You can stay until the expiry of your tier 4 student visa....but most people will leave, as it is expensive to live....you can still do part-time work during this period...

For transfers, the normal commencement date of your studies will be around Sept and all classes including exams will finish around 30th June. Thus, your Residence Permit will expire on 30th August.

Note: Regardless when your graduation is, the course end date is the more important date.

This post has been edited by digitalz: Nov 30 2015, 08:16 AM

Limited Tier 2 Visas and only big companies are willing to sponsor it.

the issue is not the sum, but getting a job, and your prospective employer willing to sponsor your tier 2 visa...

the minimum salary requirement is to counter an old loophole where relatives/friends "sponsor" graduating students with low salaries like 10k quid working in restaurants etc...

You can know from the expiry date of your visa. It will be few months (depends on the course) after your course end date.

A heads up though, when I was here 4 years ago, I left UK to travel around Europe after I completed my course, but my student visa is not expired yet. When I re-enter UK, the immigration informed me that since my course has ended and I left UK, I will be re-entering UK using visitor visa, although my student visa has not expired yet.

many people have gone to Singapore to work as security guard for Aetos or Cisco for about 5 years or more. if you work two shifts a day its about RM300 a day. You work in the day and sleep at night from 12 midnight to maybe 3am, do some checks at the place you jaga and after that you sleep from 4am to 6am. its a very terrible lifestyle but when you're desperate for money to study you will do anything as long as its not illegal.

during the 5 years or more that they work in Singapore some have also redo their A levels in a college in JB via causeway and then when classes finish they will report back to work in Singapore. After the 5 years or more of working in Singapore they then go to UK to do a degree. I know a few who did law but after finish they did not return to Malaysia. They either work in UK or Singapore. UK junior lawyer salary now is pathetic. so are doctors but these people want to become residents in UK so they don't mind the low salary. Singapore starting salary for lawyer is $SGD 4500 monthly : RM 13,522. Doctor is $SGD 5000 a month : RM 15,000. I know two persons who worked in singapore, did a German language certificate courses and now in germany working and living there permanently.

for those of you in your early 20s and you know your family don't have money and you know you can't get a bank loan then better go to Singapore and work. earn the money first and then you can always return to university later on.

for those of you wanting to do law via 1+2 or 2+1 or whatever system they have now just remember one thing. university rankings play a part. why go and study in lousy university like aberystwyth, oxford brookes, manchester metropolitan dan lain lain lagi? These are universities that nobody wants to go to. There always have many places left on their courses and they are ready to accept anyone who has the money to pay the degree fees. These universities are so desperate for gullible international students from China, India, Pakistan, Nigeria, Russia and Malaysia.

don't blindly follow your friend or the private law college you are studying at and then just ikut orang lain buat 1+2, 2+1 and all that. most countries in the world do not allow such nonsense in order to become a lawyer in their respective country. the rule in most first world countries is that you must study on campus in UK for the entire duration of the 3 year law degree.

You should aim for the tops universities like Oxbridge, SOAS, Kings College, Queen Mary, UCL, Durham, Bristol, Birmingham, Nottingham and Warwick. if you graduate from these universities it is very easy for you to work as a foreign lawyer in singapore. the salary as i mentioned above is $SGD 4500 monthly : RM 13,522. depending on your contract and which international firm you work for you can get your rent paid for by the law firm and other perks such as lease for the car but you pay for the petrol. do your research. everything is online.

someone earlier said that to study law you must study hard and smart. well thats not exactly the picture. if your english is buruk but you have a good lecturer who gives you model answer for exams then you will do well. if you are the lazy type and also tengok filem blue tiap tiap hari then you will definitely fail. if you don't like to read extra textbooks or legal articles then please do another simpler degree other than law. if you don't like to write and write and write then focus on another degree.

whats the point of studying so much and paying so much in university fees but when you graduate your salary as a lawyer is RM 2600 monthly? how are you going to face your parents? so you need to ask yourself. do you really have a future in malaysia after you graduate from UK? in terms of economic and financial sense other countries are way better. end of the day the choice is yours.

talk to many people like your lecturers or lawyers and ask them questions. you will get the true picture when you open your mouth and ask the correct questions.

