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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL & FLX Thread V69, 69 :3

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post Jun 24 2016, 09:54 AM

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My next car ...
If me can afford one...

Wld b a car with a TIMING CHAIN !!
Like me old ole Mitsu Colt Galant!!
No such worries!! thumbup.gif rclxm9.gif

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post Jun 24 2016, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Jun 24 2016, 09:56 AM)
Maivee very cheap now.
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Many tks 4response... thumbsup.gif
Re MyB...yup... tongue.gif
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But me hv alwaz preferred one with a good butt...haha! rclxms.gif icon_rolleyes.gif

Was aiming 4a Sentra but they stopped producing it....dun fancy its replacement ie the Almeerah re its outside & inside.... whistling.gif sweat.gif
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post Jun 24 2016, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(iskazulka @ Jun 24 2016, 09:57 AM)
i stick with 5 years @ 80k mileage whichever comes first for peace of mind. my car more towards city driving.
i don't want to risk snapped the timing belt before reaching next year.
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Yrs oledi 80k Km...
Mine only less than 40k Km... sweat.gif

High risk or not waiting for 6 yrs 2chsnge? whistling.gif

ps. Mayb juz change TIming Belt & oil seals?
Other items in pkg (eg Water Pump...Tensioner) like not so affected by age...more affected by usage...or am i wrong? tongue.gif

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post Jun 27 2016, 04:46 PM

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Hi Everyone!! wave.gif notworthy.gif

Att: Bros iskazulka Iwliam JamesBotak kiien_kyan

Re FC, IMHO there's NO fixed value...
Too many variables involved!! rclxub.gif
Unless it's measured under test conditions
& @controlled constant speeds...
Pls refer to User Manual/official sources for such values... icon_rolleyes.gif

As a rough guide & fr my own experience...in a 1.3L 4AT Auto...
Pls expect approx. :
10Km/L & below for City or mixed driving...
( i hv got as low as only 5Km/L in purely City drives! sweat.gif )
Above 10 Km/L for Hiway driving @90 - 110Kmh... rolleyes.gif

NOTE. Gen. knowledge : Gagas esp pre CVTs hv never been bought for their great FCs!! rclxm9.gif

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post Jul 5 2016, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(iskazulka @ Jul 5 2016, 09:16 AM)
normal lor. proton.
just wait until 1k service then get it fix lor.
last time i fix my rear boot lid spring only when 15k service (approx. 9 months after owning car) lol. the boot lid cannot hold open.
btw, it's just hand brake, not worse like engine leaking coolant.
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Hi Everyone! wave.gif

For gen knowledge, all who buy/use Gagas are FAST learners...
Also mature very quickly in very short time abt cars & car probs... thumbup.gif

Btw Selamat Hari Raya Aidil Fitri 2all our Muslim Bros & frens!! notworthy.gif rclxms.gif thumbup.gif
To others...hv a gr8 holiday break!! biggrin.gif icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jul 6 2016, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(lola10 @ Jul 6 2016, 08:45 PM)
notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
have anyone here experienced this?

spoilt gear knob bangwall.gif  bangwall.gif  bangwall.gif
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Hi... notworthy.gif
Me hv read a no. of such incidents...
So far...mine still ok...touch wood!! thumbup.gif
IINM it does not cost much 2replace... icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jul 15 2016, 02:40 PM

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Hi Everyone! notworthy.gif

ATTENTION :.. . esp to Bros iskazulka wankel TitanRev Quazacolt davidke20

Juz 1 Q... icon_question.gif tongue.gif

All Gaga owners/users...esp those who hv oledi replaced their Gaga Timing Belts... thumbup.gif

Can the Timing Belt cover (black colour one)
be taken off by juz removing the 3 small bolts holding it to the cyl head?

I mean some ppl hv said that the engine support bracket nxt 2it must b loosened/released FIRST
B4 the lower bolt can b removed (upper 2 screws no prob)...

All info/suggestions wld b most appreciated.

Why do i ask?
To enable a visual check on condition of Timing Belt... icon_rolleyes.gif

Tqvm in adv. thumbup.gif notworthy.gif

NB. Those who hv witnessed or even better, removed that cover himself... thumbsup.gif

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post Jul 15 2016, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(iskazulka @ Jul 15 2016, 04:13 PM)


iinm according to the video, just the 3 bolts.

the bracket also need to cabut for easier pull out the timing belt cover.
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Cabut engine support bracket itu yg I banyak takut la... rclxub.gif sweat.gif

Feel like chking its condition or else it wld b a big waste if me change my Timing Belt if still in VERY GOOD condition...

