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post May 7 2007, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(vunjick1 @ May 7 2007, 01:37 AM)
Tried Samsung HD-860, not much different via HDMI 480 -> 720-> 1080i... so SOLD it and upgraded.
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Just read from some Projector review... It seems like if you are using anything less than 50" TV/LCD/Plasma/Projector... you can hardly tell the difference between 480p,720p or 1080p. (meaning 480-720 & 720-1080, not 480-1080).

But anything bigger than that, then you will see the difference. Of course, there is a lot of difference between analog and digital-in my opinion.
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post May 7 2007, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(dirtrun @ May 7 2007, 11:32 AM)
Hi,

Oppo 981 hd is selling for S$425 at de moment thru a group buy in one of de forums...

Sorry la no time to do group buy ... besides it takes my contact in Sg a long time to transport it out to Mal( I am a very patient man mah...) ... oh ya and I am up north so lagi teruk cos most of you guys are in KL, rite?

Maybe, some kind soul in JB can help do tis?

On performance of de oppo981 : de other nite one of my dvds was hangin on de oppo so transferred to my trusty pioneer 380 and continued where we left off and my wife who is a total noob( dunno wat is 480 or 720 or anything like dat) went on to say, wah, de picture looked better playing from de oppo(I am outputting 720p out to my epson pj) .... so there is some difference after all..

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Your screen how many inch? Kekekekeke...
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post May 7 2007, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(dirtrun @ May 7 2007, 02:41 PM)
96 X 54 inches
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Sure la syiok...

When u are having 32" LCD... then whether you can tell the difference or not between 720 & 1080 or not... thats another question.
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post May 7 2007, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(sunauto @ May 7 2007, 07:53 PM)
If for 32' or 40', it native panel has a resolution of 720p, I guess there won't be any difference wheter you feed it with 1080p or 1080i resolution because the panel has enough pixels to do 720p only unless you're talking about Samsung's M8 or Sony's Bravia X  full HD panels. Frankly speaking, 1080p on a 40' ain't too different from 720p sources unless the screen is bigger beyond 40', the difference is just that the constrast and brightness are better because the M8 and Bravia X has a better contrast ratio and brightness plus the panel is of better quality, colours appear more vivid and the blacks produced are much deeper.
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Yup... its new gimmicks that make people think there is such improvement but basically they pay for other things instead. Like what you said... Contrast and brightness.

In terms of pixels, I don't think you can tell the difference.
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post May 8 2007, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(sunauto @ May 8 2007, 02:06 AM)
Very true, the 1080p hype is nothing but a marketing gimmick, hardly noticeable for 40 inches and below. I guess the most important thing is the overall PQ, how well it accepts SD signals and the accuracy of the colours displayed. These three criteria will be more important in choosy your ideal HDTV panel.

For those who bought a Sony Bravia X or Samsung M8 , they will be disappointed to know that your set is not future ready as the 1080p signal is divided to 1080p 24fps or 60fps so the latest models due out end of this year, will support 1080p 24fps so imagine if you got a full HD set now, you'll be disappointed to know you have wasted RM15,000 on something which isn't future ready, no doubt Blu-Ray or HD-DVD players can output at 1080p 60fps but the actual movie is encoded at 1080p 24fps. When all players can output at 1080p 24fps, you'll be sitting there crying that your panel is unable to do it. It doesn't affect others owning a normal 1366 x 768 HDTV panel as the panel's native resolution is just 720p so setting anything above 720p will not see any dramatic differences.
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Wowl... I didn't know about the 24fps thingy. Well, I guess at points, Malaysians are rich and easily becoming a water fish... if you know what I mean.
Even in this forum, its only a fraction of the population that is keen on knowing what they are buying. The rest just leave to their pocket to do the search.


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post May 10 2007, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ May 9 2007, 03:41 PM)
Another thing is that I wonder whether how many of them actaully know what is 1080p and 1080i at the first place when buying the unit.
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Many of them don't even know what is 480 or 720 or 1080, i or P...
They just buy the most expensive one and assume they got the best.

