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post May 19 2016, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ May 19 2016, 10:05 AM)
yeah. develop your own investment strategy is utmost important. i gotta learn from you, uncle gark, pinky and etc.
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I'm just sharing my 2 cents. Still long way to go for me. So don't learn any "ajaran sesat" from me.
I should learn from Guppy Master instead. You handle IPOs and CF matters with closed eyes. rclxs0.gif
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post May 19 2016, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 19 2016, 02:42 PM)
U guys also noticed my baby's fall sad.gif

Yeah, I've been holding since late-2014, total annualised returns are still at a decent 18%.
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and tehoice

TAANN's results is out. So the rumours is true that the results is crappy. Susah dot com.
A bit weird why they rush the disclosure of the announcement. I tot norm would be in the final week for TAANN.

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post May 25 2016, 04:05 PM

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Pink Spider what's your plans for your Maybank, Malakof, Utdplt and Taann? Still intend to keep and buy more?
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post May 25 2016, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(CP88 @ May 25 2016, 04:36 PM)
Pinky has nothing more except $$. tongue.gif
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True story. Can plan for early retirement soon. laugh.gif
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post May 26 2016, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(river.sand @ May 26 2016, 01:13 PM)
I-BHD reports:
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/i...p-1q-net-profit

Do the unbilled sales come from units already booked, or do they merely refer to projected sales only?
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Unbilled sales should be based on signed SPAs.
There are some jokers out there that include bookings as well to make them look good.

Note: Unbilled sales is totally different from accrued billings.

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post May 26 2016, 06:29 PM

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Pink Spider Chinwel's results look interesting this round. I can see they are trying to do more local sales, which is a good move. Cash balances and FCF looks very good.
Let's see how 4th qtr goes.
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post May 30 2016, 02:55 PM

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Maybank and Ambank gonna test 52 week low soon.

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post May 31 2016, 04:56 PM

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FUYOH!!! Last few mins the funds just dumped Armada, CIMB and Maybank. @__@
Crazy stuff.
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post Jun 1 2016, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ May 31 2016, 10:05 AM)
time to collect some? hmm.gif
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I bought some MBB at 8.16. Not sure whether will go Holland or not.
Seems like a high chance since support has been tested quite a number of times and overall trend is declining.
Just buy more and keep for Gen Alpha kids. laugh.gif

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post Jun 2 2016, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 2 2016, 09:29 AM)
Where's the meat?
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Ampun Tuanku~!

Most of your favourite export stocks rising d.
Especially homeboy and Hevea.
Any comment's on CBIP's future plantation activities?

How about consumer stocks like: Cocolnd, Pwroot, OFI
I have been monitoring them for some time. But there's something telling me to chill and wait first.

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post Jun 2 2016, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 2 2016, 10:15 AM)
You might want to consider several checklist before you trade.

1. Is that an ideal trading setup? You feeling it?
2. What's the catalyst to trade it?
3. What kind of profit am I looking at?
4. What's my risk?

etc etc etc.....

Lol!
You know what my trading position meh?

Export stocks?
The core business needs to be good/improving.
The f-ed up no strength ringgit should not be the deciding factor.
Whats the rfuture risk in the ringgit issue?
If there is a change in gov, how?
If no, how?
etc etc....

Yeah. Hevea core businesss is still good.

Ask gark la about Cb.

How about you look at this stock called OKA.
You can see its pipes all around with the current sewerage projectalp over the city.
Is there a trading opportunity?
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Thanks sifu!

Too many people have been harping and covering OKA for quite some time already.
I recall RHB kept on reiterating it's a jewel for the small/mid caps and I also saw a few blogs/write-ups about it.
Apart from the above, it's quite clear-cut that the stock is still on an uptrend and is in play... for now.
I'm not too keen to join the party until the price has retraced a fair bit and till I have done more homework first.

Speaking about construction stocks and building materials....
What's your take on Annjoo, MRCB and Ekovest.
I recall u commented a long time ago on Annjoo's trend.
MRCB was hyped up previously by OTB.
Ekovest on the other hand.... is a different animal if u roughly know LKH's game plan.
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post Jun 3 2016, 09:45 AM

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My 2 cents:

It's a different ball game IF your family and yourself are solely dependent on how much profit you can bring in on a daily/weekly/monthly/yearly basis from your trades.

Those with a lot of commitments (e.g service home and car loan, fund kid's college and uni education etc) will have even more psychological stress/pressure. Are you confident to be in the right state of mind to trade every day? How about days when you're very sick?

