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post Mar 25 2020, 07:03 PM

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QUOTE(MyHobby @ Mar 24 2020, 06:52 PM)
First brew using the new portafilter basket...

Physical differences between the new and old portafilter
Old with truncated and new with straight wall.
Old can't really fit more than 20g, while the new old can hold up to 22g.

With no other changes made, the brew time changed from 27s to 21s. The "Marmite" I mean espresso :-) tasted a bit more sour, as expected... The rule of shorter brew sour x longer brew bitter applies herr. It's not really sour but can still taste a bit of sourness.
With that, I have a chance to grind the beans finer. To me, by theory finer grinding should give a stronger taste and more flavour, but am not sure. Anyone can share your opinion?

Nothing to show on the espresso. Here's the Latte from the same brew.

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Adjusted the grinding (finer). Still dosage of 20g with 40g yield.
Brew time 25s (was 21s).
Here's the taste difference: stronger taste... Like 20% extra shot, also can feel like getting to the entrance to more dimension of taste but I can't tell more as its still vague. Less sour, but can still taste the slight sour taste.

Some readings to share here:
https://www.homegrounds.co/why-does-coffee-taste-sour/

And pic of the espresso and Latte from that brew.

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post Mar 27 2020, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(pierreye @ Mar 26 2020, 02:12 PM)
Try up dosing instead of finer grind. Finer grind is more prone to channeling. I'm using 21g IMS basket and up dose to 23g. As long as the puck is not touching the shower screen that should not be an issue.
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Hi Pierreye, yes, you are so right about channeling problem. I put so much attention to taste till I overlooked that part.
I started to relate the soft Puck problem after changing basket to channeling after reading your message. I got carried away with the search of optimum taste.

OK, let me put some details here.
All sifus here please help to analyse and advise...

With old basket: dose 20g yield 40g brew 26s (baselinel
Taste: standard
Shower screen: 95% clean (I use brush with brew tap on, with a stainless steel pot to collect water instead of letting it drop into drip tray)
Puck: standard, knock out in 1 piece

With new basket: dose 20g yield 40g brew 21s, finer grinding
Taste: sour +4, stronger +2, I kinda like it as its giving a taste sensation that I can taste more about the bean, but am not good at detailed of taste yet though I know about SCAA Coffee Taster's Flavor Wheel.
Shower screen: 90% clean
Puck: Soggy, knock out not in 1 piece

This morning (new basket) , dose 22g, yield 40g, 24s, coarser grinding
Taste: very close to baseline
Shower screen: 98%, yes very clean
Puck: Soggy, soupy when removed from group head, knock out in 1 piece (soft) and broken into pieces

Remark - the intention of changing basket: cleaner brewing (old basket has less room to hold coffee group before tamping) and hopefully level up the taste extraction from beans. Want to explore more with what I already have than getting to the path to upgrade grinder (current target is e65s or Ek43, but they are not cheap).
Also, it doesn't make economical sense to get about the same taste with higher dose. Can't deny that's larger basket is easier and cleaner, but I can do it cleanly with old basket too, just need to be more delicate though...

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post Mar 27 2020, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Mar 27 2020, 04:25 PM)
Which basket did you get? Is it a IMS/VST precision type basket?
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Hi Ymeng :-)
It's IMS.

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post Mar 28 2020, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(pierreye @ Mar 27 2020, 07:42 PM)
Don't worry too much on wet puck. My IMS basket also produce wetter puck compare to original basket. Not sure it's due to straight basket design. Once you take out your portafilter, leave it in the basin for 10 secs. The puck would be dryer and look at the surface. If you have small hole then you have channeling problem. I do have the same problem initially when switch to IMS basket. Change my technique by tapping the portafilter on the silicone mat to compact the grind first before using distribution wedges. This help to eliminate the channeling issue.
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Thanks man for the advices. I will try it with silicon base in my next brew to see the difference.

