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Holocene
post Dec 3 2016, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Dec 3 2016, 04:59 PM)
What website is that?
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post Dec 4 2016, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(RE57 @ Dec 4 2016, 10:07 AM)
it is true medical plan with investment link will have less impact of medical premium increase in future? compared to medical plan standalone.
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The way a investment link plan work is to invest a portion of the premium to generate cash value to offset future increment of the cost of insurance and etc. If in the event the returns are on par of the sales illustration then perhaps the risk of an increase in premium is averted. In most cases, an investment link plan provides you with more riders and options compared to a standalone medical card. Do look into the features and make a decision from there.

At the end of the day, it all boils down to your budget and financial planning.

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post Dec 10 2016, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(guviguvi @ Dec 9 2016, 11:14 PM)
Would like know Great Eastern Medical insurance coverage can be extend up to singapore?
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Allianz does extend its coverage to Singapore smile.gif
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post Dec 29 2016, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(raptar_eric @ Dec 28 2016, 04:39 PM)
any prudential agents here can share the difference between PRUvalue med, and PRUlink one with medical?

i got proposed for a policy under PRUvalue med, with the following coverage:
life 300k
ci 300k
minor accident 8k
hospitalization rm200/day for room
lifetime limit 1.5mil
room and board RM300

and price is around 7k p/a... i understand from some friends that got PRUlink one with higher coverage, and lower premium... hmm so whats the difference, causing my premium to be so much higher as compared to my friend, with same premium, getting double my coverage?
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Based on the above information and the assumption that you are a healthy young adult male, with those coverage, a premium of RM7k is in my professional opinion very high. To me, it's overpriced by almost RM1.5k (assuming the CI includes early CI). I might be wrong but I'm seldom wrong. rclxms.gif

But like the other forummers here have said, request for the full Sales illustration from that agent.



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post Dec 30 2016, 05:39 AM

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QUOTE(asimov82 @ Dec 30 2016, 01:42 AM)
want to ask on the allianz ILP,
what is the list of fund available?
I check the website and seem like some are inactive/unavailable.
thanks.
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Hey asimov82,

Please refer to attachment.

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You can check them out in detail here under the fund factsheet.

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post Dec 30 2016, 09:28 PM

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KUALA LUMPUR: With 11 insu­rance policies worth RM1mil in his name – a former Royal Malaysian Air Force sergeant says he is li­­ving in fear for his life.

The 42-year-old said the policies were bought without his knowledge by his wife, and there has already been one attempt on his life.

The man, who has been a construction safety officer since retiring in 2011, said two men posing as civil engineering students attempted to strangle him inside a car on Sept 10.

He said one of the assailants had called him two days earlier under the guise of doing research on construction sites and requested to interview him at his workplace in Serdang.

He said that on the day of the interview, they picked him up at his home in Puchong in an old Kancil and went to his office, where they took some pictures of him at work.

He said that on the way home, while he was seated on the front passenger seat, a rope was put around his neck.

“I could feel the rope bite into my neck, and I thought my end had come,” said the father of four during a press conference organised by the Gerakan public complaints bureau.

Having served in the military for 18 years, he managed to turn and punch his assailant.

He then kicked the driver in the ribs before escaping from the car which had stopped in a secluded area.

A passer-by helped him call his supervisor, who took him back to the construction site.

Despite his ordeal, he said his wife was indifferent when he related his experience to her.

He became suspicious a week later when his wife received a phone call from an unknown number, which she dismissed as a wrong number.

He claimed that his wife became aggressive when he took the phone from her and called the number.

The caller’s WeChat profile picture, he said, matched one of his assailants.

“I was shocked and confronted my wife but she said that she didn’t know anything,” he added.

A month later, taking along their eldest son, she sought shelter with a women’s organisation and lodged a police report against him for abuse.

He said she had since been kicked out of the shelter and is now staying with her mother.

Ever since leaving home, she has spent RM60,000, which he discover­ed after receiving credit card bills and letters in the mail.

He feared another attempt on his life and claimed his signature was forged to buy the life and personal accident insurance.

He said the policies were found hidden in several places in his house.

His wife is the sole beneficiary on the policies, which was shown to the press along with seven police reports he lodged over four months.

