Can share more good things about this prop? Let us learn from you..ppl always said the real can not be fake, the fake can not be real

Agree that every condo take some time  to resolve all the interim problem until a solid jmb is formed. Solid jmb is composed of good member who truly care and willing to improve the condo (having a braini is a must). Then again not to forget if the condo is managed by ytl then there is some quality there.

Lagi agree that ppl who dont do site visit or just make remark based  on forum and other review site shd not be taken over ly seripus..

Regarding the last block being released...not really undesired units. S9ke command good klcc view which other block may lack of . The distance to LRT is the same between the two blocks. So cant say the final block is less desireable..

If u look at all ytl sentul east and west prijects... all are far more superior location then the deep deep inside the jln sentul pasar...the vibe is different.

Location and accessibility wise... i will still prefer the first few project at sentul east.

Any restaurant in boulevard up to standard? Any good western food you can recommend? You know expats usually prefer western food right?

Close to LRT, is the pedestrian road up to maintain, safe and bright enough especially at night?

Workmanship and maintenance both also very  important..may I know how many tiers security for this prop as the reviews didn't mentioned it?

You sound like a disgruntled Fennel owner. How does it feel getting 2K rental for a >700K priced condo? Assuming you are getting any rental at all.

4 units of mine bought below 550K, all getting RM2K minimum. Very cowardly to put that last line without mentioning my name, I guess you can't say much directly to me when you are an "owner" of a ripoff condo. You must be one of the early bird suckers of Fennel? Or are you the one who thought you're getting a great deal when the developers opened their last units to dispose before prices go down further?

When I get a 1000sqft-ish unit at Capers for below 700K later this year/early next year I'll send you the S&P. See who's the idiot then. 

>"If price and rental is all that matters" - Ok so you bought the Fennel because price and rental does not matter, since it's for 'own stay'. Right?

Then you say...

"Let time be the judge."



Then why'd you buy Fennel for? If you need time to be the judge? And price and rental doesn't matter to you? You bought the unit purely for own stay and never plan to sell or rent?

Sit down son.

The question is whether how many units still available from YTL. None of the owners can do anything if YTL intends to sell at big discount to market price.

However, if just limited units and these are sold off quickly, then owners can compete subsale among themselves and not with developers.

Being prospect they will see half full some will see it as half empty glasses. I see it as opportunity for prospect to grab bargain from YTL especially it is for own stayers.

Among all the layout, dual key the highest roi...studio fully furnished unit can rent RM1400-1600, 2 rooms fully furnished unit RM2200-2400, so whole unit minimum can get RM3600 to RM4000..easy get tenant than the 1500sf unit

If you were referencing to a topic of mine in another thread, maybe it's best to SPECIFY? Not my problem when I misunderstand a badly written/incomplete post.

And if you bought it purely for own stay and prepare to be locked down in that location in the next 10 years, it's definitely not a bad buy. I mentioned this a couple of times earlier in this thread, but my point is for anyone who bought it for rental income or for appreciation in the next 5 - 8 years - bad move. That's my conclusion from what I've seen/heard about this development.

That wasn't the part which I misunderstood and you know it. Quit screwing around.

What is better??? Is this a serious question. A property which is good to stay in and at the same time has decent rental returns and has the potential to appreciate in the next 5 - 10 years. And you named a few and apparently find it very 'easy' to find these sort of properties.

And yet... you bought Fennel. Since "price and rental is not all that matters" am I right. 

And I can make all the offers I want on lowyat, since posts costs me 0. But I ain't splashing 700K for a dud condo.

You seem a bit thick. To me a good property is a place I can stay in comfortably - which means others out there would also love to stay in (for rental) or own (for purchase).

You are the one implying here that there are props for ownstay and props for rental. Which is why you bought a lousy condo for an investment, but a great one for  own stay (your words).

Titiwangsa Sentral, yes I'm familiar with that one and even looked into it. It was going for 500K back in 2011 or 2012 if not mistaken but I wasn't interested at the time because of the general outlook of the condo. But rental seems good for the price of RM500K. Congratulations for owning it.

It will be pretty difficult to actually find a worse investment at this stage when comparing to the Fennel. Why? Because of the latest developers trick of offering units below launch price few years after LAUNCH.

Can you kindly name me a time when this happened before? Someone in this thread mentioned 1997/1998....that might give you a clue why I'm so critical of this development.

Lol no I'm not wasting my time naming thousands of condos which are better out there. You might find on Mudah or iProperty, or get someone to help you.

Too many owners who actually think of themselves as "investors" in lowyat. Talk to me in 1 year when units are going off for auction from Fennel.

Never claimed to be an expert, just have more common sense than most. You want one? You named one yourself, Titiwangsa Sentral and I congratulated you for it. What's your next question?

Substance....check the occupancy rate, check the price of units today compared to launch date, check the rental returns for the units, check the basic ROI per year, that's all the substance any investor needs to say, "Ok, next." BTW, never said the Fennel is "bad", just saying it's crap timing to go in at this stage. The decline has only started.

Yeah check back in 1 year, let's see how much they're priced then. Who knows, we might become neighbours. So much fun. 

Like I said earlier...you're a bit thick. What is your definition of "ownstay" apartment? So you're saying Titiwangsa Sentral isn't good enough for you to stay in?