My current method is tapping around portafilter head to distribute evenly, then gently spin the tamper to further level the distribution before tamping it down till it touched the tamper base (mine is a calibrated tamper). The tamper itself weights 455.5g.
The tamping is done on the tamping base (in pic) which is made of rubber (not soft but still flexible).

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post Mar 28 2020, 01:47 PM

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This place became my brew log while getting sifus to guide me tongue.gif


28/3 IMS, dose 22g, yield 40g, 26s, didn't adjust grinder
Taste: a bit bitter
(btw, I haven't mentioned this.. Am using Brazil beans, which is mild bodied and nutty since wife can't take strong taste)
Shower screen: 93%
Puck: looked ok, with sign of channeling (picl, knock out with 5 knocks and broken into pieces

27/3 IMS, dose 22g, yield 40g, 24s, coarser grinding
Taste: very close to baseline
Shower screen: 98%, yes very clean
Puck: Soggy with sign of channeling soupy when removed from group head, knock out in 1 piece (soft) and broken into pieces

25/3 IMS, dose 20g, yield 40g, 25s, finer grinding
Taste: stronger taste, like 20% extra shot, less sour but can still tasted sourness, felt like touching on more details of beans but still vague
Shower screen: 90% clean
Puck: Soggy, soupy when removed from group head, got out with 4~5 knocks.

24/3 IMS basket: dose 20g yield 40g brew 21s, finer grinding
Taste: sour +4, stronger +2, I kinda like it as its giving a taste sensation that I can taste more about the bean, but am not good at detailed of taste yet though I know about SCAA Coffee Taster's Flavor Wheel.
Shower screen: 90% clean
Puck: Soggy, knock out not in 1 piece

Baseline
Oscar original basket: dose 20g yield 40g brew 26s
Taste: standard
Shower screen: 95% clean (I use brush with brew tap on, with a stainless steel pot to collect water instead of letting it drop into drip tray)
Puck: standard, knock out in 1 piece

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post Mar 28 2020, 02:14 PM

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Quite free to do more post today...

Why big small cups?

Thought to share about this as it actually took me more than a month to source small cups.
Why do I need one anyway?
Well, maybe some of you are measuring shot with say 1oz. I however been taught to measure yield with scale. Try it out yourself. Fill up the same 1oz cup with different liquid like juice, water, coffee etc and then measure them. Even coffee with different brewing or grinding.. they weight differently.

Getting small cup is not hard but getting a cup that fits the small space between sprout and scale is not easy. Look at pics.(mine is Oscar 1)
I have a few 1 and 2 Oz glasses with measurement but they are still too tall. I can still put them in but that will mess things up moment I removed either cup / espresso shot glass or scale.
Am a happy man with these small cups smile.gif


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post Mar 28 2020, 11:08 PM

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Hi friends, posting this because am so excited with the last brew less than 30 mins ago...
Of all the coffee taken to date (less than 5 years though), this brew gave the strongest aftertaste. Even my wife who had Latte from the same brew could feel it. smile.gif

IMS dose 22g, yield 44g, 26s, coarser than the last grinding (not able to get a suitable silicon base yet)
Taste: slight bitterness, stronger taste of body
Shower screen: 96%
Puck: looked ok, still with slight channeling, knock out with 5 knocks and broken into pieces

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post Mar 29 2020, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(pierreye @ Mar 29 2020, 12:42 AM)
Looks much better. Try this tweak. Flush some hot water out first before you put in the portafilter. This will warm up the pipe and group head.
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Hi Pierreye,
Thanks for the advices.
Flushing out for a few seconds before brewing is my common practice.
Another practice - I will usually fasten the group head handle with portafilter basket when I switch on the espresso maker. It will be heated by the time I remove it for dosing.

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post Mar 30 2020, 11:22 AM

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Last brew with 11g Brazil + 11g Columbia.
Time to clean up the grinder. This time done with just "dry cleaning". smile.gif

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post Mar 30 2020, 11:48 AM

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Cleanliness is 1 of the many reasons why we want to brew coffee at home. Please don't get me wrong, am sure that they are some that are doing good at that part...

