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post Apr 13 2016, 03:01 PM

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Any accountants here working in Australia? Just wondering if anyone has any tips for a Big four interview, do they ask lots of technical questions?
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post Apr 19 2016, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(z21j @ Apr 16 2016, 01:27 AM)
Hi. Depends which position that you are referring to. If S2 and above usually yes. The one that my gf had previously was about 20 minutes discussion over technical questions.
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QUOTE(Justin Wong @ Apr 17 2016, 10:34 PM)
I am not sure if I am an Accountant as per se as I am not in audit or tax, but I can share my experience with you since I working in one of the Big 4s in the consulting / Corp Finance practice. I am not sure what is the angle of your question so I will just share what I have been through and hopefully you can get some idea on what to prepare for.

The first stage is usually a telephone interview where the HR will give you a call and ask more about your background and your intention. This is typically a filtering process before the HR forward your CV to the hiring Manager. If the hiring Manager likes your CV, they will proceed to arrange an interview with you face to face. It usually take 2 days to a week before they come back to you because they need to schedule the hiring manager's time to have an interview with you. (Managers are quite busy).

If you are not in Australia, they will arrange an interview with you through video-conferencing (It is quite common these days, although some still prefer to chat with you physically, hence the reluctance to employ oversea candidate because they can't 'gauge' you properly without physical presence). at this stage, the hiring manager will be chatting with you about your work experience and why Australia etc, and maybe throw you some question regarding your technical field. Again, you will need to wait for another week or 2 before you know you succeed as they are also interviewing other candidates during your waiting period.

The third stage usually involve a case study / test. In my case, I had a phone call again with the hiring director who then gave me specific instructions on how the test will be conducted and what is expected in the test. The materials was emailed to me 15 minutes before the call and I was given an hour to read the case and prepare my answers. The director called me an hour later and ask for the answers. They will not tell you whether you pass or fail and you are expected to wait for a day or 2 before they come back to you.

If you pass the technical test, you will proceed to the final stage of the interview, which is meeting / video-conferencing with the Partner. At this stage, it is very likely that you will be getting the job unless for a very rare stroke of misfortune the Partner decided he or she does not like you. The session is really for the Partner to know more about you and officially tell you he will be making an offer. However, you may have to wait for another 3-4 weeks before the HR give you a call and talk to you about your salary package and your employment start date.

Tips? - do not fear the interviewer just because they are in the position of hiring - speak like they are your equal and be confident to ask anything.

It is very hard to express what I mean by that but I think a lot ppl, esp Asians, because out of respect to the superiors / hiring managers, they avoid asking confrontational questions or difficult questions that will make interviewer think. Aussies are generally very open with questions and the more you ask, the better impression they have with you. Fluency of english is definitely helpful. I suppose I do not need to talk about technical knowledge since it is given.

Hope that helps.
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Thanks guys, this was helpful. Coming from EY, I attempted to apply to EY Sydney and Melbourne, so far I've gotten past the phone screen part but no news after that. It's only been a week though.

I did, however, apply to BDO as well last week. Interview was on Thursday and they offered me the job today. I got someone to hand in my resume for me, without that I doubt that they'd even look at my papers. Connections appear to be everything when looking for a job in Australia.

I did all this while still in Malaysia though so it can be done.
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post Apr 19 2016, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(Gary foo @ Apr 19 2016, 04:57 PM)
Congratulation on the job offer. May i know you are planning to migrate to Melbourne / Sydney?
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Thanks, I'm headed to Melbourne since BDO Melbourne offered me the job.
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post Apr 19 2016, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(selvenz @ Apr 19 2016, 05:10 PM)
Melbourne is great you will enjoy it. Any assistence pls pm me . Currently in melb working in cbd
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Thanks man, appreciate it.
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post May 6 2016, 03:43 PM

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Question: Renting an apartment without prior rental history in Australia. Is it still possible?

Thinking of renting an apartment when I go to Australia. The last time I rented there was 2011 and I can't remember the details of the person already.

I have photo ID, offer of employement, bank account statement, maybe medicare card. Would this be enough to rent an apartment? I hear that the oz landlords require a lot of things before they will rent to you.
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post May 6 2016, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ May 6 2016, 03:56 PM)
sure, now is the best time to ask for low rent. they don't care who you are now.
Last time i bid the rent for 15 properties. only 2 response. every property got 50 over people swarm into in 1/2 hr time. If you face looks like $hit, no chance....just kidding.... biggrin.gif
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So what you're saying is that there's an oversupply of rental properties right now? I suppose I should say that I am talking specifically about Melbourne.
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post Apr 7 2017, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Apr 5 2017, 03:20 PM)
Well, he's no aussie though. after 2 years he can live anywhere he wants or maybe less...you know what i mean... brows.gif
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Actually........ you can live anywhere even before two years. They can't actually stop you. It's just strongly discouraged.
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post Apr 7 2017, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Mar 30 2017, 10:35 AM)
Oops....my mistake. sorry for the info. I only know my gross deducted is almost 38% to ATO. I didn't know on that one....sorry for the wrong info
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Including super deductions? Are you a PR or on a work visa?