Even if your trading strategy may be good, but there are some situations (black swans) which may out of your expectations (e.g refer to crazy dips in BAT, Gtronic, MISC). Can you cut-loss on time? Willing to make an immediate realised loss from that or wait till price recovers back? Time is money. How much are you willing to cut-loss (e.g 2% to 30%)? To regain back the amounts that you have cut-loss also takes time.

Lot's of things to consider and lot's of battles and wars to choose. Don't need to be a champ to trade every stock out there all the time. And not necessary to follow the crowd to trade the "favourite" stock of the day/week/month.

The best thing you can do now is to gain more knowledge and experience. Read up and go for courses if you need to. Practice "paper trades".
Don't learn the hard way by burning your hard earned money within a few seconds or from just one trade. Ain't worth it.
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post Jun 4 2016, 12:53 PM

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I used to think 3 to 5 years assessment alone was good.
Then changed it to min 8 to 10 years then add on with TTM. On rare occasions I go beyond 12 years.
Reason bcoz if too short a time frame, what you see may be a beautiful side of a story and not the whole cycle. So there's always a mean reversion and non-linear progress/results. And your assessment must consider those and not merely the beautiful side.

Just my 0.2 cents input.

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post Jun 6 2016, 10:45 AM

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Wow, Sifu active early in the morning during weekends and on weekdays. Good stuff!

Smart trader or not.... Gtronic was indeed a tricky stock to trade/invest in.

1. What's the differentiating factor between Gtronic and other mountain climbing stocks before the 4th qtr FY15 and 1st Qtr FY16 announcement results?
Aren't they the same? Multi-year high, strong growth, good cashflow, good mgmt etc.
(Note: I'm ignoring the forex impact, as this happened to all export-oriented comps as well).

2. Entry price plays a big role in whatever decision u want to do - cut loss with minimal or painful losses; sell with good or peanut profits; or just do nothing.

3. From 1 qtrly result alone (4th qtr FY15), could u really have made a disciplined decision to sell?
Or would you have waited for another qtr's results to see how things go?
Or can one even decide to sell even without referring to the qtrly results and sold specifically on 7 or 8 Jan 2016 itself?
Seriously, given Gtronic's track record so far, would u really sell and risk the price rebounding and breaking out at a higher level?

4. How many people could really interpret what the 4th Qtr FY15 results was really telling us with such info:
a. Revenue Q415 vs Q414 - down by 14%, but GP Margin improved from 22% to 30%
b. Net profit Q415 vs Q414 - improved by 3%, NP Margin improved from 17% to 20%.
(Note: I'm ignoring Total comprehensive income as the "other comprehensive income" element is non-distributable)
c. Cash balances and FCF improved.
d. Comments such as:
QUOTE
The lower net profit achieved in the quarter was mainly due to lower volume loadings from some of the Group's customer (decrease in end customers' demand)  and the shut down of manufacturing hubs/customers' facilities especially in the month of December 2015.
versus
QUOTE
Moving forward, the Group will continue to focus on escalating up the value chain and riding on the R&D initiatives in new products’ design and development with our key customer. The Group will also continue to step up efforts in improving the efficiency and cost reduction measures in its Group’s operations to achieve the necessary competitive edge in the market. The business operations of the Group are not affected by any major seasonal or cyclical factors. Premised on the above and barring any unforeseen circumstances, the Group remains optimistic of achieving satisfactory performance in financial year 2016.
e. 2.6 mill gain from forex in 4th qtr FY15 alone.

5. If you check into 2015 AR - no mention or indication of 2016 prospects/outlook having any issue.

6. In 1st Qtr FY16, you will see this sentence "reduction in end customers' demand and general slow down in the industry" mentioned a few times. We also saw that mentioned above in 4th Qtr FY15 results.
Why can't they be straight forward to just say they are facing technology obsolescence for some of their products and will need time to create new products plus they are also having some deferment issues for some orders? Makes things easier to understand/comprehend right?

So, after considering the above, is it really easy to spot Mountain Climbers doing the reverse (after ignoring forex element) and can one really sell a stock so easily given the comp's past performance, business model and mgmt credibility?

Any average joe out there without insider info or even specific industry insight would have thought that Gtronic as a market leader in their field and would have done the necessary to avoid their current fiasco. But as usual, nothing is linear forever right?

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post Jun 6 2016, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 6 2016, 11:33 AM)
Dude...

I come forum to participate as forum member la...
So don't li c k my bola buy giving me the sifu tittle.
Sifu worshiping turns form toxic laaaa...

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laugh.gif Chilllll la!

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post Jun 6 2016, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 6 2016, 12:39 PM)
LOL @@@

Sifu all die cow cow in all kung fu movie....
Even Jedi sifu also die cow cow....andand you wanna call me sifu? tongue.gif

Stock trading so easy meh?
Look the worst thinking one can have is...
What if I sell and the stock later rebo u nds higher?

