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post Jan 24 2016, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(ohcipala @ Jan 24 2016, 01:17 PM)
kkk8787 Build a good portfolio, not a rojak of all "best  or recommended" funds. Like a football team, you want a team with players of good synergy, not a team with superstars but not complimenting each other.

Credits to Pink Spider ah. I learn this from him too tongue.gif.

Anyway, you can always ask FSM to help you to build a portfolio and there's also an article about how to build one on FSM. I don't have the link but a few pages back, someone posted it
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ya. need to ask for some advice and adjustment on Monday.
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post Jan 24 2016, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jan 24 2016, 02:06 PM)
Your portfolio looks like the European Union i.e., too many decision makers speaking in 6 to 7 language to each other... no wonder it is so messy!

K.I.S.S!

Xuzen
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now wanna pullback, I dunno which to pull d, I wanna pull out from Asia Pacific when it goes higher but never happened.
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post Jan 24 2016, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jan 24 2016, 02:40 PM)
Relax bro.. it will go higher! Patients!
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Patience I will. will off the tracking for now....open back in 1 month
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post Jan 24 2016, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jan 24 2016, 10:46 PM)
Bro, Monday is a public holiday. You can ask CIS on Tuesday. Please share their advice here if possible. Would they advise that:-

1.  You have deworsified?
2.  Over traded?
3.  Did not follow VA or RSP?

Without knowing your investor profile, I suspect the main problem is No. 1 above. This means you are buying too many funds which have a high degree of correlation. My own definition of high is 0.85 positive correlation and above.

An e.g. of deworsification is when Fund A is selling Maybank at RM8 because he thinks it is too expensive. Fund B is buying Maybank at RM8 because he thinks it is cheap.

As an investor, you are holding both Fund A and Fund B in your portfolio and paying the transaction costs for this Maybank deal. So what do you get at the end of the day? 1-1 = 0
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Wow now I understand why ppl say dun overdiversify. Or do i. Ok the thing is that the CIS in ny experience wont give clear definate answer, usually just a genera anwer. Maybe i asking wrong question. I need specific answer. Usually they will just give a generalise answer like we advice customer to stay invested and reap the benefit in long term

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post Jan 24 2016, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jan 24 2016, 11:01 PM)
Never ask never know. Thus far I have only dealt with Alfred from FSM. I truly think he is the gold standard in his services.

Doesn't FSM design or recommend a portfolio for high value investors after assessing their risk profile? I dunno know. I am just guessing.
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When i went in many years back then, started with small amount. After that rarely approach them already.
Anyway dun misunderstood i not high value also

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post Jan 24 2016, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jan 24 2016, 11:24 PM)
Sorry I just assume high value  because I thought you posted before that your current loss now is equivalent to the price of a Proton Saga. That's a lot of money in terms of paper loss.
I see. So if ordinary investors ask the CIS for their advice, would they just say please follow one of the FSM Recommmeded Portfolios, do RSP and have a long term investing horizon of 5 years and above?
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Value lost that much coz portfolio imbalance haha. Well I think high value are those hitting 7 figure ones. I personally wont put 7 figure into it, real estate maybe
I did ask before on funds specifically. They will explain la based on lets say current condition bla bla bla...we think that china will be so and so. However volatility might be seen in short term, we advice customer to stay invested and ride through the volatility. They will give u pros and cons but at the end you still need to make the call to buy or not

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post Jan 24 2016, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(lukenn @ Jan 24 2016, 11:32 PM)
dasecret is mutli diamond studded platinum status. Min AUM is RM10,000,000.  icon_rolleyes.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Lukenn u work in which line. Initially tot u FMS sorry
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post Jan 24 2016, 11:41 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jan 24 2016, 11:33 PM)
Well if it is any consolation to you, my current paper loss is about RM30k but I still ZZZ at night like a baby.

My approach to life? Don't worry be happy. This too shall pass.  smile.gif
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The close 1 eye approach. Nola i just thinking of taking out the money to dump into real estate. I understand property better. But ya i dun really care coz I'm prolonging my horizon d. Initially tot wanna withdraw this year, now just prolong lo. No worries haha
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post Jan 24 2016, 11:51 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 24 2016, 11:45 PM)
thumbup.gif yes, b'cos it is our money.....
I think this also applies to paid consultant services too....
hmm.gif unless one go for ASx - FP and say,...I don't care what or how you invest...I just want some dividend to be paid annually and when I had enough I sell it back to you at the same value as I bought now....
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Hahaha, i was sort of like hey u know i have a bit of money, i wan something that will turn into more money, low risk. Just do for me i dun wanna know what equities are thise lol. They will start telling u on your risk appetite, horizon and so on. And recommend what is suitable, but not exact funds but rather a region or a segment usually. If some1 can just take they money and say ok i guarantee yearly divident is 5.5% , I think i also happy d. Guaranteed return wo higher than FD
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post Jan 24 2016, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(lukenn @ Jan 24 2016, 11:49 PM)
I dont work for FSM ...  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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Haha does FSM actuallybread this page. Anyway what is the qualification to be a consultant in lets say fsm. Because i have colleague. They are definately better than usual public mutual agents right
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post Jan 25 2016, 06:59 AM

