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 Insurance Talk V3, Anything and everything about insurance

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Holocene
post Oct 25 2016, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(Vint @ Oct 24 2016, 09:32 PM)
I'm 27 , a male doctor , interested in health card. pm me details tq.
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post Oct 26 2016, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(kazekage_09 @ Oct 26 2016, 09:40 AM)
FPP is an option for those who can afford to pay and get to choose their favourite surgeon/specialist. The RM1 service will still be there. That letter maybe purposely being viral by certain individuals to create some havoc since near the Budget 2017. FPP exist long time already.

From what I know FPP also is also government initiative to keep the specialist in gov sector from going to private. As we know specialist in private earn so so much more compared to gov. So with FPP those specialist can get a good additional income.
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Hahaha in fact my friend, a pharmacist in a Sabah hospital told me the exact same thing!

Nowadays, pressing the share button in Facebook is too easy and little or non verification has been made before the information is shared to others.


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post Oct 26 2016, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 26 2016, 07:47 PM)
Iol after what happened to my agent. no thanks. I'm not gonna trust any agent for now on. I'm just  gonna start telling everyone to get their health covered with a basic health coverage and be prudent in their savings.
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Avangelice, rather than doing that perhaps you should advise your friends and educate them on what life insurance is and how the mechanics of an investment linked plan works so they can make their own decision when it comes to buying a life insurance. A life insurance plan is a very personal one as everybody needs are unique.

If you go around telling people to get basic coverage and be prudent in their saving, not saying that you are wrong but there is always a chance that someone might get hit by a major injury or illness and require a high coverage or income replacement. When that happens, and knowing that person will be facing financial difficulties due to your advise of only getting a basic health coverage and be prudent with their savings, will you then assist them financially?

It is easy to go around disregarding the importance of a complete life and health insurance plan, especially if you've been wronged by an agent but please take some time to think about the question above.

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post Oct 26 2016, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 26 2016, 08:08 PM)
my problem is you are supposed to be selling insurance not an investment if it were I would have gotten a public mutual agent or someone else.

trying to market it as savings is just wrong because the agent gets a cut out of the funds, on top of the management fees by the company and what not.

at least public mutual agents are honest about their dealing.not trying to argue with you but I seen one too many cases of insurance agents trying to be investment agents
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This is borderline misspelling and taking opportunity on the tern "investment linked" to mislead the uneducated public.

Next time, write down their agent code and file a complaint. I noticed that most of the time, these so called agents don't even realised what they are doing is wrong. Pity those that sign up with them.
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post Oct 27 2016, 07:49 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 26 2016, 10:54 PM)
I am not here to cause a fight but I think the insurance agents need to realize that they will be out phase sooner or later. heck we can now purchase prudential and Zurich plans in FSM and the vendors are slowly increasing.

what I am trying to saying is bring back the human touch of being an agent. know that though your work you know you are saving families from hardships in times of sickness or a fatal incident. part of your work saves us medical practitioners from feeling bad that people cannot accept medical.

each and everyone of you must remind yourselves the true essence of having a comprehensive insurance and not market it as a savings investment premium. leave it to financial planners. you guys are not the best financial planners at all.
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Problem is some agents like to call themselves financial planner or adviser. So what do you expect when they do that? I rather call it as it is, I am an agent. Though we sort of "plan" or "advise" clients on mitigating life's risk financially, in no way are we a financial planner. Unless you have a CFP or other actual financial planning certificate and provide a holistic financial planning, why are they even calling themselves financial planners? 😂

Anyways, from your replies I can tell you are a nice guy, too nice maybe. In every profession there is bound to be a rotten apple, next time just pick them clearly. Learn from your experience. If you really have ano unsatisfactory service you should also make a complaint or file a report, to save others from experiencing the same thing.

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post Oct 27 2016, 07:21 PM

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QUOTE(Vingoh @ Oct 27 2016, 06:53 PM)
My policy bought 10 year ago, still can upgrade?
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You need to check with your servicing agent. If it is anot investment linked policy, without going in to the details, you should be able to.
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post Oct 29 2016, 11:46 AM

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Ok, everybody take a breath and relax ya.