Just some simple cleaning that would take less than 2 mins, plus 3 mins for washing portafilter basket, milk pitcher, espresso and coffee cups.

I am doing all these chores myself than leaving to maid. If the coffee session is long, I will still wash portafilter and milk pitcher myself and leave cups and other plates to maid to settle.

Attached pics of brushing and wiping shower screen and last step is to release steam.
First brush the shower screen with brew tap running.
Then wipe the shows screen with a cloth. Am using cloth for milk. It's clean most of the time.
Then release steam.

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post Mar 30 2020, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(Nairdamil @ Mar 30 2020, 11:51 AM)
hi guys,

planning to get 1 espresso machine for beginner..any1 got experience using gemilai crm3601? i see taobao quite cheap..not sure how it compares with delonghi and other brands...
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Try to google it and you can find this in Shoppe.
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post Mar 31 2020, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(pierreye @ Mar 30 2020, 02:41 PM)
You should remove the shower screen and wash the internal. You will see coffee stain from the other side. Or if you are lazy, get IMS shower screen with nanocoat. There's no coffee stain at the back even after one month of usage.
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I do remove the shower screen, brass group diffuser and soak it together with basket and portafilter every time I do do back wash, which I did today.
Do you remove shower screen everyday?

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post Mar 31 2020, 01:10 AM

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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Mar 30 2020, 09:29 PM)
Pretty obvious comparing your dose/yield vs taste notes that you have inconsistencies going on.
I see that you did lever mod on the steam wand, so question is did you mod anything else? OPV? Sirai Pressure Stat maybe?

Also, what are your grinding habits? Is this single dosing into the grinder?

IMS/VST baskets are precision baskets meaning their holes are guaranteed to be consistent in diameter and very clean. They are also in general larger in diameter than your average stock basket. In that sense, you will find that you will need to grind finer than normal when you changed baskets.
Grinding finer gives advantages of increase strength of coffee in all aspects however, if the grinder is not up to it (64mm++ burrs at least), you will find that you are producing more fines or clumping than normal. This gives you inconsistencies in your extractions later on

So in summary - your 2 areas to go analyze
1. Temperature/pressure stability in the Oscar
2. Grinder fines/clumps consistency across multiple shots
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All modifications were done by the previous owner.
I know that it has a faster heat up, OPV to control pressure which I adjust to 9.5 bar and steam handle is now with lever to control frothing.

If not mistaken, you used to use Oscar so you should be familiar with it. What more and how can I do to deal with temperature and pressure?

For grinding - does it means not far I can go than to upgrade grinder? tongue.gif

Yes, I must agree that something is not not right since I changed to a higher capacity straight wall IMS basket.
The thing that are obvious to me after the change to IMS basket - I will get more aftertaste that I like and enjoy.

Last brew today...
The best I did today with Columbia beans on IMS basket still with 1 tiny channeling (not obvious but still visible with naked eyes)
Dose of 22g yield 44g 22s brew time. Not sour at all despite of shorter brew time.
Puck knocked out in 1 piece.

Thanks...

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post Apr 4 2020, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Mar 31 2020, 04:13 PM)
Really not much you can do here.
Temperature on a HX machine (which utilizes pressure stat to control) always has limitations. You want to get yourself onto a PID controlled machine
That said, upgrading the basket might have turned out to be a "downgrade" since the other things cannot keep up to it
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Thanks for the advice.
It sounded as if I am getting to the threshold of the Oscar 1, but I will still see it from positive perspective before moving to a higher end machine. I will still want to invest in higher end grinder first when I must spend more smile.gif

For now, this is still a nice platform for me to:
1. Explore and learn better about the machine and variables that I can adjust
2. Learn more about taste
3. Continue to enjoy coffee smile.gif

I do see improvement day after day. of course sometimes better and sometimes worse. Whichever it is, every brew is a learning experience to me.

