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Investment THE FENNEL @ SENTUL EAST by YTL (V2), Sentul East KL

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post Aug 4 2019, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(BeastB @ Aug 4 2019, 10:32 AM)
biggrin.gif  Take the time to just read your own post before hitting 'post'. The level of insecurity here is so obvious, it's actually funny. Trash talking on lowyat property forum at 2.43am? I guess that's the best thing to do at Sentul on a Saturday night....lol

I'll stop here and save you pain... I actually feel a bit sorry for you now. Ok Fennel is the BEST INVESTMENT EVER, everyone should buy now.
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Bwahaha, if you must know, I went out and had drinks with friends at TTDI on a Saturday night..like most people?lol

All it takes is 2 minutes to shut down someone of your level.

I guess it's tough to get out when you're far from KL lol.

My insecurity or your inferiority complex? Your lame excuses and ignorance the past 6 months, always amuses me..at least other trolls know when they're out of their depth.
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Aug 4 2019, 12:43 PM)
bro

there are facts and there are opinions.

opinions no one can ascertain that you are right or wrong, just preferences. you can say Sentul is better than MK DPC whatever you want, its just your opinion.

fact is where info can verify. don't make yourself a fool by saying subang prices are lower than Sentul. You got no where to hide the lack of property knowledge already.
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Perhaps you should read back what I wrote again. Feel free to verify again and again.

I've never mentioned anything about Subang prices at all as I'm never interested in properties in that area. Fact is the distance from Subang to KL is further, when compared with Sentul.

Too busy posting until you forgot to read? Like how you claim I chose the best of Sentul East VS Kiara 3/5 props, when I used Tamarind for comparison?



QUOTE(BeastB @ Aug 4 2019, 04:34 PM)
Shut down? the only person who's got shut down is you - the fact that you are so aggressive and defensive about this condo just shows you know you got ROBBED son! And trying hard to justify it.

And your level is clear to see...buying an overpriced project at the height of the property bull market and now crying inside while trying to put on a tough face. Give it a rest.  biggrin.gif

And no I don't need to go to KL, Subang has plenty of decent malls and hang out places so I don't even need to get out of my neighbourhood. But yeah you would need to escape the slum area you're in to get to KL, fully understand the situation.sin
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The only person complaining about price of Fennel is you again, not owners like myself. So why is a non owner that's not staying in KL harping on the price of Fennel for half a year?

Of course, you must feel that I'm aggressive when I call you out on your multiple stupid mistakes related to the Fennel & Capers. Now that I think back over the past 6 months, it's all becoming much clearer lol. You're just clueless.

No wonder you haven't bought any props for more than 10 years and had to resort to this forum for suggestions.

Well if you're happy with those neighborhood malls in Subang, then it's your choice. Based on the properties you admit you own, not surprising really lol.

I don't need to get to KL, cause I'm actually in KL. LOL!



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post Aug 5 2019, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(BeastB @ Aug 5 2019, 10:18 AM)
>"Subang is like Timbuktu"
>"I stay in Sentul but actually I'm in KL!"
>"Owners are not complaining about their investment, so it's a good investment!"

You're a joke mate.
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Haha..well, Timbuktu might be a bit oldschool. Perhaps Wakanda would be better, based Subang Jaya's "African experience".

Unlike Subang, The Fennel is like 5ishkm from KLCC, with KL address, and assessment is paid to DBKL. There's even a DBKL office facing Fennel's back entrance/exit, across the street. Hence, in KL. Not that difficult to comprehend.

Whether The Fennel is a good investment is for owners to decide, not by some random online non-owner bitching about it with hyperboles, for 6 months and counting.

Probably just triggered by me lol.. rclxs0.gif
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post Aug 6 2019, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(BeastB @ Aug 6 2019, 08:29 AM)
Wow.....so many perks! But overpriced by 100-150K, let's ignore that bit.

Let's also ignore the bit where developers released units CHEAPER than LAUNCH price after property completion....because great products only become cheaper over time since demand cannot match supply.... LOL

You think your building developer is stupid?