Lol...
I tell you la....
You canno t have such wishy washy thinking if you want to be a good trader...

Selling after the actual announcement of quarterly earnings?
You want confirmation?
Lol...what's your risk?

The slowdown warning?
Let me search.....
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Yes yes... cari makan memang susah.
Plenty of mistakes to be made and avoided if possible.
Life long learning process... before becoming a sifu that dies cow cow. devil.gif

What do u think of KESM?
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post Jun 6 2016, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 6 2016, 05:03 PM)
Had to search my disk for the report...

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Look at the production cut mentioned by the manager.

KESM?

Well what do you think?

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And they still dare to put the TP at 8.00 even after knowing a 20 to 25% production cut was happening...
Susah betul ni.

On KESM, nothing much to say except everything seems good?
But, I find something interesting that so far no one has spoken about (I think so la).
To me... the 3rd qtr FY16 results is not a surprise and not really a big deal.
Just that people forgot to see the real impact going forward from the full acquisition of the NCI in FY15, that was completed on 4thQtrFY15.


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post Jun 6 2016, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 6 2016, 05:42 PM)
LOL!!!!

See. See. See....

The deep blue sea...
and the deep blue phobia....

of the Toilet Paper price.

Get rid of such thinking....

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Anyway...
one should have put on their own thinking....
previously....
one of the drivers that drove the GinTonic so sky high...
was news that the proximity sensor....
is gonna have a boom boom time....
so the BULK of the future earnings projections was based on these new sensors...
but then...
when the Jan article came out...
GinTonic itself state the production cutdown....

now if you are a trader....
what should have been the best course of action?
wait for the April Q earnings to confirm the bad earnings?

p/s now do you understand why I don't consider this stock as a crazy dip stock?

KESM?
errr..... dude.... seriously.... why do you need someone to SPEAK UP the stock?
if the stock check all your check points in your checklist....
do you need someone to confirm and tell you that the stock is good or no good? tongue.gif

if you seriously wanna be good....
you need a brand new mindset...

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New vocabulary acquired.
TP = Toilet paper biggrin.gif

I wasn't following Gtronic previously before the crash, so I didn't notice any mention by mgmt on the production cut as per the MBB Research report.
Only begin to be curious with Gtronic after they crash. laugh.gif
And to answer your question, the SELL signal was pretty strong as opposed to the "Buy call" on 11 Jan 2016.

To be fair... apart from the boom boom time... fundamentally Gintonic was good. Double digits for GPM, NPM, ROA, ROE, ROIC. Positive FCF and decent Div Yield. All of this was for quite a number of years...
So if no one paid attention to the MBB report with regards to the production cut, everyone will just continue to hold and assume everything will continue to be OK even if the price dipped for a bit.

My opinion or checklist on KESM may be different from yours or other people ma.
So that's why it is good to discuss in the forum to see if you noted something different based on your experience that may be significant. Just like Gintonic above.
Anyway, even if the stock may appear to be good, I prefer to monitor their price movement and observe how the counter is being played before going in.
More intel/facts on the stock doesn't hurt. rclxs0.gif

Penta is getting more interesting eh.
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post Jun 8 2016, 10:06 AM

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tehoice I'm sure u know this one. biggrin.gif

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post Jun 8 2016, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 8 2016, 12:32 PM)
Not all la dei !

This one is Padini la....

I remember...
Cos i no look up the company.  tongue.gif

( see... I am not stock god... what I no suka doesn't mean stock wont go up... tongue.gif )
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 8 2016, 01:09 PM)
Lol !

I posted my comments on it on the AirAsia thread.....
Err...watching the 28/30 for any negative reaction.....
Also....I might not wait for next earnings report.....
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Yeap.
Since you're trading AA, does that mean u're also trading Padini? hmm.gif

Speaking about Stock God... pink spider Come back and discuss stocks lo. Don't camp at CC d laugh.gif

QUOTE(tehoice @ Jun 8 2016, 01:31 PM)
lol. i think i better pickup some chart reading skills soon.
this 1 panini.........  biggrin.gif
mah fav stock. hahahha

look at the bell i know liao..... mostly is dividend bell.

tell me which stock has such a good yield with quarterly dividends every year without fail for the past few years?  hmm.gif
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There's quite a number. I have mentioned some before. But u can try checking out Litrak and Taliwrks.

Go take up basic to advance charting course. Helps a lot to have this knowledge.
But fully utilising them on the practical side for various "live" scenarios is another story.

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