Fyi my old Saga 1.5I punya Timing Belt was changed TOO EARLY even @80k Km!!
So said the mechanic who did so...cld hv kept it till at least 90k Km as 100k Km was its max lifespan!!
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post Jul 15 2016, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(iskazulka @ Jul 15 2016, 04:51 PM)
i think not the engine support bracket. just the piping bracket if you see the video.
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Yup, Bro... notworthy.gif thumbup.gif

Juz reviewed yr attached vid...And it's juz the aircon piping support bracket...

Tqvm, Bro!

Will consider pros & cons b4 decide 2open it up... tongue.gif

My Gaga is now only @38+k Km saje....altho 5+ yrs... blush.gif

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post Jul 15 2016, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(wankel @ Jul 15 2016, 07:46 PM)
I haven't changed Daisy's timing belt yet but it's normal to have to remove the crankshaft pulley, be aware that the bolt holding that on is always a real tight bugger, if you lack tools then what works for most cars is to put a strong socket or ring spanner on the nut then wedge it against something solid like a crossmember and give the starter a quick hit, that usually frees it, and usually the crank pulley slides off fairly easily. You'll have to take the lower part of the plastic belt cover off as well then.
I think you'll also have to support the engine while the engine mount is off for installation. On our twin cams it may be very advisable to lock the cams in place, I've made a simple tool out of a bent piece of steel to do that but I haven't had a chance to test it yet.
Golden rule of thumb for tension is to be able to twist the belt 90 degrees by hand at a long stretch such as between the crank and exhaust sprockets, but I can't promise that'll be right for the Campro.
Changing belts is usually a fairly simple job but because most Aussies are petrified at the though of doing it shops use it as a cash cow by charging a fortune, thus many people wait until the belt snaps, not a sensible option in an interference engine.

edit: A real cheapskate trick for tightening the crank bolt again is to lower the engine/car onto a jackstand with a shaped block that'll fit the outside of the pully and not damage it, then you'll be able to tighten the bolt OK.
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Me not gonna DIY Belt change...
Juz wanna remove upper cover 2chk on belt condition cos my Saga is @a very low mileage only...38+k Km after 5 yrs ownership!! tongue.gif
The lower RHS 8mm bolt appears 2b partially blocked by engine mount bracket assy...
Can that long(?) bolt be removed as is?
Tqvm in adv.
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post Jul 16 2016, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jul 15 2016, 11:55 PM)
my car mileage is 4X+ of your mileage.

My 1st timing belt changed near to 100k without any visible hairline crack, i don't think u need to worry about yours.
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Long time no hear liao.... thumbsup.gif

Tks a whole lot 4yr optimistic & reassuring comments!!
Yu hv juz given me enuf confidence 2hang on2 present ori Belt 4some time longer... thumbup.gif icon_rolleyes.gif

There are signs & symptoms of a problematic belt... tongue.gif
However, cld not apply those tests ( eg fluctuations of timing marks?) except for visual inspection of condition...

Hv a gr8 Wkend & tks agin!! rclxms.gif thumbsup.gif :peace
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post Jul 16 2016, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(wankel @ Jul 15 2016, 10:51 PM)
The three bolts that hold the top cover on are all easily removed without having to play with anything else.
I changed the middle one with a 8mm head for one with a 10 mm head so I didn't have to change spanners to do the job.
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Hi agin, Bro!! notworthy.gif

Tks a meg 4abv confirmation!! thumbup.gif

2day me tried 2get that hinged type of socket wrench.
However needed an 8 & 10mm pc but found only 1pc of wrong size...10 & 12 mm pc...@ Mr DIY outlet... sweat.gif

Hi Bro iskazulka ...
Any updates? PM me, pls.. thumbup.gif
Tqvm. notworthy.gif

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post Jul 17 2016, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Jul 17 2016, 06:41 PM)
Meanwhile Australian models get traction control, foot blower, front demister and a heater

Wonderful stripped down model for Malaysians  whistling.gif
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Wow! It's gr8 2see yu agin!! rclxms.gif biggrin.gif
Ya lo... We get the worst of our very own Msian car & even paying a high price 4it!!