For example... how many ppl know Sharp got one of the best LCDs in the market?

If we go and do a survey, I'd say most people will choose Sony or Samsung as they do the most advertisement.


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post May 11 2007, 01:50 AM

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QUOTE(sunauto @ May 11 2007, 01:37 AM)
Well, most people will notice that the set is HDTV ready and that's good enough for them.  sweat.gif
All HD movies are shot in 1080p 24 fps per second so if your player or HDTV set only accepts 1080p 60 fps, it has to perform a process known as 3:2 pull-down (or reverse 2:3 pull-down) so that the movie runs at 1080p 24 fps. This process will often result in motion judder in fast movie or sport scenes, like not smooth and laggy. This do happen to normal dvds running in progressive scan mode on a cheap dvd player with an inferior deinterlacing chip. For HD movies, if you can get the player to output at 1080p 24 fps and with your display capable of accepting 1080p 24 fps, no pull-down process will be involved so you'll be getting a much clear and smoother picture. Currently, most blu-ray and hd-dvd players output at 1080p 60fps except for Pioneer's blu-ray player, it is capable to output at 1080p 24 fps but that baby costs a bomb. For the PS3, XBOX 360, high end pcs with HDMI output, they can output at 1080p 60fps because most games are running at 60fps so no pull-down conversation is needed, except for movies.

Currently, getting a display capable of doing 1080p is not future ready yet until they're able to do accept 1080p 24 fps and also 100% HDMI v1.3 compliant, able to output in 36-bit colour (currently not possible with LCD tvs). Hopefully, that's about it for the HD format as there might be other newer things that might pop up in a year or two but I can prefer much say that we're safer to watch our dvd movies on an upscale dvd player, at least the dvd technology has matured and there won't be anymore addition changes to it for good.
To most people, expensive means better so if Proton Perdana is more expensive than Toyota Vios, that means a Perdana is better.  sweat.gif  That's why there are a lot of waterfish out there, people lack the product knowledge, they can't simply buy something based on the price tag, brand or those marketing gimmicks / hype. That's a big no no when shopping for the stuff that you want.
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Nice explaination there bro. Now I know why the screen is jittery when it moves. When I was in ESH electrical shop few months back, one of the salesman was promoting a Philips model that can produce a smooth screen. He played the same movie on 4 LCDs at the same time tested it in front of us. And yeah... it was smooth compared to others.
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post May 12 2007, 08:40 AM

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QUOTE(saiga @ May 12 2007, 12:48 AM)
How to know what the display lcd tv capable of displaying? Check the product specs? How about Sharp PX5M?
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For sure you got to check the product spec.

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post May 12 2007, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(shipal @ May 12 2007, 10:12 AM)
For smooth picture, no need to wait for powerful display... just get good dvd player that handles deinterlacing/chroma/etc problems well. Refer to SECRETS for ratings and studies results.

If someone gets a 1080p display but pair with cheapo dvd player, wat to expect.
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Yup! Kinda...
Something like Do Your Homework before you buy...
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post Jun 4 2007, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(ICDeadPeople @ Jun 4 2007, 03:56 PM)
Is NS76H region free? If not and I want to hack it, do i still need a programmable remote to hack it? Any other way?
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Its region free. Don't worry.

QUOTE(groucho @ Jun 4 2007, 03:59 PM)
i can agree with this.. the DVP NS76H is great, as well as this, pioneer and phillips are great brands with good reputations.

I think Sony is best overall however. they look good, have good features, good build quality and have good remotes as well smile.gif
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Actually, we have tried many... demo only, not buy la... but seems the Sony is most reliable. The Philips output was still ok but Pioneer... strangely was not as good and many condemn it.
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post Jun 4 2007, 08:52 PM

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QUOTE(superhifi77 @ Jun 4 2007, 05:45 PM)
Respone Time of a LCD TV can improve Picture Quality?
Thanks
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Although I don't have an LCD TV, but I guess it should. Coz I saw the demo in ESH... Anyway... wrong thread la brader...
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post Jul 3 2007, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(schizophrenic @ Jul 3 2007, 03:38 PM)
I'm thinking of pairing Sony NS76H with Samsung's R81 32" via HDMI

anyone paired these 2 before? hows the quality like?
I've seen the pairing with Sony V200 32" and its really good.
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At 32", the difference you can see is from analog to digital. Not so much on the 720p thingy.