My niece is heading to UK next year for study
I will ask her to read from v1 onwards to obtain insights

That's a good head start, however if she has any specific question to ask feel free to ask by posting as well.

yup, you can be a proxy for her. we're all willing to help here

if she really has the patience to do so and time to kill then why not? before i decided to study in UK I went through all the posts since V1. I can tell you right now that none of the posts actually help me at all. but look at my previous posts and you can easily see that I have stated many valid and good points. even if you disagree let me tell you that many members have message me to thank me for my contribution.

you need to understand a few things. there are 3 groups of students that venture outside of Malaysia to UK, US and elsewhere for further studies.

First group is the gifted group but no money. So they take scholarships. and they fight all out for Singapore scholarships. Why Singapore? other than the fact that singapore is just next door, many of the applicants are chinese and since Singapore is chinese majority, it is easier to blend in with the majority. Average singaporeans won't actually know you're malaysian unless you tell them. the sharp eyed ones will identify you easily from the way you speak. So for these Malaysian chinese, this is a safety net for them. If they can't get Singapore scholarship then they will try for UK/US scholarships. If really no choice then they take the malaysian scholarships.

Second group is not so smart but parents have money. So they meet the entry requirements of the foreign universities and they start their first year degree. if can stay overseas they will stay overseas and start a new life there.

The third group is made up of many that you can and will continue to see here on this forum. They don't exactly have the money so they do transfer degrees such as 1+2 or 2+1. But when they do this they don't realise that they are limiting their future options. Such transfer degrees are not recognized in actual first world countries with strong economies and countries when it comes to applying for citizenships, permanent residency or jobs.

sebagai contoh lets look at law. if any of you who do 1+2 or 2+1 and after graduation you want to work in singapore you can dream on. singapore only recognize 11 british university and you must study at the same uni for 3 years in a row. they don't allow nonsense such as top up degree or fastrack degree or 1+2 or 2+1.

so please don't ikut your friend or listen to your private college lecturer and do the wrong thing. you want to study degree? make sure you know how to ask the right questions yo your friends and lecturers. if you cannot think critically then perhaps doing a degree is not for you. don't just think of malaysia as the place you are going to work, get married and die in. the world is much bigger out there than just malaysia and what it has to offer.

i don't think i need to touch on bumiputera policy. which is why at the age of 16/17 you must know what to do. and make sure you do all the necessary research. only you can make a better life for yourself and for your children. ibu bapa kita dah buat the best they can. so sekarang its up to us.


hi. very kind of you to volunteer. can you plz both list your educational journey? from A level onwards and what subjects you took and your grades? can you also state which university you are studying in UK and which course? and whether you took a biasiswa? terima kasih.

Sure. Took A-levels at HELP college in Math, Econ, Acc and Chem. Made it to study Accounting and Finance at Warwick.
No biasiswa from home but receiving a bursary from a UK firm.

Have you considered the fact that some might have financial issues? some do 1+2 or 2+1 to study at unis like Cardiff or Liverpool which are frankly not as bad as you say. Not everyone wants to stay in the UK/ work in Singapore. Please talk with a nicer tone and not be so condescending to others.

Why don't you tell us more about your uni

Thanks for the support

Thank you for the lengthy reply n inputs

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This post has been edited by limeuu: Dec 7 2015, 10:36 AM

That is the most sickening comment that a person can make in this thread

I don't know and don't care about other subjects but for law, anyone can get into liverpool or cardiff. its so easy to pass law exams set in liverpool. i know 6 people from there. mostly lazy, likes to go drinking and don't like studying. the lecturers will give 'tips' before the exam. these tips are so accurate because the exam questions are similar. i heard there is also open book test. But i won't be able to find out from there if this open book test is still going on. You know why?

