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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 5 2016, 09:09 AM)
Since we shown some mountain climbing photos...
I thought about the opposite...
the cliff diving photos....
which reminded me of your statement on GinTonic ....
On one hand if you look at the current photo...
it does look like cliff diving....

but if you take a step back....

stock started falling in mid Jan.... (which would have coincided with the retreat of the USD/MYR from 4.30+ region)....
which was followed by a Q4 earnings which was flat/slightly lower ...
which probably signaled a warning that the stock beautiful growth would come to an abrupt ending.....
then the stock started giving way a day ahead of its Q earnings release on 25/4/06
if one is a smart trader.....
do you to trade such a stock then?
or if you are holding... would you want to continue to hold or fast fast cut loss?
for me....
this is DEFINITELY not a crazy dip stock.....
stock trading is risky if you do not understand the risk.
QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 5 2016, 04:11 PM)
Yeah but it's not that easy.
Many just cannot cut at the crucial point....
That's why stock trading is so damn risky.
Managing the risk is so important.
In this instance, as a trader, if I was in the stock...
I would have to weigh in the management slowdown warning in Jan, which also coincided with the start of the retreat of the USD/MYR....
stock was on multi years high.....
driven by strong earnings growth....
but 2 of the factors that helped drove the stock so high....
could be a non factor soon....
and worst still it could actually cause earnings to decline .........
wasn't that enough catalyst for the stock trader to pack bag....
and run fast fast with his/her profit?

QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 5 2016, 04:40 PM)
Possible.
In trading, knowing where the exit is and when knowing when to exit is important.
Not easy to master.
Wow, Sifu active early in the morning during weekends and on weekdays. Good stuff!
Smart trader or not.... Gtronic was indeed a tricky stock to trade/invest in.
1. What's the differentiating factor between Gtronic and other mountain climbing stocks before the 4th qtr FY15 and 1st Qtr FY16 announcement results?
Aren't they the same? Multi-year high, strong growth, good cashflow, good mgmt etc.
(Note: I'm ignoring the forex impact, as this happened to all export-oriented comps as well).
2. Entry price plays a big role in whatever decision u want to do - cut loss with minimal or painful losses; sell with good or peanut profits; or just do nothing.
3. From 1 qtrly result alone (4th qtr FY15), could u really have made a disciplined decision to sell?
Or would you have waited for another qtr's results to see how things go?
Or can one even decide to sell even without referring to the qtrly results and sold specifically on 7 or 8 Jan 2016 itself?
Seriously, given Gtronic's track record so far, would u really sell and risk the price rebounding and breaking out at a higher level?
4. How many people could really interpret what the 4th Qtr FY15 results was really telling us with such info:
a. Revenue Q415 vs Q414 - down by 14%, but GP Margin improved from 22% to 30%
b. Net profit Q415 vs Q414 - improved by 3%, NP Margin improved from 17% to 20%.
(Note: I'm ignoring Total comprehensive income as the "other comprehensive income" element is non-distributable)
c. Cash balances and FCF improved.
d. Comments such as:
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The lower net profit achieved in the quarter was mainly due to lower volume loadings from some of the Group's customer (decrease in end customers' demand)Â and the shut down of manufacturing hubs/customers' facilities especially in the month of December 2015.
versus
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Moving forward, the Group will continue to focus on escalating up the value chain and riding on the R&D initiatives in new products’ design and development with our key customer. The Group will also continue to step up efforts in improving the efficiency and cost reduction measures in its Group’s operations to achieve the necessary competitive edge in the market. The business operations of the Group are not affected by any major seasonal or cyclical factors. Premised on the above and barring any unforeseen circumstances, the Group remains optimistic of achieving satisfactory performance in financial year 2016.
e. 2.6 mill gain from forex in 4th qtr FY15 alone.
5. If you check into 2015 AR - no mention or indication of 2016 prospects/outlook having any issue.
6. In 1st Qtr FY16, you will see this sentence "reduction in end customers' demand and general slow down in the industry" mentioned a few times. We also saw that mentioned above in 4th Qtr FY15 results.
Why can't they be straight forward to just say they are facing technology obsolescence for some of their products and will need time to create new products plus they are also having some deferment issues for some orders? Makes things easier to understand/comprehend right?
So, after considering the above, is it really easy to spot Mountain Climbers doing the reverse (after ignoring forex element) and can one really sell a stock so easily given the comp's past performance, business model and mgmt credibility?
Any average joe out there without insider info or even specific industry insight would have thought that Gtronic as a market leader in their field and would have done the necessary to avoid their current fiasco. But as usual, nothing is linear forever right?
This post has been edited by TC-Titan: Jun 6 2016, 10:55 AM