But no matter how, analog will never be better than digital... this is for sure...
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post Jul 5 2007, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(neoardi @ Jul 4 2007, 05:41 PM)
But b4 this this, i'm considering to buy the Sony 76H, but then its no use to buy it since I don't see any better result compare to the PS3.
Here are a sample taken from my 46" Bravia X.
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FOR ME, its good enough  thumbup.gif
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No difference?
How do you come out with that conclusion?
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post Oct 28 2007, 09:42 AM

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Wow... this thread is still alive and kicking.
Sometimes, it doesn't matter new or old. As long as the player you love still kicking and performing.
Hey guys... check out my Home Theater Section. I've added new pics for Epson TW700.
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post Oct 28 2007, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(Ngto @ Oct 28 2007, 10:00 AM)
Hi Tim,

How are things? I really envy your Home Theatre. Hope one day I can own even half of what you have got smile.gif
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Hey! Hey!
Its nothing much. I don't spend on drinking, womanizing, buying nice clothes, driving nice cars... having fancy handphones... so... there you go. All my money is on my gadgets.
Its not expensive to set up. But I'd say the most difficult thing is to get a place to enjoy it.

He! He!... back to DVD players... tongue.gif
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post Nov 4 2007, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(sunauto @ Nov 4 2007, 03:28 AM)
Wah, jealous lor ....... the first Penangite to own a Sony NS78.  tongue.gif

So, how's the playability of this player? Does it play ahem dvds as good as the previous model?

Honestly, I thought of buying one too since the price is quite affordable. It's more feasible than repairing a dvd player with a lens problem.

The most angry part, US people can get a Toshiba HD-DVD player for USD200 and that's only RM680 plus the most in our currency plus with 7 free HD-DVD movies. Damn ....... if only it was selling, I guess Sony NS78 will be a lot cheaper since at the current price point, people don't mind paying RM200 for a next-gen player and best of all, Toshiba's HD-DVD player comes with a free HDMI cable.  doh.gif

Toshiba Malaysia is probably sleeping, still selling their player above RM2K plus. I wonder who will buy it.
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Really? So cheap? My friend is going to USA... may be can ask him to help buy.... Any site for online buy?
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xetajones... again... it will go back to the HDMI cable war zone (check that thread out).

Anyway, when you guys talking about which player is better... do look at what system you have.
Having a 29" CRT TV does not require N76H or 78H. Output still same.

Having a 32" LCD... usually does not give you any difference in term of 720p and 1080p.

Even having 40 or 42" LCD... you will not see any difference.

But there will b a lot of difference between digital and analog (HDMI/DVI vs S Video/Component)

What is more important is whether the player can play your ahem discs. Whether the response is good or not.

we have discussed many pages on which player earlier and for budget players with HDMI capabilities, seems like Sony N76H is the chosen one. It is capable of playing bad ahem disc and good pic quality.

N78H... I am not sure. But if you only have 42" LCD, why bother about 720p and 1080p? You won't see the difference.
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Nov 9 2007, 10:34 AM)
timothy... u know lar.. ppl...
buy phone for sms and callin nia, but the function must be pre equipped kaw kaw mar... same thing lor
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yaya...
Just like they buy 3G phone but never subscribe to 3G.
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post Nov 9 2007, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(rx330 @ Nov 9 2007, 01:25 PM)
kekekekeke, biasa lar... some say future proof, but how many users really proofed it? biggrin.gif
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Future fool got la.
Before they get to prove it, they already change.
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post Nov 14 2007, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Nov 14 2007, 05:05 PM)
I need a conformation on this, cannot be probably as REGION LOCK is of Upmost importance in my purchase consideration. I got many different region coded DVDs.
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Why so difficult? Just bring your DVD to shop and test. You asked us here will not give you a definite answer.

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