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 Working in Australia V2, All About working in Australia

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post Oct 10 2016, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(dangerminimouse @ Oct 7 2016, 09:28 AM)
Actually its quite complicated to get my PR reinstated. I know how to do it but I don't want to reveal too much here.
not sure if you know about RRV that if you are not able to fulfill the 2 years of residing in ozland you can do a yearly renewal of the RRV until you are able to fulfill that requirement .... i got a friend who couldn't get job in melbourne but landed a job in dubai so every year just renew the RRV since most of the time he is away from ozland but his family is here wife and kids
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post Oct 10 2016, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Oct 10 2016, 05:09 PM)
this is very good info, thanks a bunch bro! i had the thought of requesting them to convert me to permanent after the 6 months, at least i get annual leaves and MCs but i'll see how it goes first, thanks again for the invaluable info!

by the way... if its not convenient, can PM how in general the permanent package works in Aussie? there isn't very much info on the web...
what i know is, 20 days is the common annual leave
not sure about MCs, bonuses, increments, medical cards (if any, most probably there isn't since i see a lot are getting their own private family insurance) and stuff like that
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A lot of diff scenarios depending on whether u perm or contractor.
The most basic is salary + super (EPF).
Then further benefits such as health insurance, bonuses etc.
One thing is theres rarely a guaranteed bonus in Oz unlike Bolehland.

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post Oct 10 2016, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Oct 10 2016, 05:09 PM)
this is very good info, thanks a bunch bro! i had the thought of requesting them to convert me to permanent after the 6 months, at least i get annual leaves and MCs but i'll see how it goes first, thanks again for the invaluable info!

by the way... if its not convenient, can PM how in general the permanent package works in Aussie? there isn't very much info on the web...
what i know is, 20 days is the common annual leave
not sure about MCs, bonuses, increments, medical cards (if any, most probably there isn't since i see a lot are getting their own private family insurance) and stuff like that
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sure. u can pm me.

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post Oct 10 2016, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(shazam7 @ Oct 10 2016, 12:14 PM)
It all depends what yr endgame is. When ppl migrate, they take a huge risk. They forgo their comfort zone, leave their family and friends behind, 24x7 mamak, Pama free babysitting service, Kak Minah basuh seluar dalam etc.

I only know too many who have sacrificed their careers, v v high income jobs to live here. For them the key reasons are work life balance, cleaner and cool air, and education for the kids.

Ultimately u hv to weigh the risks and determine whether it is worth it or not.

If there seems to be so much doubt and worry, I suggest do not come over. This will potentially put stress on yr marriage and family.

As I said I found the living in Mel to be significantly cheaper than KL (with the exception of rent). When I return to KL I am shocked at the price of things, groceries, eating out etc. For example, $50 a week would get me reasonable amt of groceries a week for 1 person and inc. fish, meat and veg. Compare that to RM50 and what that buys u.
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You're so right about this.

I went grocery shopping last week and RM50 did not get me much. Also, mind you this was grocery shopping to feed me and my dogs, haha. Yes, I feed them raw meat and veges as it's healthier and cheaper.

My parent's friends always exclaim how expensive things are in KL when compared to Aus. I can't blame them. Groceries here is no joke. Sure, local veges are dirt cheap but other things are not.

I've never head a maid at home. The whole family basically does the 'maids' work- cooking, cleaning etc, while working full time. We quite good lah that way, hahaha. So when I first mvoed to Aus forUni, it was not a shock to me as I'd been doing my own cleaning and laundry and occasional cooking.

As for mamak- personally, I cannot lah. Eating time all fixed, I don't do the mamak thing.

I work in education so I don't know what to expect as it's quite a stable industry worldwide. Let's see lah.
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post Oct 11 2016, 07:34 AM

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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Oct 10 2016, 01:54 PM)
to me, the only setback is the income, others are all the same, i have no maid, i have no FAMA help, i have little friends, i seldom go eat out, i don't drink, etc... yeah, i'm an extremely boring person laugh.gif
i just want to spend more time with my family, that's why the decision whether to take the offer or not... well the final decision is still in their hands since it depends whether they can wait for me or not... they wanted me to go over next month which is impossible...

thanks for the feedback, i know... definitely there will be a lot of doubts cos its migration not just working abroad temporarily...
to me, there's no turning back... but i supposed everyone goes through the same dilemma when they decide to migrate...
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To be honest, if I am to migrate at my current age and experience, it would be really hard for me to make the decision too. Income wise, find/make a plan to return it back to what you had back at home. If you can't find one, I don't think it would be good to 'sacrifice' long term as both you and your wife would never be happy about migrating here. You don't need as much money here for the same standard of living anyway, but not everyone can get used to that fact. The terms 'sacrifice' and 'downgrade' might just be something in your mind only.