First we need to be able to establish that the purpose for saving and investment is very very different. Saving is just that, we save to ensure that at a certain point in the future, we will have x amount of money. Through the process, you'll likely to receive a certain % of interest in return however it won't be making you rich. Investment on the other hand is all about wealth creation.

As shared by our moderator cherroy, a saving plan can serve multiple purpose, one particular popular one is wealth distribution. From the grapevine, I've heard a particular agent managed to sign a RM300k annual premium on saving plan from an individual and believe it or not, that is still not the highest in Malaysia.

If you are using an investment vehicle returns to compare against a saving plan's, there is no chance in our lifetime that a saving plan will beat it.

WHEN you look beyond the "returns" it still has it's uses, believe me thumbsup.gif

On a different note, have you all heard? Allianz is eyeing a possible takeover of HSBC Amanah Takaful

http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...amanah-takaful/








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post Oct 30 2016, 08:55 AM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Oct 29 2016, 10:57 PM)
In the past I've raised the importance of considering the investment linked fund returns when selecting insurance company for investment linked policies and it usually get shot down with the standard 'don't mix protection with investment' bla bla. But the investment linked funds will help you grow the capital to sustain the higher insurance cost later on and therefore is an important consideration.

In the past there's no easy way to compare returns of these investment linked funds. Today someone sent me this website that has the info so I'm sharing this with you guys

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So clearly not all funds do well and if you are with the lower returns one, you may end up with less cash value, or worse, running out of cash value later on and have to increase premium to maintain the policy

Credits: http://iportfolio.com.my/compare
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Wow thanks for this info dasecret! Definitely a useful website. Your understanding of what investments linked plan is suppose to be used for is correct!
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post Oct 30 2016, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(sekelord @ Oct 30 2016, 08:10 AM)
Hi to all insurance expert,

I would like to inquiry the following, hope to get advise from all,

I am looking for a insurance for my mom,
mainly medical protection,
she is around 68 years old,
i understand the last call is 69 years old.
Date of birth: 28 march 1948.

Kindly help to advice which is better, medical protection only? or Investment link (with medical protection)?

I had a check with ING aka AIA
the price is around RM7,600 for medical protection only and around 9600 for investment  link which the price can maintain for about 10 years at RM9,600.

I not sure what is best selection, need comment from insurance expert here in the forum to help.
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Hi sekelord,

Rather than just comparing the premium price, you also need to compare the benefits. Which plan fulfills your requirement.

Would you mind sharing the name of the plans or better yet, the benefits each plan provides?

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Jiansheng/Holocene

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post Oct 30 2016, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(sekelord @ Oct 30 2016, 09:36 AM)
I think is plan 150 plus rider.dont know rider name
But i am asking for investment link which at least the price of premium is fix for some time maybe like 10 years?
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If amount of premium is not an issue, perhaps you can think about going for investment link. From my own experience, investment linked medical card usually provides better coverage though it is more expensive for someone with an advance age, at least that is true for the Company that I represent but then again it all boils down to which plan better serves your needs or your mother needs in this case.

Whether or not the premium will be fixed for the next 10 years depends on the performance of the fund and if the allocation of the premium is done efficiently.

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post Nov 3 2016, 04:46 PM

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On top of searching for the best plan for yourself, it is also important that you find the right agent to service you.
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post Nov 5 2016, 08:18 AM

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QUOTE(heavensea @ Nov 5 2016, 07:52 AM)
Hi all,
my current standalone medical card, RM7XX premium/year with:
140k per annum
No annual limit

I'm at the end of 20s, should I keep this plan "until I'm old" (of course it will be super duper.expensive when I'm "old") or I should have change to investment link policy, RM26xx premium/year with:
1million per annum
No annual limit

However my agent told me that since I've done gastroscopy (the result is benign) and appendicitis operation with the standalone medical card, so the insurance company will not insured my "stomach" when I bought the new medical card with investment link (RM26xx).. she advise me to keep both which is kinda costly for.. is it truth or myth?

that's why I've been thinking why not I just keep the standalone medical card (for 3x years) with 140k annual limit.. but I'm also afraid of 140k is never enough for medical bills in the future.
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You can apply and wait for the offer letter then make your decision. The decision to cover or not depends on the underwriting department. You never know.
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post Nov 5 2016, 10:09 AM

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Repost.

