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post Jan 21 2016, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(BorneoAlliance @ Jan 21 2016, 10:16 PM)
Why Iraqi and Syrian Tanks Are Wearing This Weird MacGyvered Armor

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http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/w...mored-vehicles/
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Could the sandbags pre-detonate ATGMs? Might work to attenuate the HEAT warhead. Bleed off .50 cal velocity too.

QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Jan 20 2016, 11:45 PM)
hmm.gif  accuracy of the system sounds doubtful
prc coast guard is going to laugh
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Description sounds like a standard loft bombing technology. 3-5m CEP yeah right doh.gif Anyway saker and russian insider are propaganda sites. Big bucket of salt.
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post Jan 22 2016, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(BorneoAlliance @ Jan 22 2016, 07:59 AM)
The Air Force Boss Gave A Depressing Response When Asked About Building More F-22s

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Eh leh... last time say too expensive useless etc etc now ask for restart cause proven in Syria... the US military's biggest enemy is their own damn media.

still, at 400m+ dollars its hard to justify going back to F22s.
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post Jan 23 2016, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jan 23 2016, 11:31 AM)
That's my point. Probably nowadays, in a war setting, you see a blip on your radar screen that doesn't have an IFF or civilian signature, 99.9% it's your enemy. Do different camo colors between air force planes help in this matter? Radar sees threats for far longer and probably better than you are.

Probably helps during visual IFF, but unless its peacetime, I don't see pilots actually bothering to do anything visual.
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Visual is still important enough that pilots want bubble canopies for dogfighting though I understand its more for spotting incoming missiles. All the more when there are multiple air forces using the same type in the region, do you really want to do a blue on blue just because your wingman's IFF rosak? Maybe its a less than 0.01% chance of averting disaster but why not grab any edge you can?
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post Jan 25 2016, 07:23 AM

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QUOTE(BorneoAlliance @ Jan 25 2016, 07:08 AM)
Two British women soldiers fighting ISIS alongside the SAS in Iraq shoot their way out of jihadi ambush

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SRR was officially formed as a regiment in 2005 but its units have origins all the way to 70s and 80s in the Northern Ireland conflict as the supersecret 14th Intelligence Company. These men and women are the true 'Kingsman' of the British Army and their infiltration, black ops and marksmanship skills are in some ways even better than SAS, and definitely more secretive. I have no doubt they did well in this fight.

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post Jan 28 2016, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(bereev @ Jan 28 2016, 08:11 AM)
so this dude carry parang are Gurkha ? what is in the pouch left leg, bio hazard mask ? they always prepare for the worst
what is the despro can't find a prostitute end up lost live  doh.gif
but why one force park at others country airport,  kek
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Mask is a good bet. Probably also an Uzi or MP7, clips, mask, first aid kit...
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post Jan 28 2016, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(IReallyNeed Answers @ Jan 28 2016, 04:02 PM)
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kecian peenoise, knowingly allowing more of it's citizen being rape and murder all because of their stupidity and ignorance and corruption.

let's hopd we 're not heading that way
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I bet peenoy junta rape and murder more than US lor
SG buddy2 with US so long never rape much also
just build a Geylang to relieve stress brows.gif
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post Jan 29 2016, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Jan 29 2016, 08:47 AM)
not a good thing.. it shifts the balance of power in the region
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jan 29 2016, 09:32 AM)
By 'shifting balance of power' you mean TNI potentially unseating SAF from the top dog position in ASEAN?

but of course obviously only SAF is allowed to have Apaches.brows.gif
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took the words out of my mouth
QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Jan 29 2016, 09:42 AM)
not only for sg, but for msia as well... sg have a better relationship with id as compared to msia with id...

with sg's dominance in air superiority the threat is controlled... but how bout msia?
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ie all good so long as SG can control? come on man...
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post Jan 29 2016, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Jan 29 2016, 10:52 AM)
isn't singkie the most reliable ally murica can count on in this region? pinoys, incapable...

indon although after sby seems to have came to their senses but it very much depend on the gov of the day...
yeaps.. one have numbers one have quality... but arming the largest standing army in the region, you put other smaller countries at risk...
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Then preserve balance lah, give us some of your stuff laugh.gif

I think US will be quite pissed if they turn those AH64Es on SG or even us. Don't they usually write in clauses on not using US-supplied weapons on US allies?