I'm just curious because you would need to be earning a gross of 180k incl super to get 38% of your salary deducted.
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post May 9 2017, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ May 5 2017, 06:08 PM)
This is a very interesting thread. Sorry to ask more migration-related questions than working per se (I know some members here may consider it a little out of topic, sorry), but that is where I am looking into...

I'm trying to come to Australia as an audit senior/semi-senior, but the job of "Auditor" is no longer on the SOL list, it is on the Medium-term-something list however. I was thinking of applying for Skilled Independent Visa (189? I forget the number...). With my English and age class I believe should be able to get at least 60-65 points - is that likely to be approved?

Also, how is the job market for my position, and how's the hiring these days? I am willing to take lower ranked job of course just to get my foot in the door, but I'm not sure about the market demand. Anyone here who is familiar with audit or accounting in Australia?
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I read some analysis that the backlog for accountants and auditors will result in a waiting time of almost a year for applicants with 70 points.

In Melbourne at least, there seem to be many openings for audit seniors. High turnover results in greater demand. The Big four seem to only be interested in Supervisor/Assistant manager level seniors though. Word of warning, the Big four here is pretty shit in work life balance as well. I'll say that if you are currently in a Big four, the experience is still very much taken into consideration by the audit firms here.
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post May 17 2017, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(strawberyeve @ May 17 2017, 08:44 AM)
I am preparing the migration as well under the software engineer. But planning to submit for 189 with 60 points which just meet the minimum requirement assuming if my 5 years experience being deducted 2 years by ACS. I wonder the chances are how because reading you guys experience it took that long to get response but some of my colleagues who did it took about 3 months to have the response consider it quick.

Why do you try state sponsor if you have enough point for the 189? Is it will be quicker normally?
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Invitations are sent out based on this priority:

1. Amount of points
2. Date EOI submitted

Also, remember that only a set number of invitations are sent out each month.

So if anyone submits with 65 points or over, they will be invited before you even if they submit the day before an invitation round. State nomination grants you an additional 5 points, so people are desperate for all the points they can get.

If you think about it, it's possible that a 60 point application could sit there for a very long time without getting invited.
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post May 18 2017, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(strawberyeve @ May 18 2017, 09:20 AM)
In that case, i will be able to submit both 189 & 190 at the same time and depends which one come back first. If the one come back first which we accept and the other one will be automatically cancel am i right? For 190, EOI will need to be submit through the state website if i am not mistaken? What if the state i got is not able to provide the job for me can i move to other state (I understand there is a condition that need to stay in the sponsored state for 2 years)?
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There's a little checkbox during the EOI process that you have to tick to say that you're interested in state sponsorship.

After that, they'll get in contact with you if you're selected for potential nomination. After they verify your documents they'll nominate you and you'll have to submit a subclass 190 application through skillselect.



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post Jun 23 2017, 07:59 AM

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QUOTE(Red_rustyjelly @ Jun 22 2017, 10:27 PM)
i was granted by Vetessass, why i feel like both of us are so different lol
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You were granted your PR by VETASSESS?


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post Jun 23 2017, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jun 23 2017, 11:21 AM)
vetassess is a qualification and skills assessing agency, for general professional and trade occupations, not covered by professional bodies....they do NOT grant visas....

you visa is granted by the dibp, but part of the process includes a certification your qualification/skills are equivalent/acceptable in australia....and that requires a professional body to do....many professions/jobs however do not have a professional body regulating, so that's where vetassess comes in....
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Which is why I was curious about him getting a grant from VETASSESS. Probably just wrong choice of wording though as I see that he mentioned he applied skill through VETASSESS.
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post Aug 23 2017, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(immabee @ Aug 22 2017, 05:03 PM)
Hey guys, I just came back from Brissie (3 weeks of short stint with a government agency). During my time there, I have heard that the job outlook isn't very positive as most of the vacancies available now are mainly temp/contract. I am working under accounting industry (public practice to be precise).

