of the jug) and also my machine have only like 2" blower.

Apart of that, I can only froth about 50% of the milk volume before the milk overcook with the limitation of my machine.
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Yes, very well know where you're coming from.. Cos we have used those machine before..
the boiler is too small to exert good enough steam pressure to the wand tip but well enough to transfer heat to bring the milk to a boil..
You may try to deep freeze your milk pitcher first before using it. This will add perhaps 30-50sec of extra time(or delay, whichever you want to call it) to your frothing process..
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post Apr 5 2018, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(SheepGeeks @ Apr 5 2018, 08:57 AM)
Ohh okay, you understand me well.. Thanks for the recommendation, will try it out today.

Btw, I always get like 3/4 shot of thick espresso only. Does that relate to the machine pressure or the bean grain size?

My grinder is still on shipment, so I'm still using blade grinder.
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The underdeveloped espresso for the setup you're currently using, I'd like to think it's influenced by that both factors. Some machine will loose pressure(boiler) and temperature(boiler) halfway into an extraction. And it's very difficult to adjust grind-size from a blade grinder, so for the time being, perhaps you can bear with the current deficiencies? Just don't give up the interest, ya..
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post Apr 5 2018, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(serigala @ Apr 5 2018, 11:30 AM)
even triple shot basket only 21-23g
happen to me when i use super auto machine (krups,delonghi) with thermoblock..
i usually put milk into freezer 2 minutes before i start steaming them.. will only give 10 sec extra time..but the milk texture will be better..
blade grinder is a big no no..
as long is it a fresh roasted beans ( 1 or 2 week after roast)
buy packet with roast date instead of expiry date

Today shot. Papua new guinea peaberry medium roasted. Farm fresh milk. Still need to improve..
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Very nice cuppa there, bro.. Haven't tried PNG beans before..
By the way, not all thermoblocks are designed the same.. the size of the block tells alot in performance difference. WPM even placed 3 thermoblocks of considerable size into their machine, turn on the steam, you'd easily mistaken it's a commercial machine(steam wise).
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post Apr 6 2018, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Apr 6 2018, 10:06 AM)
Your pressure should be from a pump no? Should not be affected too much by temperature. You're just using hot water, not really steam
Depends on what kind of sour you're talking about. Certain amount of good acidity (sweet side) should be expected from coffee
If it has a vinegar kind of sour then it's bad acidity - either from underextraction or just bad coffee (low grade, defects)
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Bro, it's somewhat difficult to explain unless you've personally used a similiar class/type of machine he is currently using. The vibe pump(although mentioned as ULKA), isn't exactly powerful enough to be stable. Moreover, most of the materials are thin stainless steel; quick heat transfer but poor heat retention.. those sourish taste is like underextract and i suspect, suffered from heat due to the blade grinder as well..
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post Apr 6 2018, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(serigala @ Apr 5 2018, 08:51 PM)
Thats 3...
Most super auto only use 1 thermoblock.. Low power thermalblock.. Fast warm up.. But really lack in steam power
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Yeah.. 3. Haven't figure out why the need for 3. Mine has 2 thermoblocks.. extraction and steam
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post Apr 6 2018, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(Nuno gancho @ Apr 5 2018, 08:13 PM)
HelloTikietic,

Do you have a WPM? I am having same difficulties to have a good extraction would need same help, thanks.
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Yes, in fact a few other users here are using WPM too.
Mind to intro about your setup and your so-called difficulties?
Also do share about yourself on your experience/journey into coffee making.. then we may have an idea where you're coming from.
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post Apr 6 2018, 04:34 PM

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Am more interested at how on earth you ended up with that kd-310 and baratza 270?
Are these your 1st machines/grinders? Where and how did you find them?
... cos, very unlikely a newbie would just tap a 310 just like that(hope it's not a vp)

at this point, am just trying to ascertain where you're coming from..

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post Apr 6 2018, 07:01 PM

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Macau?!? You're not local(M'sian) i suppose?