I don't even know why we're continuing to argue about this, I have maintained if you bought the Fennel for own stay then it's not an investment property. And if it is, it is a crap time to go in because you have to wait 10 years for decent appreciation, since price will definitely drop first and then take time to get back up. This is already a clear hint with developers hawking their last units for 'cheap' prices - because they are fully aware its only going to get cheaper down the road.

I can name many investment properties at the top of my head which is better than Fennel but you would just say "not good enough for me to stay in", so why should I bother? You can stay in your white elephant, but the moment you try and rent out or have to move out - you can start sweating because you'll find it's a pain in the ass when it comes to giving you good cashflow. Since you're happy with the liability you have (own stay), well then good for you. 

As for your last paragraph.....who says I intend to buy new developments/new launches? Hell no, I only deal with owner of subsale or I stay out. Developers are out for your cash and their No.1 mandate is to transfer all the risk and costs over to the new owner to ensure profitability from their efforts in going through all the red tape and getting the building constructed. Owners are only looking for 'profit' or maybe even just breakeven if they're in a tough situation.

Many owners have bought properties they can't afford in the past year, and we'll start seeing the reality this year and next. Let's see where Fennels price is end of this year (bank interest rate is also dropping). If you spot any auction boards at your floor drop me a PM.

Hi, chk out latest remarks & comments by "PROPCAFE™ 360 degree View: The Fennels @ Sentul East" !?

especially the Negative parts !

- "sky deck is quite bare. "
- "One of the blocks will have one side facing KL city skyline. However there is no wow factor as the view is partially blocked by The Capers."
- "Unit Selection is very important as it will determine how much monies spent on the unproductive space such as large foyer"
    For example for dual keys despite the built up is >1500sqft, the foyer is easily 200-300sqft taking up the valuable space (and money as well).
- "However the main concern is the living, dining and pantry area which is quite small. - for the 3 bedrooms, 1186sqft type layout" ;
    - "The wet kitchen is dark and crampy"

- "the dusty and rusty railing along the corridor"
- "This is the access door leading to facilities deck. Looks like a loading bay area" ....etc..
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- "This is the access door leading to facilities deck. Looks like a loading bay area"

In PROPCAFE’s opinion the the facilities deck is the most impressive of The Fennels. Two olympic length infinity pools, 5 star management office,   chilling lounge, decent gym size for 900 plus units and pockets of space for residents.

actually build up is around 1000sqft. the kitchen will make you cry.....

There tends to be a demand for bigger rooms and more bathrooms in most condos these days, therefore kitchens tend to become smaller especially in smaller built up units.

Supposedly it has something to do with developers surveyed that smaller units tend to be purchased by investors who prioritise bedroom space over kitchen space and larger bedrooms are easier to rent out. Bigger units will have better sized kitchens as supposedly those who buy them are owners who buys for own stay thus they will need bigger kitchens but could tolerate smaller rooms?

I don't like small built ups with too many rooms, find that after they been rented out at the end of tenancy there are too much wear and tear on them.

Very nice design. 

Nice reno! Dream house for many ppl!

Nice reno!

Looks like single person operation kitchen? Does not appear 2 can work in there at the same time.

I do like that every room is an ensuite bathroom and the master bedroom is off a generous size.

Guess you can't have everything at this price bracket.

Nice ID.

Your "small" kitchen looks functional. it has everything that you mentioned and it fulfilled the criteria of triangle design. I think the worst layout is type C. the kitchen is really small. It was the best layout for invesment last time but turn out to be the worst.

look good!!! i have a 2 bedroom unit and this is my layout. kitchen wise, comfortable for 1 person cooking.

Cozy sofa. Mind sharing where you get it?

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Alot indian tenant and other foreigner tenent moving in here orealdi.
Those who buy ownstay, good for u, vut for investor,

Owner buy so expensive but market soft, expect to bleed at least 50% which is more than 1k for this.

Hahhaha those ads are all dreamers.....owners who are still in fantasy land. Good luck getting those rented out. Agents told me the range for 1186/12xx sqft is 2300-2700 and showed me 2 units back in May for rental/purchase. Both owners open for rental OR sale. Tells you something doesn't it. 1 was empty for 2 months, the furnishing was nice and move in suitcase condition. Asking RM2400. Another was minimum furnishings which developer had installed, asking RM2200.

Showing these 3 ads asking for unrealistic prices doesn't fool anyone, sorry.

Agents will advertise what the owner expects/wants. And advertisements on mudah/iprop do not cost much if anything at all - iprop agents share licenses and senior negotiators get free licenses from the agencies. So don't worry about them spending on these ads. And dont forget if the ad is up, it means it's still waiting for tenants. I can put my 500k property up in mudah now for 1mill, doesn't mean that is the market price. 

Owners in your group have leased which units for 3-3.5k? All very vague. 1 unit? 2 units?

My point is the average market price which was said to my face by few agents who specialize in the area is 2200 - 2700. You are an owner who is trying to comfort himself by imagining a much higher rental rate - even though you are staying in your unit. Why do you care about rental rate if you told me before that it is for "own stay"? Even if rental rate is 1k per month it shouldn't affect you right?

Funny you have to post some misleading ads to others here when that isn't even the market rate of the condo. You trying to lie to yourself or others? Pick one lol