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Courier parcel sign by unknown person, Is it legal?
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TSGogurt
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Nov 26 2015, 10:56 AM, updated 10y ago
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Is it against the law / courier service policy to allow anyone to sign for the package?
I've lost my package at the moment and their proof of delivery is sign by an unknown person at a random time.
Bought item from lazada, pending investigation and the courier is NinjaVan. They provide the "proof" that was sign by anyone but me.
If worst come to worst, they are not taking responsibility, is it possible to lodge a complain to tribunal and win?
Any legal expert, please advice sad.gif
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TSGogurt
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Nov 26 2015, 11:26 AM
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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Nov 26 2015, 11:18 AM) Yes, you are allowed to lodge a complain to the tribunal. Please do. They are supposed to do the necessary checks, either verify the person via IC and signature or verify that the person have authorised another party to collect the package on their behalf. Most of the couriers flaunt this because incidents are rare, but I fully endorse that you lodge a report, but a police report as well as a tribunal report. Well, the case is still under investigation. And from the sound of it, it wasn't going well with NinjaVan insisting they delivered it with a proof of delivery (signature by unknwon) Let hope the investigation goes well and I got my refund/replacement. It's a lot of procedure tho for tribunal . Thanks for your help bro.
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TSGogurt
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Nov 26 2015, 11:28 AM
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Nov 26 2015, 11:20 AM) Luckily so far i never lost anything. And sometimes i dont even need to sign. I just ask them to drop in tong sampah (inside house) coz nobody at home. Just give my IC number only i've never lost anything too prior to this case. Did they give you a call when they deliver your item? They didnt even call me and stuff. All of a sudden, update received with item delivered. the time of signature is very suspicious too. Can they sign the item themselves even if they outsource the work? Should be no right?
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TSGogurt
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Nov 26 2015, 11:38 AM
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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Nov 26 2015, 11:33 AM) If you have purchase the item with a credit card, try asking your bank what are your options as well at this point. I will also advice you to spread this story in social media, Facebook them, tag them on twitter, instagram, etc.. I think they would have bought some sort of insurance to protect against lost / stolen parcels internally. If they continue to insist, you can also tell them that you shall intend to lodge a police report as well as be filing a consumer tribunal claim. They will be forced to show proof that it was indeed delivered to you. they do provide the proof of delivery on their tracking number, can see the signature. but it's not mine. i've already screenshot down everything just incase they decide to eliminate the evidence. Can't contact ninjavan tho, can only email them, which they don't bother to reply. sigh, they don't even have a contact number. worst courier service i've encountered. I wonder why Lazada use them at all. The only thing I could think of is lodging police report + consumer tribunal if they does not want be claim responsiblity. They shouldn't allow anyone other than me or the person i assign to receive the item to sign for the parcel. Was that some kind of breach of consumer rights?
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TSGogurt
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Nov 26 2015, 11:45 AM
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QUOTE(kaicherc @ Nov 26 2015, 11:42 AM) nope, it's two small item, two phone to be precisely.
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TSGogurt
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Nov 26 2015, 11:57 AM
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Nov 26 2015, 11:54 AM) Yup got call me if nobody at home. If my dad at home then he just sign no call me. So it means usually courier just let anyone to sign as long as address is correct. Btw just recalled got once really kena b4, poslaju said item delivered but i never get. Called poslaju and later the guy said he send to wrong address, luckily the neighbour give back to the courier guy well, at least they have the consignee name who receive the parcel with ic right? Their consignee name who receive the parcel is me as they say. I didnt event saw the parcel. lol
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TSGogurt
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Nov 26 2015, 12:06 PM
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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Nov 26 2015, 12:02 PM) They are supposed to call you and have to verify your IC and signature. Just signature is not enough. Contact Lazada and your bank as well to see what can be done. didn't call and stuff. They keep outsource their job to other courier such as Gdex or Citylink. I definitely can't trust a courier service that never send out their own van. already contacted lazada, they are in the midst of investigation. according to them, ninjavan provide the "proof" and all. Ninjavan would have to do their own investigation as per the last update from lazada. Would like to seek advice here just incase the whole thing doesn't goes well so I know what's the next step I can take.
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TSGogurt
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Nov 26 2015, 12:21 PM
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Nov 26 2015, 12:19 PM) they are in the midst of investigation by lazada and ninjavan. will lodge dispute to bank/consumer tribunal if they refuse to be responsible for mishandling my package. Thanks!
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TSGogurt
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Nov 26 2015, 12:35 PM
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QUOTE(YoungMan @ Nov 26 2015, 12:34 PM) And also police, perhaps. definitely will do so. Thanks for the advice!