This minor upgrade with IMS basket:
-ve: things got messier with channeling, different "texture" of puck etc
+ve: 1 thing is still right... maybe due to capacity for higher dose or the change that led to different grind spec or combination of both, it's easier to get aftertaste that i like, be it from espresso or latte. Stronger taste too...

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post Apr 4 2020, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Apr 1 2020, 11:39 AM)
my general observations...

1) maybe let your grinder settle down...dun take it apart for cleaning for a few months so the burrs can wear and realign...

2) you trying to keep yield constant 40g for the longest time, now 44g... i never do this...prefer instead to stop on "degree of blonding"...this way i "know" how much "COFFEE" has been extracted...not how much "WATER" has passed through... my coffee may end up sometimes ristretto sometimes longgo...but amount of extraction is about the same...so the taste is very consistent just sometimes more intense or diluted... running a shop is different because customer may ask or ristretto or longgo and you have to be able to adjust and deliver on the yield and taste

3) your coffee is sometimes sour sometimes bitter....so probably means is not a temperature problem per se...because cold==sour...hot==bitter...you just need to be more consistent...hard to say also if the bitterness its because of over extraction... you can do a temperature test to see how hot is your water

4) forget about studying the wet puck...puckology is useless...soggy or dry depends on many factors including types of bean and roasts levels...i got beans that always give soggy puck...1 tiny dimple does not mean channeling... clue to channeling is easy....just observe how fast the coffee comes out during the first 4-5 sec... it should just start to drip out...if you get quite a good flow you have channeling, or grind too coarse, or stale beans...

5) forget about getting a new grinder for now... smile.gif

6) baskets are designed for certain range of doses...so big baskets need more coffee...
so for you to try this new 14 days...

dose as high as your basket design/allow...adjust grinder for 25-35 sec pull...learn the associated blonding color vs tastes...once you get consistent taste...then you can slowly adjust to get back the desired yield...playing with dose and grind

hope these helps and good luck
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Hi dwRK, thanks for your sharing.

1. ok, will refrain from adjusting taking grinder apart from now to let it aligns itself.

2. The initial thought was dose yield ratio of 1:2. I don't see why I can't make it to 22g:40g. Yeah, why not if getting more concentrated taste if that improves the taste. Actually am opened to explore taste.

3. I can understand temperature factor to taste profile, but not practical to me yet. Can see that it fluctuates and reheats from time to time, but i haven't been able to see and control it with my Oscar. Any suggestion how i can do it? I guessed I can't use this thermometer (pic) as the sensing is just not fast enough, i reckoned. I used to use it while heating up milk back to the time I brewed with French press.

4. Agree. Puck is the part that made me feel messy / uncomfortable, but I can still live with it and try to make it better along the way.
The first drip usually happens at about the 5-6th sec. I haven't been paying attention after that because that's the "moment" I would usually take out milk from fridge, pour into pitcher, and taste the milk with a small tea spoon (sometimes I bought spoiled lactose free milk) to get ready for milk frothing.
Will try to adjust this procedure to check on the flow of the brew.

5. Sounds good smile.gif

6. This basket is meant to house 18-22g, I supposed I am putting it to its limit.

Your analysis plus the the sharing / guidance from the few other friends in the forum are quite inspiring to me. I do get a better idea and direction on what to do and what not overlook. Thank you to the all of you.

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post Apr 7 2020, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(pierreye @ Apr 2 2020, 09:00 AM)
Just bought a Niche Zero white from Dankoff with 10% discount. I'm tired of cleaning the Macap M4 stepless as I only single dose. Hopefully it's latest batch with NFC disc.
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Hey, I share your excitement about the new Niche Zero.
(of course, am an interested party since I am looking for upgrade)
Please share your review and experience using the new toy.
If possible, share info like what other grinders you tried / tested during the shortlisting and how different is it compared to your old grinder.
Areas that I can think of to not miss: built, sound level, grinding yield, cleanliness, ease of use, how you use it and whether with dosing cup etc.