My PR is currently running (left 3 years ++) and I have not make a move as I was unsure about the job security in Brisbane. To those who are now in Down Under, are you able to confirm me whether the unemployability rate is rising?. Thanks.
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I don't think the unemployment rate is rising.. it's just that a lot of the work has turned into contract work. Full time positions are not being created.

You'll need to have reputable prior working experience and good english in order to stand a chance against the many out of work accountants.
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post Aug 23 2017, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Aug 23 2017, 10:25 AM)
Malaysians have to polish up your english. no more la le lo...just speak proper english. i found some interviewee still can't get away from that slang. however, that's why we're malaysian. make sure your cv not more than 3 pages. the rest will be in the bin. no grammar mistake.
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I've seen many Indian accountants (like from India) complaining on other forums that they can't get a job here. I sometimes wonder how much of that stems from the fact that the interviewer is unable to understand their thick accent. Some of them have excellent written English but their accent makes it very very hard (for me at least) to understand them.

Also, many fresh grads see the SOL and think "Oh, accounting is on the list so I'll definitely get a job" Not so. You'll find that most of the jobs available are for experienced accountants, minimum 1-2 years. You'll also find that overseas experience is by and large not taken into account, unless that experience is with reputable MNCs. Even then, they still prefer local experience.

Because the migration requirements do not take this into account, it contributes to an increasing pool of accountants in the job market who may not be suitable for the jobs available on the job market. That said, if one has excellent spoken English, proper Australian qualifications and good working experience; it's still very possible to get a job.

If that fails, audit firms are always hiring lol.


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post Sep 5 2017, 08:33 AM

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QUOTE(yeowwwai @ Sep 3 2017, 07:21 PM)
What is the ideal age for migration to Australia or New Zealand?

I am 22, graduated with a degree in comp science earlier this year. Really considering my options to migrate to either Australia or New Zealand, whichever is easier to get a PR.

I am currently working as an application engineer locally, for a MNC, do stuffs like programming, also telecommunications related things like mobile network optimisation.

Any tips? biggrin.gif Based on my qualifications ( not so sure if my qualifications are valid or even qualify as qualifications ohmy.gif ), any chance of me getting a PR? Be it Aus or NZ...
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What I can say is that being 25-32 gives you the most points for Australian skilled migration.

Have a read of the points you will be eligible for in https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Visa-1/189-

Without knowing where you studied, I think you can reach the minimum 60 points with the following assumptions:

1. 22 years old - 25 points
2. Superior English - 20 points (IELTS 8 in each component)
3. Bachelors Degree (must be recognized) - 15 points

If you studied in Australia for at least 2 years, you may add another 5 points to this.

Needless to say, your occupation must be on the list of eligible professions.




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post Sep 5 2017, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(yeowwwai @ Sep 5 2017, 04:43 PM)
Ah then it would be wiser to work for a few years here, to get more working experience before the move is made. Unfortunately I didn't study in Australia, ineligible for the 5 points addition.

Last I checked, software engineer is on the list of skill shortage list or something. For both the Aus and NZ.

The reason I am also considering NZ is that it seems easier to get a VISA, and the pool seems smaller as compared to Aus. Silver fern seems like a viable option to help migrants to get a job in NZ. I know the slots are extremely limited though.
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Unfortunately, I know nothing about migration to nz as I've never been though that. Isn't it points based as well? I know that with an oz pr you can work and live in nz too.
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post Sep 7 2017, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(jtsl9 @ Sep 7 2017, 10:06 AM)
Thanks. Nope, just the regular Outgoing Passenger Card.
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This has been removed if I'm not mistaken.

No need to fill in any longer.
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post Sep 7 2017, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(yeowwwai @ Sep 6 2017, 06:01 PM)
For Silver Fern, it is not point based.

For skilled migration, yeah it is point based.

Silver Fern has 300 slots every year, iirc. You have to fight for one of the slots.

After you have gotten a slot, you've to submit relevant documents, if approved, you're given 9 months visa to look for skilled employment in NZ.

During this period, you can travel in and out freely too.
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I googled it, fees are cheap and criteria required is easy to achieve.

Having only 300 spots a year is a major drawback though. What happens if you can't find a job in your nominated occupation in 9 months?
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post Oct 2 2017, 07:31 AM

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QUOTE(selvenz @ Oct 2 2017, 05:23 AM)
Your info is wrong about this . The british couple was on a regional VISA which has a condition " postcode restrictions listed on the visa " and it is not a PR. 190 and 189 are Permanent Resident Visas with "NIL" restrictions stated in visa.
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Thanks for the clarification. Got a little worried there.

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