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TSGogurt
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Nov 26 2015, 01:21 PM
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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Nov 26 2015, 01:15 PM) Just drop a stern hint that you are considering a police and tribunal report if the issue is not resolved. Don't threaten, tell them you want to find an amicable solution but you will not accept the fact NinjaVan's response thus far. finally I receive a call from ninjaVan side. As per their driver, they say they deliver 3 parcel that time, and they assume all 3 is my package. Only 1 is mine, another 2 belong to another colleague of mine. Then even assume that all 3 is the same consignee. I've concrete CCTV proof that only 1 package is mine. Let see what they say about this. At least I have their number now.
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TSGogurt
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Nov 26 2015, 02:12 PM
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Nov 26 2015, 01:41 PM) ayam no faham... so all 3 is your name or wat? nope. only 1 parcel is under my name. another 2 is my colleague name
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TSGogurt
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Nov 26 2015, 02:13 PM
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QUOTE(kons @ Nov 26 2015, 02:01 PM) meaning you have them delivered to office? usually office they will not care, as long as someone in the office (receptionist or secretary) sign it, they will assume item is delivered. yup, i dont mind other people sign it for me. but if it wasn't sign by anyone and it was assume signed/delivered, that's wrong no?
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TSGogurt
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Nov 26 2015, 02:14 PM
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QUOTE(tescogot @ Nov 26 2015, 01:39 PM) the recipient should provide with ic no when receiving the item usually yup, but currently they are only providing the proof which is an unknown signature. :/
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TSGogurt
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Nov 26 2015, 02:20 PM
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Nov 26 2015, 02:18 PM) So u mean ur colleague didnt receive? she receive her item. i receive 1 of my item. i dont know why ninjavan say all 3 item is under my name. i suspect foul play between rider and internal.
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TSGogurt
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Nov 26 2015, 02:35 PM
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QUOTE(Jacxon @ Nov 26 2015, 02:31 PM) very hard to say if courier will refund you... try on both sides lazada and ninja for refund see how to work it out i've already forwarded this to both lazada and ninjavan. they are in their own investigation on both end. the only thing i can wait is their so call investigation. not sure who will make the refund or if i wil even get it. :/ But i think if refund is initiated, lazada will definitely claim from the courier.
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TSGogurt
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Nov 26 2015, 02:41 PM
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Nov 26 2015, 02:36 PM) I dont get it... 3 item, 2 received 1 lost? ok here's the full story. i've ordered 5 item from lazada during the perion 11/11-18/11 . i've received 1 item on 13th, 19th I've received 2 parcel, 1 at 12pm , another at 4pm. On ninjavan explanation, they say the rider sent 3 parcel at 12pm, which is false, as i only receive 1 parcel. The rider that came over brought 3 parcel, but 1 belongs to me, 2 belongs to my colleague. Hope this clarifies.
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TSGogurt
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Nov 26 2015, 05:26 PM
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QUOTE(limjenson @ Nov 26 2015, 05:14 PM) So is the unknown signature belongs to your colleague or still a totally unrelated signature? Their excuse is full of holes. totally unrelated signature. Yes, I've point out on their excuse and they could not answer me. Keep taichi say will investigate. I hope this will be the last time I would encounter them. Hope Lazada stop using them or something.
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TSGogurt
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Nov 26 2015, 05:26 PM
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QUOTE(mr.noone @ Nov 26 2015, 05:22 PM) if in office, your office with cctv? yup. office got cctv. checked everything, no foul play between colleague. if got i dont think they will all still come to work instead of lari right? Since cctv from 1st floor to top, every angle. My office quite particular with this. lol.
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TSGogurt
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Nov 26 2015, 05:54 PM
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QUOTE(Jacxon @ Nov 26 2015, 05:48 PM) ninjavan has been growing very very quickly. This might have caused the drop in service. Hope they recover their services quick. So far comments from users of ninjavan are really good actually. Good luck on your case. This can take really long. Last time round my parcel uses DHL took 2 months zzzzzzz well, they might have grown so fast that they overestimate their abilities. So far I've also heard good reviews about them too. This case tho show me another. 2 months is not a problem to me, as long as i get back item replacement/refund. it involve quite an amount of money
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TSGogurt
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Nov 26 2015, 05:56 PM
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QUOTE(mr.noone @ Nov 26 2015, 05:45 PM) then that is straight forward case. make an police report, and send it to lazada. if lazada did not respond like day, then will go to tribunal. Because you dont care what delivery service they use, it is lazada responsibility, whether they claim back from the courier company or they take the responsibility that's my last resort. doesn't really wish to push it that hard. but that will be what im doing if worst come to worst, they deny any responsibility and im stuck in the middle of nowhere. btw, is it illegal for a courier to release item without consignee approval? such as allowing any third party not assign by consignee to sign the package?
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