Please also share the rationale to conclude the deal. Thanks... smile.gif
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post Apr 10 2020, 10:00 AM

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I had thought about blending the coffee aroma, taste, and mouth feel that I want and like. It was that desire that pushed me to learn more about coffee, but then I realized that almost no one at the "cafe or home brewer level" is doing it. Roasters may do it to have their own house blend.
I then learned that there are many other factors all the way from sourcing of beans, roasting, storing, grinding, brewing (extraction), to sensory analysis that will affect the taste that we want. Any changes in any of these factors will make a difference to the perception of the coffee.
I hope I can still do that blending 1 day, but would focus on just the grinding, brewing and sensory parts for now, as that alone is already complicated.

I would try to avoid getting beans from supermarket because they usually sit on gondola for quite some time. Let see what Starbucks say about it:
https://athome.starbucks.com/keeping-coffee-fresh/
Actually it's not really bad as they should be vacuumed packed or nitrogen-flushed sealed.
Starbucks said their sealed bag is good for 34 weeks, so please check on the roast date.

For milk, I am sharing this captured from the book of my coffee course. It's about type of milk instead of brand.

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post Apr 10 2020, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Apr 10 2020, 09:31 AM)
It's a constant dilemma for home brewers cos it's very costly for home brewers to run experiments buying coffee by small bags.

I have a bunch of clearance beans that I don't mind letting got at RM50/kg right now due to MCO. They are actually decent Arabica bean blend just that it's past it's 2wks after roasting date and I wouldn't want to sell anymore. If you don't mind lowered taste quality, drop me a PM and we'll take it from there
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thumbup.gif Good to know that you care about the quality of what you are giving / selling to your customers.
" They are actually decent Arabica bean blend just that it's past it's 2wks after roasting date and I wouldn't want to sell anymore."


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post Apr 15 2020, 02:28 AM

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QUOTE(Nairdamil @ Apr 15 2020, 12:48 AM)
Hi guys,

I have been doing coffee with aeropress, french press, staresso and 1zpresso y3.3 for few months now...Wanted to invest in a good coffee machine and grinder after this MCO... For grinder i will be looking at the eureka mignon since my friend is using also...He recommend me to get the niche zero but the price different too much... For machine, initially i consider lower end china brand such as gemilai.. But after googling around i think i will up my budget for a better machine since i will be using this for long term... After looking around, i am looking at wpm kd310 / oscar 2 / breville dual boiler.. My friend recommend me to get the breville dual boiler because it is better than wpm kd310 thermoblock in terms of temperature control...However, my friend did told me that breville cant last very long... I am keen on the wpm kd310 because it kinda look like rocker which is classy... Can any1 share their opinion with me whether is the breville dual boiler is a better choice than the wpm kd310? btw i did read at facebook that the oscar parts spoil very often..
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Hi friend, just saw some posts that you may be interested of. Please check in page 138 of this forum.
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post Apr 15 2020, 11:04 PM

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QUOTE(lowkl @ Feb 3 2019, 10:48 PM)
I also have a Eureka Mignon; to knock out the majority of grounds I usually tip the machine backwards a half inch or so, then let it fall forward. In addition, tilting the machine forward by about 45 degrees while grinding the last bit helps a great deal....makes it closer to a Niche Zero.

For another option, you can try James Hoffman's Coffee Hack: no more static.
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Hi friends,
I continued from this message posted a year ago because it mentioned exactly the problem that I have. I found this in attempt to a solution to my grinder.

Each time (nowadays) I will take out about 22g +/-. It's not a Niche Zero, so you can tell it will turn out less that 22g. Can't remember since when, I started tilting the grinder and found out that it has a lot more at the chute. (pic) so I will usually get enough. Anyway, I also have a small cup for the extra to add / minus to get to exact or +/- 0.1g.

Today I found this useful mod. Please check it out and share your opinion.
https://youtu.be/x20t5J7zgyw

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