I do not agree that anyone should 'sacrifice' for their kids future. Your kids are better when you are better, you should strife to get the best out of yourself instead of placing the responsibility on the kids.

Also, if you don't think your wife's skill can transfer over here, getting a job is not the only solution. Think creatively, there are lots of way for $ . Take some risk, make short term sacrifice, sure. As long as you have a plan and both of you are committed to it, chances are you'll do well here in the end. And again, you are starting off with a much better first step then most people here.

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post Oct 11 2016, 07:39 AM

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QUOTE(shazam7 @ Oct 10 2016, 08:07 PM)
A lot of diff scenarios depending on whether u perm or contractor.
The most basic is salary + super (EPF).
Then further benefits such as health insurance, bonuses etc.
One thing is theres rarely a guaranteed bonus in Oz unlike Bolehland.
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that's good to know also, thanks, i'll PM you later for more questions, there this thing on my mind which i am not sure who to ask...
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QUOTE(DarReNz @ Oct 10 2016, 07:37 PM)
nice your first contract job higher pay than mine .... since you are in IT and being contract there is no sick leave and all so if you are sick just work from home at least still get paid .... cos when public holidays you don't get paid as well .... anyway around 9-10 months of your contract your manager would have told you if they are able to confirm your extension of contract or if there is a permanent vacancy available otherwise they would just advise you to start looking out for jobs  nod.gif
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not sure if contractors have the benefit of working from home, i forgot to ask doh.gif
yeah... that's what they said, pay is calculated daily, you get paid only if you work, so there are no MCs, annual leaves, etc plus if i go within a month or 2, i'll hit the Christmas and New Year long holiday... guess i cannot calculate too much...

its good if they can give you a heads up, but the termination period is shorter in Aussie, my friend's contract is only 2 weeks notice sweat.gif
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post Oct 11 2016, 09:04 AM

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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Oct 11 2016, 10:39 AM)
not sure if contractors have the benefit of working from home, i forgot to ask doh.gif
yeah... that's what they said, pay is calculated daily, you get paid only if you work, so there are no MCs, annual leaves, etc plus if i go within a month or 2, i'll hit the Christmas and New Year long holiday... guess i cannot calculate too much...

its good if they can give you a heads up, but the termination period is shorter in Aussie, my friend's contract is only 2 weeks notice sweat.gif
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Working at home depends very much on your company. Some allow some allow with limited capacity some dont allow at all.
Pay is calculated daily paid weekly (normally). If u go thru payroll company u can change this.
Put it this way lor. Contract is marked up 30% normally to pay for leave and holidays. So if u subtract 30% u are still earning 80K a year.
The Xmas and New Year holidays depend a lot on whether the company is shutting down. Some enforce shutdown for 1,2,3 weeks. But for 24x7 ops, BAU still applies so leave is limited to 3 days (Xmas, Boxing and New Years)

Termination period again depends on contract. Some got 0, some 2 weeks, some 1 month....

Cannot generalise.
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post Oct 11 2016, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(divine061 @ Oct 11 2016, 07:34 AM)
To be honest, if I am to migrate at my current age and experience, it would be really hard for me to make the decision too. Income wise, find/make a plan to return it back to what you had back at home. If you can't find one, I don't think it would be good to 'sacrifice' long term as both you and your wife would never be happy about migrating here. You don't need as much money here for the same standard of living anyway, but not everyone can get used to that fact. The terms 'sacrifice' and 'downgrade' might just be something in your mind only.

I do not agree that anyone should 'sacrifice' for their kids future. Your kids are better when you are better, you should strife to get the best out of yourself instead of placing the responsibility on the kids.

Also, if you don't think your wife's skill can transfer over here, getting a job is not the only solution. Think creatively, there are lots of way for $ . Take some risk, make short term sacrifice, sure. As long as you have a plan and both of you are committed to it, chances are you'll do well here in the end. And again, you are starting off with a much better first step then most people here.
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it's more to my wife at the moment cos she earns a lot and a crazy workaholic, and suddenly becomes 0 after migration laugh.gif
guys are all mostly the same, we just work work work, earn as much as possible for the family...

on the bold part, this is one of our main issues also... its a big sacrifice for us to go there with him cos in future he can definitely won't be in Malaysia... its us wanting to be by his side... and someone did mention, yes, that's what you want, but do you think your kid wants you beside him as well? sad.gif

we are thinking of possibilities since some friends did mentioned that half day work or part time jobs are pretty common in Aussie...

thanks so much for the feedback, really appreciate it smile.gif
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post Oct 11 2016, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(shazam7 @ Oct 11 2016, 09:04 AM)
Working at home depends very much on your company. Some allow some allow with limited capacity some dont allow at all.
Pay is calculated daily paid weekly (normally). If u go thru payroll company u can change this.
Put it this way lor. Contract is marked up 30% normally to pay for leave and holidays. So if u subtract 30% u are still earning 80K a year.
The Xmas and New Year holidays depend a lot on whether the company is shutting down. Some enforce shutdown for 1,2,3 weeks. But for 24x7 ops, BAU still applies so leave is limited to 3 days (Xmas, Boxing and New Years)

Termination period again depends on contract. Some got 0, some 2 weeks, some 1 month....