Basic economics are tough to comprehend for some. You stick to your drinks in TTDI son.
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Well if u did bother to google, prices started from 600ishk+ with DIBS..but keep on bitching lol.. rclxms.gif

Do some maths before you talk economics lol.

Probably repeated that several times already.. and I'm a 1st phase owner.


QUOTE(adhoc @ Aug 6 2019, 09:59 AM)
Oh my Subang Jaya wakanda? then sentul must be Mumbai curry experience
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I actually agree lol. Not a fan of old Sentul but Sentul East & West is a different story. Different demographics too. Like Segambut to Mont Kiara.

QUOTE(Hammer278 @ Aug 6 2019, 06:40 PM)
Bro... You say Subang Jaya is a bad area and you buy in Sentul? Are you foreigner..?
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Did I say Subang Jaya was bad? You don't like Africans there? Don't worry, police are raiding them as reported in the papers!

Stayed in KL since birth less than 5km from The Fennel. Never paid toll or took longer than 30 mins to work in the city..

Not hard to understand why someone who lives so close, don't prefer Subang.

Did I hit a sensitive spot?lol

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QUOTE(BeastB @ Aug 7 2019, 09:03 AM)
More goreng goreng arguments.....you've been called out.

>"Subang is Timbuktu, no WAIT its Wakanda, no WAIT I didn't say its bad just said lots of black people"

Stop typing already... you're cringeworthy.
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Hahaha, whats there to goreng in the first place?

Not like I'm going to change your mind, nor you're going to change mine about the Fennel.

Timbuktu, Wakanda, I won't stay in Subang due to distance, congestion and demographics lol..

Feel free to keep switching & trying new excuses though.

6% only return for an investment property with a history of maintenance issues and high number of African tenants lol..Guess your mind will be blown by 7+% return investment properties that's barely 5 years old lol.



QUOTE(Hammer278 @ Aug 7 2019, 08:33 PM)
No bro no sensitive spot... its ok to not prefer a place but if you say Sentul (any part of Sentul) is actually better than Subang which is a very mature township already... it just show you are not very familiar with the area probably. Like you say you are born near KL since birth so maybe you never come to Subang side and stay in KL city your whole life? smile.gif
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Where is better for staying is a matter of preference, no?

No one is going to move further from town unless they're forced to and you can't get more matured than KL itself.

I haven't stayed in Subang, you haven't stayed in Sentul East & West/KL. Things are changing fast especially with MRT2 underway. Hell, I myself thought Sunway Putra Mall, that's 2km-ish from The Fennel, was a dead mall until recently.

Honestly not targeting Subang itself, rather, a troll that's been polluting this thread for 6 months+, with old rundown Subang investment properties, that's so proud of his measly 6% returns. laugh.gif


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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Aug 8 2019, 08:38 AM)

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The next one to start soon right next to the Fennel.

Just another small niche office block like d6 & d7.

As with other office developments, a tough sell unless YTL reveals something unique to pull in office tenants.

QUOTE(BeastB @ Aug 8 2019, 08:59 AM)
Distance I understand, congestion? Right....no congestion or jam in KL/Sentul I bet.....you can lie down on the roads without fear.

Demographics?? Coming from a guy staying in Sentul. LOL

6% isn't something great which is why that condo is the only one I keep an eye on since its in trouble. I admit its the worst performing property I have which is why I'm even in the owners whatsapp group. I wouldn't think about wasting my time in any whatsapp groups for the other units I have.

How much are you earning on your Sentul unit again? Oh right....0%. Bought overpriced, blew another amount of money renovating a white elephant, staying in a white elephant which is on its way down in value.

Rookie.
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Doesn't take a genius to understand that your travel time to KL during peak hours, is going to be much higher from Subang, when compared to Sentul, even when one opt to use tolls. Even without taking population density into account.

Well, based on your previous laughable research skills and election prediction, I'm not surprised that you don't know the demographics of Sentul East & West.

At 2k+ monthly repayments for my unit, I can easily get positive cashflow if it wasn't for own stay. Luckily enough, my repayments are covered by rental income from other investment properties.

Nonetheless, you already form your own judgement based on imaginary numbers.

