The link is simple - Never judge the future based on history.

Investment and speculation are two diff things.
No more honeymoon like few years back where easy money via real estate anymore however for investment in Cyberjaya I still think landed is always a good buy - value for money!

My personal opinion:-
If Cyberjaya booms due to MRT, HSR, CCC, malls, High end residential area > ridiculous cheap to pay Rm1mil+ for a landed in world class infra equipped township.

If Cyberjaya goes down south > still a nice peaceful living environment to live with healthy lifestyle.

Landed because it's value for money!

I m not an expert in statistic n properties but my common sense tell me that:-
1). Cyber can never be a ghost town cause more n more ppl moving in. Commercials especially F&B is like mushrooming in cyber. Look at d pulze > all quality tenants with great bz. Even weekend also full of ppl not to mention that Grocer village that's opening soon in tamarinds Sq with 4-5 times the size of jays a grocery.

2). Statistic is only an indicative number for GENERAL references only. Yes, it could be many developer launching high rise at the same time n yes over supply will happen however it doesn't meant the volume cannot be digested or sustainable in future. Every new township needs time to mature. Prop buyer always need backup plan or holding power nowadays regardless where he buy. Good time has past n flipping is diff. This has no diff to buying any prop in cyber.

3). Depends on projects - some of the pricing is reasonable. In example Setia Eco glades 26x95 super link at Rm 1.1mil above. With Rm1mil you can only get condo in mature area like bkt jalil which is only merely 15mins drive away.

4). Same to other LYN forumer. I also dislike few places like Kajang, semenyih, Rawang but we never KPKB in their thread some more calling ppl herd. If u think u r so good n great then u alr a billionaires. Don't f ard here to show off u r very intelligence or smart A$$. I invested Rm 5mil+ in cyber only but I also never keep convincing or persuading ppl to buy. Like cyber - u buy. Don't like - move on. Over supply is everywhere not just cyber. Go to Klcc, mont liars areas n see, how many condo units with the lights on? Each buyer regardless own stay or investment or flipping knows what he is doing. Don't think you can call them herd as if u r the expert.

If I may ask a few questions to all forumer here:-
The place that you stay now, is where you work as well?
All ppl live in mont kiara working in mont kiara?
All ppl live in Setia Alam working in Setia Alam?
All ppl live in semenyih working in semenyih? Or Kajang?
Obviously the answer is NO.
Same to cyber - what make ICE thinks that all projects built in cyber are for ppl working in cyber only?
I have been in this thread since 2012 n I can tell most of the ppl buying cyber do not work in cyber.
Ask bro noble baby - he paid half a million plus for a semi d in Beethoven symphony hill - Where does he work now?
For my group of friends that live in cyber - none of us actually work in cyber n not IT industry.
Yes, it may be a scary Number to see so many high rise however it doesnf mean cyber is going to be a ghost town.
If u r living in cyber, you can easily notice that diff to follow find parking in shaft bury sq,d pulze.... Just more n more ppl living here. I strongly believe, opening of SRJK C Union in 2018 will boost up more family staying due to better living environment, affordable n cheaper houses, world class infra n better school facilities.

quote=icemanfx,Oct 22 2016, 04:51 PM]
Will there be enough to occupy the over 20 towers currently under construction?

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Be it speculation, investment or own stay, vacant, occupied
Whatsoever, each one knows their risk n award, entry n exit plan. Don't think ICE can simply call ppl herd behavior purely because he think he is right.
In property, no right or wrong. No 100% formula or book that you can follow 100% blindly. Not to mention a student with bad attitude that KPKB here. Like it, continue. Don't like it, move on.

quote=BEANCOUNTER,Oct 23 2016, 09:33 AM]
Cyber was kuda live child and the master land owner behind it is kuda machai.

Politically speaking i doubt that current jibby govt care much about cj....

From the latest hsr stops u can see already. They rather opened up new township to collect more donation and put a stop there then to utilise existing infra.

Thats why i said just let cj grows organically.

The unfortunate part of cj is that its pricing was attached w premium...more so with landed projects...and those launched during the property bull run period such as seg and symp hills now back down to as good as lelong products. It could see as good sign for owners to pick up well priced units. But as investors that got burn 1st time around....they wont be coming back anytime soon.

Without investors and flippers....there is no where to grow a township....strictly my opinion.

One more thing...none of my friends that bought cyber projects actually moved into cyber...and i only have one friend that lived next to cj....bcos he works in serdang...it might comes as surprise to many but it was me that recommended him the place and he booked it first time he visited the sales gallery. So despite i dun look too well on cj..i know what people suit cj or close to it.
Most of my friends still stay in puchong and cheras.

On a personal level....i like live in a place where nostalgia and new collide. When u live therel...it reminds u of something old and something new. Basically it has soul. Therefore living in a complete new township from ground up is just not for me....i know many people like the new setup township....each to their owns...

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I never know any developer building project purely base on supply n demand statistic only.
As mentioned above, statistic is for general references but not to forget the political influence, human sentiment, spillover effect n uniqueness of each project.

Last but not least, don't KPKB here quoted what Dr or specialist book talk.

Common sense tell me:-
1). USJ developed due to spillover effect from Subang Jaya.
2). Putrajay Height developed due to spillover effect from USJ.
3). Kota Kemuning developed due to spillover effect from USJ.
4). Sunway developed due to Subang Jaya and PJ spillover effect.
5). Puchong developed due to USJ and Sunway spillover effect.
6). Cyberjaya? Puchong / Putra Height / Serdang / Seri Kembangan spillover effect.

So, ppl living in cyber must be the one who working in Cyberjaya? U better think twice, Dr. Ice?

Bro cedm- mind to share ur work location and which project u bought in cyber?


quote=cedm,Oct 23 2016, 10:21 AM]
I'm not going to dispute your number. Actually, I don't care it's 20, 10 or 30, and nevermind a "tower" is poor metric on its own (how many units and how big they are, therefore how many people can live in, would be much more informative).

No, the thing is that Cyberjaya, until very recently, was massively underdeveloped (we all know why - failed silicon valley). Only the east side, bordering Putrajaya, was developed. All the properties now under construction or just completed (residential, office, soho, etc.) are being built on vacant land on the northern, western and southern part of Cyberjaya.

Overall population will definitely grow, but density-wise, I don't expect much changes. The road infrastructure is also very good, and any part of Cyberjaya can be reached through multiple roads with quick access to highways and expressways in every direction. Offices and residential buildings are spread well enough that intra-Cyberjaya commuting is a non issue. There isn't going to be major rush hour jams, even with the increased population.

As someone else mentioned, one doesn't have to work in Cyber just because he lives there. Commuting is a well established reality for most of the Klang valley folks, and unlike some other successful townships, Cyberjaya does have a business centre it can use to drive its population growth.

I don't work in Cyberjaya, yet I'll be moving in when my "tower" is completed. As a matter of fact, I will actually live even further away from my office once I move. I'm doing so because I recognize the better living environment that Cyberjaya offers. I couldn't care less about property appreciation and these over supply talks. 20 towers later, Cyberjaya is still going to be more livable than the current and previous places I lived in the greater KL.

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Our group of friends also working in Klcc area n living in cyber.


quote=cedm,Oct 23 2016, 01:41 PM]
KLCC / Ampang Park. I bought Lakefront Residence.

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Ooooooopsssss...!!!



uote=SKY 1809,Oct 23 2016, 06:10 PM]
Dr Ice he himself is a follower/Victim of herd behavior as I just pointed out in another forum :-

Post 2253 ..

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry82239193

In fact, he started many topics in LY forums and eventually people just abandon him.months ago ..

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