Firstly, there're just too many assumptions you're basing on and because of your assumptions, people may give you improper advice which may lead to further assumptions later on..

Secondly, "don't compare with your friend's Rocket"... You ought to go back to basics. There are proper way to make a single shot espresso.. Grind, Dose(gram), distribute/tamp, and measure your time for yield.. If your targeted yield is off, adjust the grind or dosing or tamping.

You don't sound like you know your machine very well.. Have this machine been used by another person prior to you? If yes, kindly do a full factory reset and start from there.. Please don't rely on the programs on the machine first; unless you calibrate them properly..

forget about comparing the supermarket beans with your friend, because, aside from brand, there're different batches to consider too (can you ascertain that both you and your friend have the same production batch of the same brand to begin with)? merely the same brand won't mean much if comparison is not concise..

take out a stopwatch and a proper weighing machine.. go back to BASICS..
Practice your Single Shot Recipe, or if you prefer, Double Shot Recipe.
there're of course variation with different beans.. even stale beans, you can still grind fine enough to chock the machine, provided you have a good grinder and know how to use it..

If you get you basics right.. then we talk about filter basket.. at this point, 25g on a double sounds.... unbelievable AF.
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post Apr 6 2018, 08:40 PM

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Don't incline to think this way, but i have a feeling your equipment(WPM & Baratza) is used/secondhand?

lt's likely is your Baratza grinder is the culprit.. As most decent/good grinder can grind so fine until it can jam/choke an espresso machine.. Unless the burr blade is beyond dull, or it has hit "point zero" before.. or misaligned?

We use a cheap WPM ZD-12 grinder with shim modding and can easily jam/choke my WPM espresso machine if I dailed the grinder wrongly.
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post Apr 7 2018, 12:49 PM

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225ml in 30sec?!?!
Something is seriously wrong..
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post Apr 7 2018, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(rytopa @ Apr 7 2018, 04:53 PM)
Its normal, the flowrate is without any portafilter, without resistance.
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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Apr 7 2018, 05:42 PM)
Yea, quite normal
Our R58 at the shop is now running at 300ml/30s on 9bar pressure

So, yea, back to basics for you on dose, grind, distribution, tamping
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Sorry guys, I missed this perspective at benchmarking an espresso machine.. I now see it as a comprehensive way at covering all bases in a troubleshoot.
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post Apr 7 2018, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(qqmeng @ Apr 7 2018, 06:07 PM)
Guys, question:

The portafilter came with two types of basket, the usual single walled basket and the double walled (pressured?) basket.

I have been using the normal basket for sometimes now until yesterday. I gave the double walled basket a try. The creama is alot better using the double wall and the extraction is not bad either to my standard.

Questions are.... why everyone s the double walled basket not popular? And how does it works?
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Yes, double walled are mostly pressurized. The creama from a pressurized basket are sort of "forced" or fake. There are lots of micro bubbles within the creama, hence the fakeness..
Thus "better" is still subjective for you until you've seen actual and good creama..

7 days old roasted bean, with it's creama
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post Apr 9 2018, 05:06 PM

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The coffee bean doesn't look too bad, for I've seen or used far worst than yours.. If your machine flowrate is within normal, then, very likely is your grinder.. Am not trained to view the dry puck from your pic, but as reference.. mine looks like this (taken from my previous post)
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post Apr 9 2018, 10:11 PM

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Yes, if you can't grind fine enough.. adding shim(s) will help tremendously.. WPM ZD-12 can't grind fine enough for espresso straight out from the factory. With the shim, it works wonder..
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post Apr 12 2018, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(SheepGeeks @ Apr 11 2018, 08:48 PM)
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Ok, just received my grinder from taobao and crank it with Jamaica Blue Mountain.

Totally crazy man.. The final product is like milo powder or even finer, and now I can feel the aftertaste significantly. Thanks @rytopa 's recommendation.

But my machine now is having difficulties in squeezing the coffee shot, probably the bean is too fine.
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Bro, interested with your Jamaica Blue Mountain. Where did you source it and how much for that 100g?

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