My relatives down under asked me @time me got my FL how much me paid 4it...
And guess wat?
He told me the S16 was only AUD 16k there!!
And that was CBU plus all those features we dun get here!!
And...conversion rate was then only <RM3 to AUD 1... ohmy.gif vmad.gif

There was a time when citizens were angry why Msians were "subsidising" own built cars 4sale overseas? rclxub.gif

For attention of Bro wankel... tongue.gif

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post Jul 17 2016, 09:05 PM

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QUOTE(blast89 @ Jul 17 2016, 09:01 PM)
Hi Bro... notworthy.gif

IINM dun think our Gagas can use those...
Ours are COP type... tongue.gif
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post Jul 17 2016, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(wankel @ Jul 17 2016, 09:29 PM)
Daisy cost me AU$12.990 drive away with 6 months rego, no extra costs, what was also lovely was a dealership that put no pressure on me for useless extras which sadly many do.
What's nice is it never feels like it's the cheapest car on the road. Daisy even has leather seats.
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Fyi me paid almost RM43k (compared 2yr AUD13k or RM39k converted @AUD1=RM3 even!!) for my FL WITHOUT ABS..EBD...TRACTION CTRL..PANEL LIGHTS DIMMER....etc !!
And with ONLY FABRIC SEATS!! rclxub.gif vmad.gif

And yu had yrs shipped thousandsof Km overseas...mine was transported locally a few hundred Km only!! bangwall.gif

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post Jul 18 2016, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Jul 18 2016, 08:07 AM)
boycott whistling.gif
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Boycott is not a nice word 2use...

It's juz a simple logical & rational decision 2make... tongue.gif

With intro of new P2 Sedan...
With those specs...
With those prices...

It becomes a natural smart choice...
NOT 2choose uknowat liao.... whistling.gif

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post Jul 18 2016, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Jul 18 2016, 03:53 PM)
Bezza? Who needs Proton?

ASEAN NCAP crash test result have put the Bezza higher ranking than the Iriz/Preve already. Just a few points behind the Honda Jazz.

Even Child Occupant Protection is way ahead of Proton.

Perodua may have just succeeded with its first-ever sedan.
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Which make did yu think I reli meant by "uknowat"??
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QUOTE(wankel @ Jul 18 2016, 04:15 PM)
Plus Daisy would have been road freighted further as well, at least 1300 km if it landed in Brisbane or much further if it landed as is quite likely at a more southern port.
I like the reversing sensor too, it only intrudes if there's an issue.
Nice of Malaysia to send such nice models to our market, a real shame in many ways that they've been unwanted, and sadly a lot of that can be put down to prejudice or fear of anything non-mainstream, meanwhile I have to read about issues that the "better" brands have all the time whilst continuing to have a reliable Daisy.
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If only Proton had sold EXACTLY the same S16 here...with same features & qualty of pre-delivery services as those cars it exports overseas... whistling.gif
AND....at the same prices..even after conversion...minus all the xtra expenses eg shipping..insurance, etc tongue.gif
Proton wld hv sold much much more cars locally & survived!! rolleyes.gif

Unfortunately.... sweat.gif rclxub.gif bangwall.gif

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post Jul 19 2016, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(iskazulka @ Jul 15 2016, 04:51 PM)
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I managed 2get 1pc dbl offset 8 & 10 mm wrench....
Will try if it works juz as well...
No rush, rite? icon_rolleyes.gif

After me get new replacement cover seals...juz in case...haha! tongue.gif

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post Jul 20 2016, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(wankel @ Jul 19 2016, 12:15 PM)
You won't need a new seal, it only seals dust out, no big deal.
Open end spanners are the tool of the devil unless a fastener isn't very tight but ever since the British car industry vanished into a sea of its own oil leaks car makers always make sure fasteners are torqued up good and tight.
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It's alwaz a pleasure & educational 2read yr comments in here...
Besides Bro iskazulka who has been practically holding this fort up 4quite some time oledi...
Tks 2dedicated ppl in this forum...it still lives!! thumbsup.gif

Fyi (and Bro iskazulka )...
I hv finally got 2pcs of the Ori seal for the timing belt cover...seems 2 pcs are needed?
Even the shop fella told me so! Haha! biggrin.gif

As yu hv said, there's (usually?) no need 4their replacements...
However me hv noticed cracks along the upper side of the existing seal. sweat.gif
So..as a kinda pessimistic guy, me feel safer with spares in hand b4 attempting removal. icon_rolleyes.gif
Anyway they dun cost much...got them fr a spare parts shop for only RM9 /pc...abt AUD3?

Btw me hv also a 3rd party transparent cover...may replace with that if no probs encountered.
Will update here if cld do so... tongue.gif

Hv a nice evening!!
Cheers!! cheers.gif

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