“I have also lodged reports at Bank Negara and at the insurance companies involved in the forgery and they’ve taken action,” he said.

He feared his three youngest children, who are under his care, would be abandoned if something happened to him.

“I’m not looking for revenge. I want to live my life free from this cloud of fear hanging over me,” he added.

Gerakan public complaints chairman Datuk Wilson Lau Hoi Keong promised to follow up on the case with the police.

Serdang OCPD Asst Comm Megat Mohd Aminuddin Megat Alias said investigation into the assault case was underway.

He added that the investigative officers were waiting for instructions from the deputy public prosecutor.

He said the complainant had also been advised to cancel his insurance premiums.

Source: http://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2016...worries-he-wil/

Don't simply sign a form without checking what it is!
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post Dec 31 2016, 08:26 AM

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QUOTE(violetlace @ Dec 31 2016, 12:03 AM)
Guys,

Is this a good plan? The insurance agent is my friend la, he proposed AIA to me.

RM220/Monthly - I got 1 week to decide cos b'day coming

Basic Income Replacement Plan
Death Benefit - RM50k
Total Permanent Disability - RM50k
Critical Illness - RM50k
Early Pay Critical Illness - RM100K

Supp Income Replacement Plan
*Hospital & Medical - Medical Card R&B @ RM150 with APM & APMB - Annual Limit 1 Mil

Projected Returns
Age 50: 55K
Age 60: 62,400
Age 70: 14K

Questions
1- Is it good to be insured as young possible, I'm 22 yrs. The younger you are, the cheaper it is?
2- As a young person, I want to save money for more important events, so is this necessary?

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Lifebalance has given you very good advice. However it still comes back to your own budget and needs.

1) It is true
2) Insurance is necessary if you currently do not have any. Start with a medical coverage and add life coverage and critical illness.

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post Jan 4 2017, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Jan 2 2017, 06:55 PM)
hi guys, currently m taking 100k prumultiple crisis cover for 1720 per year. m lookin to forfeit this n change other term life insurance due to d facts d coverage is low. 

how much premium issit per year for any insurance wit coverage of 150k. d coverage i guess shall b d basics 1, death, tpd n critical illnesses? tq
below some of my details
34years, non smoker (more than 2years), male, construction (but mainly at office). coverage till 65years old.
ive run through https://uforlife.com.my/ . it seems for 150k, d total payment (include critical illness) will b in d range of rm5x k till 65years old. its more or less same wit my current 1. m lookin for more better monthly commitment.. tq
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It is always prudent to review your existing insurance policy time to time. If you are concern about value, just let the agent know your monthly budget. Of course as an agent, we are responsible to provide you with our professional advise however whether you take it is entirely up to you.

RM150k is low, especially if you have a family that relies on your income and if you have any liabilities. Now, the general rule is to have a Life coverage of 10 times your annual income but then again, it differs on individual needs.

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post Jan 8 2017, 08:07 AM

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QUOTE(kyone @ Jan 7 2017, 10:17 PM)
What is this "insurance value will self depreciates 10% once every 6 months minimum"? Mind explain more?

I only notice my policy states if no claim within 3 years, limit of claim will increase by 10%...
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Check this article out http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...-in-retirement/

The yearly increment of medical cost is nothing new hence nowadays you see a lot of medical coverage that comes up to RM1,000,000 annually.

Having a sitdown with your agent to review your overall insurance coverage annually is also advisable as needs in your life changes.

However, at the end of the day one must balance his own budget and coverage.

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post Jan 8 2017, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(kyone @ Jan 8 2017, 11:40 AM)
That's me. I just bought a basically-cover-all policy end of last year and the annual reimbursement limit is 1.2 mil. Didn't think too much until my friends and families pointed out the fees are on the high side. Was thinking of reviewing but now I think I'll just let it run since the medical coverage is good till 99. tongue.gif

Thanks for the explanations, guys.  thumbsup.gif
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Well it depends what you mean by fees being on the high side.

I have seen policies that are overpriced. Just yesterday a friend of mine was sharing a story where he wanted to buy a MLTA (Life insurance), the agent quoted him RM3,000 for a coverage of RM600,000. He was smart enough to ask around and found out that he can get one that only cost RM1,200.