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post Nov 5 2016, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(heavensea @ Nov 5 2016, 08:22 AM)
Thanks for the feedbacks, do I charge for anything during waiting for apply? My agent want to charge my cc for half year premium, that's why I don't want to proceed..

And i would keep my standalone mc only, for the rest of my life. Cons is annual limit 140k, pros is no life time limit.
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There is no hard and fast rule how many months your credit card should be charged. Request for monthly payment then, usually the company will charge 2 months premium in the first payment.

You need to declare your past medical history during the application. Wait for the deferment letter and see what needs to be done or if your existing report can be used.

If at the end, you are not satisfied with the terms provided by the insurance company you can choose to decline the offer. You will then receive your refund minus some expenses (medical check up fee and etc) if incurred.
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post Nov 5 2016, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(heavensea @ Nov 5 2016, 10:23 AM)
thanks sir,
your advise is I opt for 2 months premium to be charge when I sign the new medical card, but if I can ask for refund if I'm not satisfied that they refuse to cover my stomach health?

actually I don't understand why simply gastroscopy (result is benign) and appendicitis opetation would caused them don't exclude this in my future medical plan.. after all, gastrocopy=medical check up and appendicitis operation is very usual operation...
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Just let your agent know that you would like to do monthly payment instead of half yearly. You won't be asking for a refund, just that you reject the terms if you don't like them.

Whether the insurance company covers you or not depends a lot on their findings and risk assessment, in other words the underwriters discretion.

My clients are lucky in a sense because we actually have a former underwriter in our agency, she assist the agents by being the contact person to our insurance company's underwriting department. This ensures our clients' deferments, if any are well managed. I've heard horror stories where medical card application got delayed simply because the agent wasn't very sure what to do, and didn't seek any clarification. One example is that the deferment letter was only passed to my client 4 months later which by then the application got rejected due to no updates.

My advise is that you already understand the increasing cost of medical expenses and would like to acquire another medical card to manage the risk. Apply for one, regardless if they exclude your prior medical condition. After all, you are managing life's risk as a whole.

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post Nov 10 2016, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(galaxynote259 @ Nov 10 2016, 07:48 PM)
Is this something to worry about if I wanna buy medical card? 

How to prevent this from happening.. Like how come the doctor won't issue a report?
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So long your claim is covered by your insurance as per your policy this is nothing to worry about. As we are not privy to those information no further comments can be given.

Time to put your agent to work.
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post Nov 12 2016, 06:47 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Nov 11 2016, 09:39 PM)
1) purchased under the pressure of friendship.

2) purchase a year back when I didn't know the difference between investment linked insurance to protection coverage and medical coverage to life insurance.

3) instructed the "friend" I wanted more medical coverage and she go make me sign a insurance linked plan until I went through my policy online and found out what I purchased was not what intended.

4) calculated the irr for the investment linked insurance (purchase of unit trusts under the insurance company)  and its piss poor compared to what I am getting from retail unittrusts
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A,

I'd advise that you ensure your new medical card/insurance has exceed the waiting period prior surrendering your existing one. Insurance products are tools for risk management but without proper care taken, the transition period between your old insurance and the new one could mean a significant risk to yourself. Remember, do not be penny wise, pound foolish.

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post Nov 12 2016, 07:04 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Nov 12 2016, 06:50 AM)
dont worry buddy, my medical card and insurance is retained, just removed the imsurance linked plan.

after im getting the cheque i am going to look for another insurance coverage
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A,

Ah that's good to know 😊👍🏽

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post Dec 1 2016, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(popice2u @ Nov 29 2016, 08:09 PM)
got AIA, got Great Eastern, got Prudential....actually which one has the best package say for medical plan?
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I sad Allianz not even mentioned 😭
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post Dec 2 2016, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(lyt25_1234 @ Dec 2 2016, 12:54 PM)
Thanks for the quick reply!
So my wife will be treated equally as to Malaysian buying any insurance in Malaysia?
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For Allianz there is no such exclusion due to being a foreigner however during application for the medical card you have to ensure all proper documentation are provided, ie marriage certificate, residential status and etc..

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