Even if you're squatting at your parent's home, there's going to be opportunity costs involved wherever you stay.

Unless you're sleeping on the streets for free lol.

Well, back to childish hyperboles.

Maintenance issues seems to be the common theme of your shit properties. I guess you get what you pay for lol..

Anything above 500k is probably stretching your shoestring budget.

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QUOTE(johnrck99 @ Aug 9 2019, 08:11 AM)
D5 launching soon.

Link bridge between D5 to existing D67.
Fennel will have direct connection to D5.

As briefed by the Developer- this time around the emphasis is on F&B.
6 pods
Retail: 22 units (Level Ground)
Offices: 342 units (Level 1 to Level 9)
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Good idea to focus on F & B.

It was in the master plan to connect all residences and commercial via link bridges to LRT/KTM, except it's going to be a challenge to connect to Tamarind & Saffron, based on what I heard.


QUOTE(Hammer278 @ Aug 9 2019, 09:24 AM)
biggrin.gif Nevermind la bro... waste time fighting in this thread for what. Just move on.
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hahaha he can't..he would have he wanted to earlier. Its been 6 months and counting since his first post.

From worst layout ever, low rentals, below developer prices, and yet he "thought" of purchasing the Fennel for investment after VP. Hypocrisy is off the limits.

He's still waiting for the price to drop to his budget, which is why he's still here lol..

Nonetheless, a good way to keep this topic on the front page.

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QUOTE(Hammer278 @ Aug 9 2019, 01:54 PM)
I read through this thread few day ago, he never said worst layout, just blame kitchen area. And he also said few times, the condo is not bad but overpriced because of the market. I think you just have difficulty understanding basic concepts.  notworthy.gif
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bwahaha respect your dedication. Perhaps I interpreted it differently when he wrote 10 year + condos have better layout. Yet offer no examples to date.

You do realized there's a bit of flip flop when he said it's not bad yet call it "white elephant"

There's really no added value to the argument other than emotional hyperboles.

Would you continuously criticise a property that you don't own for half a year online? I bet most people don't and just move on.

Even told him he should look elsewhere since it should be easy to find better properties in this "soft" market.

Unfortunately he can't and still continues to troll this topic rclxs0.gif

QUOTE(heavensea @ Aug 9 2019, 02:12 PM)
The price psf was around 550++?
For the end product, is it really that overpriced?
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It starts from around there plus DIBS for first phase lower floors, Block A & D.

Could be lower Block A since it was open to YTL VIPs & repeat buyers first.

Type A & C has roughly the same built up but different price psf. Type C is noticeably lower due to less rooms, but with Genting/KLCC & Capers View, rather than facing the next block.

1200sqft is a considered "big" now when most developers are launching at 8-900 sqft with 3 bedrooms, RUMAWIP style.

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QUOTE(DesRed @ Aug 9 2019, 03:35 PM)
From what I recall of looking at fully residential condos/serviced residences that are connected to a public transport, the most a developer will do is to build a covered walkway from outside of the project starting from the guardhouse towards it. It'll be a security breach if the bridge can connect directly into the project itself, unless the bottom portion are commercial spaces in the case of serviced residences.

So either the steps of the bridges should be right at the guardhouse of both Tamarind and Saffron or covered walkways extending from both projects' guardhouse lead to the stairs of the linked bridge. hmm.gif
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Covered walkway up to the front of Tamarind & Saffron makes sense as it doesn't require the consent from JMBs..Another uncertainty is who is going to maintain the link bridges.

Capers looks to have a link bridge to d6 away from the main road, but i'm not sure how security there is managed.

Just noticed that YTL updated their masterplan on their website.

Old masterplan:

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New masterplan:

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IMO, the longer it takes, the less likely we're going to see all development at Sentul East connected via linkbridges.
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QUOTE(adhoc @ Aug 9 2019, 06:58 PM)
btw, do you have any idea what ytl are planning on the land adjacent to the MRT station?
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No idea honestly..no point speculating unless it's launching soon rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(Hammer278 @ Aug 14 2019, 05:01 PM)
From my understanding I think he means for the price it is not a good investment in this current market. White elephant can become a useful elephant down the road, no? If you ask me I would be scared to buy this development now as well since price is dropping everywhere.
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As mentioned by others earlier, is the current price overpriced or even dropped under initial launch prices, when it was launched at under 600 psf? New developments nearby since last year, launched at higher psf at smaller sizes and arguably inferior locations less than 5km away. Let's not forget DIBs for the Fennel as well.