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how u guys know today FSM Holiday ah. Coz Thaipusam applies to some states only right.
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post Jan 25 2016, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(lukenn @ Jan 25 2016, 12:11 PM)
I really don't mind giving my RM0.02, some of the forumers here can attest to that. I just got a little annoyed the when one fella was demanding this and that.
Paper loss is not yes realized its a loss .... ?? laugh.gif
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We appreciate your input Lukenn notworthy.gif rclxms.gif
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post Jan 25 2016, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(lukenn @ Jan 25 2016, 12:59 PM)
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high correlation and high overlapping coverage is not necessarily a bad thing. Just remember to adjust the allocation..

eg :

local equity allocation 40% ==> KGF 20%

      - or -

local quitey allocation 40% ==> KGF 20% + EISC 20%
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Lukenn sorry just want to ask regarding these investment consultants in FSM. Are they just normal fund advisors like those we get in premium banking who keeps asking you to buy funds or they are even more professional than that, like roughly can tell u when market is not that optimistic in near future. Those in premium banking sometimes you feel like a fund salesman only
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post Jan 25 2016, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Jan 25 2016, 01:07 PM)
No offense. This question is like asking Texas chicken boss if he thinks KFC is nice. No matter what Texas chicken boss say also die 😜
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No la, I wonder we ther they are as good as Lukenn ..hehe.. or just some salesman
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post Jan 25 2016, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jan 25 2016, 01:06 PM)
They are just fund salesmen. They're there just for the old people that don't use the Internet, If you can do it online, you won't need them at all.
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N I dun mean the customer service like front counter people but the one called CIS, can they analyse a portfolio thoroughly and tell you what went wrong
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post Jan 25 2016, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(lukenn @ Jan 25 2016, 01:14 PM)
You try first and see lor. Then let us know. Doesn't cost anything right ?

Share your questions and their feedback. Then let the forumers have an idea of how it works.
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Well I can share past experience, I asked them their view on my portfolio, there was a guy called Andy, he said overdiversified, otherwise no other issue. And discourage timing of market. Then will end with the sentence at FSM, we encourage investors to stay invested via RSP, this will avoid timing of market and also average out any volatility.
They will tell you opinion but will avoid to tell you exactlt which fund to let go at which time, and which funds to buy now, that is our own job to decide usually. But then again this was 2 years bacl .
Ill update again if I get successful reply this time
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post Jan 25 2016, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 25 2016, 01:30 PM)
If you keep losing year after year, I will recommend you park your money in ASX FP first until it can generate you sufficient money for your monthly expenses then try your hand at UT again. At least with ASX FP, one gets consistent 6.x% p.a despite good or bad market. Downside is one will never get the full returns during a good time.
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ASX FP??
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post Jan 25 2016, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(lukenn @ Jan 25 2016, 01:28 PM)
Did that conversation help you ?
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I had to cash out from asia pacific, supposingly when price was good, but the moment it started ging up, u will think aik maybe not that bad okla wait and see. The cycle repeats
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post Jan 25 2016, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 25 2016, 01:53 PM)
Amanah saham fixed price fund (as1m, asw2020, ASM - for non bumi, asb -for bumi). You buy and sell the units at RM1/unit.

Keep in mind, amanah saham is not transparent. One will never know how much he or she actually gain/lose. The bright side is buying and selling is at RM1/unit with consistent returns of 6.x%.

If you cannot tahan something which is not transparent, don't invest in amanah saham. If you are like me, doesn't care about transparency as long as I get my yearly 6.x% and the selling price remains at RM1/unit, then amanah saham is suitable for you. biggrin.gif
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better than FSM??? but last I asked quota full for non Bumis
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post Jan 25 2016, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jan 25 2016, 02:35 PM)
Premium bankers have a high maintanence quota and if they don't meet it, they are a goner. So, that is why they need to sell sell sell. They are the same as your regular Toyota or Honda sales consultant.

You go test them out. Go into a HSBC premier or any private wealth advisor and tell then
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So far maybank and hsbc avtime u walk in they will say need to discuss haha. Their relationship manager and wealth manager. So far i declined. But u get nice coffee and so on. Now malu d decline so many times have to avoid them

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