So... buy more SAMs?
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post Jan 29 2016, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Jan 29 2016, 11:34 AM)
errr... msia is also one of the threat to sg.. in fact the most significant one... but relationship between both countries seem to have warmed up after butthurtz mamatir left

nope, doubt on paper sg is an US ally although sg does support a lot of us initiatives

sam? already got... f15 would be the main deterrent... also their integration is nearly non-existent
yeaps... so should allow them to stay large enough for defense n maintaining domestic peace but not enough for power projection
any threat to your country is worth mentioning... the only time you dont rant is when the threat is non existent or you dont know what's happening... the tanks are ok, apaches are ok, just hope no sophisticated jets
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SG and MY are basically back to back la... conflict with each other unlikely. For that matter war in this region is probably unlikely other than insurgency action...
QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Jan 29 2016, 01:59 PM)
buy first then mention...

so msia will be more vulnerable during the next 24 months...
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Can tahanlah... now EPF also cut, really no money now sad.gif

But by then Typhoon should have fully integrated sensors and weapons brows.gif
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post Jan 29 2016, 04:47 PM

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the part which impressed me the most about Apache Guardian is its ability to control UAVs... truly something out of science fiction or PC games.

QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Jan 29 2016, 04:09 PM)
lelz... wanna depend on yanks for own defense? have we stoop down to the level off peenoise? cannot always depend on others mang... what incentive do they have to help us? where were the brits during ww2?
radar absorbing material/coat  brows.gif  by nippon paint
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No need so high and mighty, we all know singkie owes much more to US than singkie care to admit... technology transfer alone whistling.gif

the brits fought and died all over the Malay archipelago and Singkie during WW2, and worked hard to prepare for their comeback throughout the occupation. They may not have done it well, but they were there. Shouldn't forget that bro.
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post Jan 29 2016, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(hypervisor @ Jan 29 2016, 04:43 PM)
sory for asking
typhoon Tranche1 or Tranche3?
T1 is purely air superiority beast without A2G capabilities(thus its much lighter) while T3 is much heavier due to more A2G attack equipments
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Tranche 1 is out of production. Tranche 3 for sure thumbup.gif Hope we can get Meteor and Brimstone!
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post Jan 29 2016, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(hypervisor @ Jan 29 2016, 04:57 PM)
our primary objective is to have as close as possible to a real air-superiority fighter to cover peninsular & sabah sarawak which Tranche1 fits that capability & also much lighter airframe,less expensive to maintain due to less complexities

compared to Tranche3 which fitted with lots of heavier ground attack capabilities that deterred its main air-superiority objectives
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Don't think they make those any more, nor will we get our hands on any 2nd hand as UK wants them for their own air defence. I do not think Tranche 3 suffers any less in air to air compared to Tranche 1 though if you know please share.

I doubt we can afford to specialise in air superiority and this is for MRCA after all, emphasis on MR. Plus imagine dropping Brimstone on Sulu invaders wink.gif

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post Jan 29 2016, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Jan 29 2016, 05:05 PM)
more of a conduit to control UAV not the controller...

as much as singkie owes US, they have their own military industrial complex and negotiation are always on equal terms... they dont receive military aid

more like ran away... and let the locals suffer... they came back to occupy their conquered land... so having someone to back you up makes you sleep well at night? rely on others while you dont know how reliable they can be?
have to agree... but does msia have the resources to have a pure air superiority fighter? it might be a good idea...
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Also helped with settling communists and Indonesia when they could have left us to be the next Africa or 1 big Indonesia. That's pretty decent of them.

Read something like Apache Guardian can have 4 levels of interface with the drone ranging from communication up to full control...

QUOTE(hypervisor @ Jan 29 2016, 05:03 PM)
yeah UK version is the best version coz specialised being almost entirely made by BAE

*not to mention Tranche1 variant is much cheaper too
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Tranche 3 Typhoon is as much UK-made as Tranche 1 and has significantly upgraded software and due for Meteor, Brimstone and Captor AESA radar upgrades, I don't know about flight capability but I doubt it loses to Tranche 1 unless you have info otherwise.

edit: plus opening up Tranche 1 production again if it is even possible will probably be more expensive than just buying and operating Tranche 3... and again, this is to fulfill our Multi Role Combat Aircraft requirement...