Sometimes, it's an individual's luck too.. If you meet an unprofessional agent, it might cost you more money than needed.

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post Jan 9 2017, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(kengyan @ Jan 9 2017, 10:24 AM)
Good explanations you have here. Forgot to mention the brand earlier, it was from AIA also. Now I'm still waiting for that agent to call be back, still waiting for Feb 30th to come.
But good for you to stand up fast to make the picture more blur.
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Refer to Lifebalance's reply.

There are some doctors that charge above the reasonable & customary rates for their consulatation and surgery but these are individuals that are specialist among the specialists. A medical bill is itemised hence you can clearly see where the cost are coming from and if it is due to the Doctor's higher fee than usual, this is where your Critical Illness coverage payout comes in but then again depends if you have qualified for that within the terms and conditions.

I'll entertain the example Mnet has provided. Simple answer is that you have to pay the RM50,000 however you also need to take into account what Lifebalance has said "The hospital is also not silly enough to overcharge the insurance company because they know it will be checked, and ruin their reputation in the industry's with other competing hospitals"

From the way you've been replying it seems that you might have a bad experience with an insurance agent or insurance overall. I don't blame you for having such views however please do not stereotype insurance agents as cheaters, there are a lot of honest and professional insurance agents out there.

But thank you for raising the question, I am sure everyone especially the uninitiated will benefit the most from it, after all this thread was created to assist anyone with questions relating to life insurance. But let's keep it civil 🤓

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post Jan 9 2017, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(deminem77 @ Jan 9 2017, 12:17 PM)
Great. Does it collide with the existing Insurance that I have? My scenario is as such,

1. Bought an Insurance (Life+Medical) incl TPD but the sum was very low. RM45k (Life)/360k whole life (Medical)
2. Bought in 2011.
3. Admitted once in 2013 in Park CIty MC

Now I want to buy RM200k policy for life only. How?

My diabetic reading is between 7mmol - 12mmol
No Blood Pressure
But got a bit high cholesterol.

Can Pass??
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Whether can pass or not depends on the information provided to the Insurance Company underwriter.

I'm lucky because my agency has an underwriter that helps me screen through every medical/life insurance application and she also liase with the dedicated underwriter to my agency from Allianz for any deferment cases.

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post Jan 10 2017, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(kazekage_09 @ Jan 10 2017, 09:43 AM)
So there is no generalization in this matter? Because in my thinking, one should focus first on his income protection. If one falls sick, at least there are government hospital. But if one dies, there are no one to help his family expenses if he not having any life policy.
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It really depends on what the client is looking for and need. Hence it is always advisable to meet up with a professional agent that can share with you the options once he/she gets to know your financial situation.

For Allianz at least, the medical card and life insurance comes together.

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Jiansheng

This post has been edited by Holocene: Jan 10 2017, 10:06 AM
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QUOTE(lionelzc @ Jan 21 2017, 09:43 AM)
Hello all sifus,

I have some questions about MRTA death claim because my father passed away three weeks ago and I'm in the midst of preparing the documents required.

1)My question is, is there anyone who claimed this before?

I tried searching online and through lowyat and get many threads about MRTA vs MLTA instead.
2) One of the documents in the list is Letter of Administration which will take about two months to get done. Is it required by all banks?

If so, why do they not put it in the list at their websites?

3) And according to the bank which the property is under loan, I still have to pay the loan while it is processed. Not that I don't want to pay but currently finances haven;t been all that good.
And also another question which is under life insurance. How long does it take for a death claim? AIA quoted 3 weeks but I haven't heard from them yet.

Online searches reveal it could take about two months to fully process, does it usually take that long?

Sorry for the many questions and I hope sifus can patiently answer all of them. notworthy.gif
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Sorry to hear about your lost lionelzc, although death ends a life but it doesn't end a relationship.

If there wasn't a will, the a Letter of Administration will be required.

You can get in touch with the bank customer service you will definitely need to provide your father's death certificate. Until the entire processing from the bank is completed, the installment will need to be paid out. What you found out about the processing timing is about correct however you need to ensure all the documents are in order.