Cannot generalise.
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so its better not to expect the same contract rate after converting to permanent right?

thanks so much for the info, you seem to know a lot, are you from HR/employment agency? tongue.gif

by the way, in Malaysia, some of my contract friends register a company name and have the salary paid to the company for tax deduction purposes, any idea if this practice is common in Aussie?

we can continue in PM if this is inappropriate in a public forum

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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Oct 11 2016, 10:25 AM)
so its better not to expect the same contract rate after converting to permanent right?

thanks so much for the info, you seem to know a lot, are you from HR/employment agency? tongue.gif

by the way, in Malaysia, some of my contract friends register a company name and have the salary paid to the company for tax deduction purposes, any idea if this practice is common in Aussie?

we can continue in PM if this is inappropriate in a public forum
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yes its common, register an ABN and they employer pays that. this is only for contracts. then accountant will deduct almost everything
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QUOTE(selvenz @ Oct 11 2016, 10:48 AM)
yes its common, register an ABN and they employer pays that. this is only for contracts. then accountant will deduct almost everything
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thanks for the reply, i've sent you a PM to continue my queries there if you don't mind
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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Oct 11 2016, 10:25 AM)
we can continue in PM if this is inappropriate in a public forum
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Unless it's private and confidential info please share and discuss here, let's add to our cumulative knowledge.

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if its ok with the rest, i don't mind continuing here tongue.gif
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Hi guys, just a quick question here. My passport gonna expire next year so i was thinking of renew in KL this coming Christmas. However, read the news that it might be a problem to get it renewed within days.
The other option is to send to Melb for 2-3 weeks renewal process.

Secondly, once i have the renewed passport in malaysia, i still need to have old passport with me to go thru Oz custom...yes no? by that time i definitely won't be able to submit 929 on time. probably will submit in Perth later.

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QUOTE(selvenz @ Oct 11 2016, 10:48 AM)
yes its common, register an ABN and they employer pays that. this is only for contracts. then accountant will deduct almost everything
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yeah you can either register your own company ABN or the norm is PAYG, have to note for PAYG it depends on the recruitment companies, those large companies normally charge a fee on your salary whereas those smaller ones has 0% charge so if you were charged might as well start your own company ABN

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QUOTE(DarReNz @ Oct 11 2016, 02:20 PM)
yeah you can either register your own company ABN or the norm is PAYG
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Right. The ABN route is not for everyone. Some ppl may find it easier to engage a payroll company, let them do a PAYG.

Haven't really worked out the costs/benefits, but I think in terms of paperwork, engaging the accountant etc. the PAYG route seems more straightforward.
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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Oct 11 2016, 01:25 PM)
so its better not to expect the same contract rate after converting to permanent right?

thanks so much for the info, you seem to know a lot, are you from HR/employment agency? tongue.gif

by the way, in Malaysia, some of my contract friends register a company name and have the salary paid to the company for tax deduction purposes, any idea if this practice is common in Aussie?

we can continue in PM if this is inappropriate in a public forum
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Contractors always higher by 20-30%. Also do not expect the company will convert u. It makes more sense for them, from a HR and tax perspective, to keep u on as contractors.

I suffer thru a lot mah, that's why I know sikit sikit on this and that lor.
I am not from a HR/employment agency, just a lowly IT coolie.

The problem with registering yr own company (ABN) route: paperwork - need qualified accountant. Then insurance - need to buy professional indemnity insurance. A few K a year. Third, payment not stable. U only get paid when yr invoice gets paid.



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post Oct 11 2016, 11:29 AM

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interesting... i'll gather more info and see if i can ask the recruiter if they do offer PAYG... cos i have this wild thought of my salary going into a company and deduct my rent as expenses then only pay tax...
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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Oct 11 2016, 02:29 PM)
interesting... i'll gather more info and see if i can ask the recruiter if they do offer PAYG... cos i have this wild thought of my salary going into a company and deduct my rent as expenses then only pay tax...
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Recruiter can offer PAYG but super basic. And their payroll ppl can be quite dungu. But if I were u I go engage payroll company. They all got more lubang than recruiter.
Rent cannot be deducted as expense (u wish leh).
Car can.
Or if u live in Adelaide, rent a room in Melb, for example, rent in Melb can claim.


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