The 6 people are chinese. they have something known as face value. they believe that they must jaga face value. even if i ask them if got open book test they will not tell me the truth. my french and russian friends were the ones who told me about the tips before the exams. that's how i know about it. i can ask them later about the open book test.

for me :
Foundation from Warwick International College.
LLB from LSE.


no problem. if you realise i actually touch on areas that no one talks about. which is why it is indeed an eye opener and some forum members will feel kecil because deep down they are uncomfortable because whatever i said is the truth. and abang mesti tahu kan? the truth selalu hurts.

it is the fact. none of the posts actually helped me at all. all people in the threads talk about was if the weather is cold and other nonsense which is ridiculous I don't want to repeat here in my post again. on this forum no one except me touched extensively on UK visa, bank account accommodation, food, books, winter clothing, air ticket dan lain lain lagi. so yes. to you it is a sickening comment. but to me and those of other forum members who have replied me dalam private message to thank me, we know its true.

if 15 people have read my previous posts, give me benefit of the doubt, go to UK, message me on this forum from UK to thank me for the accuracy of my posts then why should I bother about a one or two disgruntled members? if you were born in malaysia and u want to die in malaysia then that is your issue. but please don't influence others or hold them back from venturing outside.

the world is much bigger than malaysia. look at the weakness of the currency, the alleged corruption in the government and police, people dying in police lockup, question marks raised about the appointment of judges, a flawed bumiputera policy, high numbers in crime such as murder, kidnapping, robbery and rape, poor standards of education at national level, reluctance to adopt English as a national language high unemployment rate dan lain lain lagi.

for these reasons i don't blame people for wanting to study in UK/US or singapore for a better future.

This post has been edited by kelmarin: Dec 7 2015, 05:08 PM

Fair enough.

Never heard of Warwick International College, as far as i'm informed the college is still under the proposal stage. Do you mean the one in Stratford-upon-Avon?

I have quite a few friends from LSE, with some studying LLB as well. Which year are you currently in?

Yes. It's also known as Kaplan International College.

I'm in year 2. I did not join the local society and I stay away from people from my country. I rather mix with the british, french and others.

are you chinese? are you doing law? if no then which course and at which uni? do you have open book tests in your uni? if yes, will you ever tell your parents and your friends and your future employers that you actually had open book tests and that before your exams, your lecturers will hold emergency seminars which is actually where they give you tips on which questions will come out in the exam paper?

Hi kelmarin. I am, unfortunately, the 3rd group of students you mentioned in your post.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not actually offended, because what you have said is mostly true, it's difficult for international students to find a permanent job over here at UK, as you need the company willing to sponsor you for tier 2 visa etc.
And it's only even more difficult for, like you said, done a bachelor degree by twinning.
Tbh, I'm not a bright student with results of flying colours, so yeah, I decided to go abroad to study by doing the twinning degree. The main reason I decided to study abroad is mostly for the life experience and, try my luck for getting a job here, although I know it'll be extremely difficult go get one.
I'm lucky that my parents are willing to support me for funding my studies, so I don't have to really worry about my funding.

Alright, my educational journey starting from pre-U.
I done my A-Levels at TARC.
Then done a 2+1 twinning program for bachelor degree. I done my year 1 and 2 at UCSI University, and final year at University of the West of England in Bristol, England. My degree is BSc major in Biological Sciences.
And right now I'm doing MSc Molecular Cell Biology at Nottingham Trent University in Nottingham, England.

AFAIK getting a job placement is possible for international students, but it's not easy to get, especially for postgrad, cause companies are looking for undergrad that have the possibility for permanent employment later on.
That being said, I'll still try to apply and try my luck.

I have friends taking 2nd year LLB as well. Pretty sure you guys have met before somehow. Where in London are you staying now? There's a forummer here doing his second year at LSE as well

Don't have feel superior because you have british and french friends. You're not the only one with friends from other nationalities and it's not mutually exclusive that you can't have local friends as well. Again, why are you talking as if you hate your country so much?

Yes I am chinese and I don't see how does that even matter. I've answered your questions and not everyone reads law my friend. Speaking of which, have you done your applications for vacation schemes?