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post Jan 21 2017, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Jan 21 2017, 11:05 AM)
Quick question, agents are allowed to represent 2 general insurance companies?
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post Jan 26 2017, 08:21 AM

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QUOTE(heavensea @ Jan 26 2017, 03:31 AM)
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Hi guys, I've few questions regarding this AIA investment plan I've mentioned in tgis thread (few months ago).

Regarding insurance:
1) What's Basic Cash value? Do I get it when I decided to stop this plan?
2) How much of money that I can get if I surrender as at 33 years old?
3) Why this investment plan (projection returns) like not growing money?
Regarding money invested vs Returns:
4) How it's calculated? I feel like I would "lose more money" if I didn't surrender asap...
5) I've do many calculations before (based on my shallow knowledge). The returns of my plan is worse than I park my money in FD = 5915.5 x 10 years FD (3.5% per annum)
6) Should I surrender it ASAP to "admit lose" to cut lose?

Thanks everyone for read this, good night. smile.gif
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1) I believe that would be your "capital" plus penalty should you surrender early
2) please refer to the non guarantee section of your surrender value. Again this is a projection it could differ but the guarantee portion will be guaranteed. So to speak.
3) You sure this is an investment plan? Seems more like a saving plan to me
4) What was your intention when you signed up? Investment or saving?
6) If you can comfortably save the amount then there is no point surrendering it.

A successful saving plan is not because of the RM40 you earn interest on but the fact that you actually saved RM1000. If you are saving only 10% of your annual income into these saving plan I would say that's quite manageable however if you are saving 50% of your income here... then that might be a problem for your financial growth.

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post Jan 26 2017, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(heavensea @ Jan 26 2017, 01:56 PM)
Thanks jiansheng for your kindly replied,
3) This is a savings plan? No wonder returns so low...
4) I was tend to invest.
6) Yes I can, but I feel it (the plan) doesn't good because the returns are so low... (for initial years) can't even in par with 3.5% FD rate. However it offered protection & FD offered liquidity.

I heard many bad rumors about I can't even get back the 60k I've invested when I tend to surrender when it's "matuted"... I feel like naik kereta ad.
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Seems like you and your agent had a miscommunication during the discussion phase on what you need.

I always say it really depends on your luck the kind of agent you will meet. If the amount saved does not affect you financially then consider to continue the plan.

Rumors are just that. Get in touch with a professional agent and have him/her run through your policy with you.

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QUOTE(wonglokat @ Jan 26 2017, 02:26 PM)
I just digged up current policy (ILP) of 9 years. Plan to understand where my premiums go and decide what to do next.

Some questions here as I proceed page by page (and related annexes)

1. how is total sum insured calculated? On the cover page death benefits equals 50k but if I roughly add up all the other optional benefits as stated in each annexure, it's comes up to about 500k

2. Is there a formula to obtain ballpark figure of a properly protected single male? Will increase coverage if needed.

3. If #2 happens, is it advisable to add to current plan or look for a separate plan?

Thanks
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1. Refer to Lifebalance answer. If you don't mind, share a screen shot of the summary page on your benefits.

2. Usually it is 10 times of your annual income however it also depends how much liabilities you have out there and you'll have a rough idea how much insurance you need to cover them and also survive on if anything happens.

3. Depends on the situation.

Now that you've have a rough idea get in touch with your agent and share your concerns with him.

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post Jan 26 2017, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(wonglokat @ Jan 26 2017, 04:17 PM)
Thank you both for your replies. I've work out my vegetable fund to be about 725k. But a measly 50k should I get run over by a vehicle tomorrow and die. Now, that's still a selfish occurrence. After land cost/crematorium, my folks will be left probably half that. More if they decide to nail plywood.

Let me know if I read the annexure wrong. Will hook up with my agent in the coming weeks but relatively better equipped now.

Inputs welcomed. Solicitations not. Not yet anyway.
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wonglokat without really knowing your situation and having the policies infront of us it's very hard to give a proper input.

Unless you can come up with specific questions then we can help you with themy.

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post Jan 26 2017, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(ntdote @ Jan 26 2017, 05:41 PM)
AIA

pls quote basic infant insurance package with 1mil coverage for hospitalization

tq
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