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post Jan 29 2016, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(cunnilinguist @ Jan 29 2016, 08:00 PM)
RAF is willing to lease tranche 1 Typhoon afaik. Hell  they might give some of them for free if RMAF choose Typhoon.
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Not now that they want to stand up at least 24 tranche 1 Typhoon for UK air defence. The remainder are probably going to be parted out to keep the 2 squadrons running.
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post Jan 30 2016, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(hypervisor @ Jan 29 2016, 11:15 PM)
chill, some interesting progress to be materialised further
Malaysia-RAF Tranche 1 Typhoon Leasing

Posted by martin Date: February 16, 2014in: News(54) Comments
While we had hopes that Malaysia could be a possible candidate for new Typhoons it seems that the government’s budget woes are forcing them to now look at aircraft leasing instead. BAE are said to be working on a bid that would see at least some of the RAF’s Tranche 1 Typhoons leased to Malaysia.

http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2014/02/mala...yphoon-leasing/
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That was when they were not expecting to retain T1 Typhoon until SDSR 2015 in the previous November when they opted to put it back into service and operate 2 squadrons in UK air defence role.
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post Jan 30 2016, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jan 30 2016, 10:37 AM)
Why is this even an article?  laugh.gif
Must be slow news day.
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to go with the Russian propaganda and War Is Boring reposts
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post Feb 1 2016, 12:16 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jan 31 2016, 07:55 PM)
People do realize 'Andy McNab' is a pseudonym, right? His actual name is Steven Mitchell.

He was an actual SAS trooper and I think his face is still censored whenever he is interviewed.
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Got to use the brand name for maximum recognition. Some of his books were pretty good.
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post Feb 12 2016, 02:27 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Feb 11 2016, 02:43 PM)
Hmm wheeled APC/IFVs are very much in trend nowadays. I remember in the 1980s and 90s nearly all APC/IFVs were tracked (most of them US-made M110s), with wheeled ones very few.

I'd prefer a tracked APC/IFV over a wheeled one, they are more versatile in all terrains. Limitations of wheeled APC/IFVs have been shown in Afghanistan, where US Strykers had a hard time operating in the bad roads in the country. If a country has a decent road network they should be fine, but not all countries have that.
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Advances in wheel technology helps mitigate the mobility issue apparently, I'm not sure how. And wheeled APCs can mount heavier loads for cheaper costs. Can't be helped.
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post Feb 12 2016, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Feb 12 2016, 11:57 AM)
Flip side is tyres are worn down much more rapidly than steel tracks, especially on rough terrain. Run-flat tyres do help if a tyre does burst, but these are for emergencies only to help the vehicle maintain balance and doesn't totally replace a burst tyre.

Also why is no-one thinking of developing some sort of armor to at least partially shield the (VERY EXPOSED) tyres from bullets and shrapnel?  I find it absurd that even battle tanks have skirt armor to shield their steel tracks while nearly all wheeled APC/IFVs have tyres naked and exposed for the enemy to shoot at? If I was trying to destroy/disable an armored wheeled vehicle my first instinct is to try and take out the tyres.

I do get one of the reasons is for ease of replacing damaged tyres, but can they at least make sure the tyres are somewhat protected from damage in the first place? laugh.gif
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Dunno. Maybe to plate the tyres to resist above small-arms is too heavy. Or maybe the tires are already able to tahan fire. According to some reports even IEDs which immobilised tanks and Bradleys by destroying their tracks could not stop the Stryker which ran on 8 flat tires back to base.
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post Feb 13 2016, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Feb 12 2016, 04:17 PM)
Hard enough for cross country running maybe but not as hard as any bullet or shrapnel though. I still don't think wheeled armored vehicles belong in the front lines. They are way too vulnerable for hard combat and certainly not as APC or IFV that operate on the front edge of combat together with more heavily armored vehicles like MBT or tracked AC/IFVs.

If you look at the side profile of any wheeled APC, they are literally 50% consisting of  exposed wheels just begging to be shot. For me that's way too much soft target to be freely displayed to your enemies. A single MG or rifle burst could potentially take out every wheel on one side of the vehicle.

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I'm pretty sure they have thought of that. Unlikely a quick burst of MG can put it down so quickly.

Anyway its meant to complement tracked vehicles, no one is giving up tracked IFVs. And for poorer countries it makes a good compromise.

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