Just before the last EGM last month, The Fennel is 95%+ sold and no one is going to buy the recent units if they thought prices will drop further.

White elephant is a personal expression backed by 0 facts or data.

Let's be honest, you're not familiar with Sentul East & West as well...

If I asked you, what development have you last bought and the last project you thought was a good buy? I wonder..

Different products cater to different people at different price ranges..Not that hard to understand.

If the Fennel is not for you, don't be a bitch for months and move on. wink.gif




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QUOTE(Hammer278 @ Aug 15 2019, 08:52 AM)
He's right... you are so defensive.  doh.gif I didn't even say anything negative about this development and you have to use this sort of language. sigh
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lol..it wasn't even directed at u. why would i direct it at you when I wasn't debating this with you for months? Weird.. doh.gif

QUOTE(gks @ Aug 15 2019, 03:33 PM)
BC... I remember the booking fee for Fennels are not shabby either... If not wrong rm30k...

Developer can sold off the units... They have done a good job.. Whether the buyers can make money 3-4years down the road, it depends on the market demand - supply and condition at that time...

In my book, Ppsb has done excellent job... But those buyers who aim for hefty capital gain... Do not be so quick to pop the champagne bottle first.
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For the Fennel, yes it was 30k booking and the first 10% of the discounted selling price upon SPA signing. A lot higher than the 1k booking fees these days and heavy discounts upfront.

Not much to gain from DPC condos really, if any. Interesting times for DPC very soon.. drool.gif

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QUOTE(Hammer278 @ Aug 16 2019, 02:43 PM)
Because you reply to my post and you said this:

Let's be honest, you're not familiar with Sentul East & West as well...

If I asked you, what development have you last bought and the last project you thought was a good buy? I wonder..

Different products cater to different people at different price ranges..Not that hard to understand.

If the Fennel is not for you, don't be a bitch for months and move on.


So all this 'you' is directed to the beast guy or to me? Maybe be more clear when making posts please. Tq
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Well u did reference to him in your post. I reckon it is quite clear since we didn't debate about the Fennel for months previously..nonetheless..it was not directed at you since I hardly engaged u in this topic anyways.. as mentioned before. wink.gif

QUOTE(brianccg @ Aug 16 2019, 02:36 PM)
Would not surprise next round awareded price is above 700K.
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The last one on a higher floor, did go way above reserve at 720k lol.. lets see how this one does..

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In addition, there's a proposal to only allow registered agents to be at the Fennel, to reduce the number of misleading ads and agents spamming owners regularly. Not sure how it's going to be implement yet though. rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(brianccg @ Aug 16 2019, 07:49 PM)
Remember the capers used to have this policy by only allow certain agents. not sure about fennel
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Not surprising since most active owners here use to own Capers or still own Capers. Their experience definitely helps with dealing with YTL before DLP expires. wink.gif
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I don't know if some people pretend to be stupid or are born stupid lol..No wonder so poor

So hilariously triggered btw rclxm9.gif

"The preview of the freehold condominium project started last Friday and by the end of the second day, all available units were fully taken up. The units are priced from RM658,000 to RM1.06 million."

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/firs...-during-preview

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QUOTE(BeastB @ Oct 4 2019, 02:12 PM)
Looks like the highly triggered owner of Fennel couldn't help chirping up.

800k is within the 658 - 1.06 range? Yes? No? My point is the ridiculous price and you don't get this simple things.

Any hand bidets in these 658k units? Yes? No?

As usual you miss the point. Stop thinking with your b@lls and engage your brain.
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Hahaha what happened to "below developer prices argument"? Dead in the water? The fact is u can't deny that Fennel was launched from 6XXk as I repeated many times previously.

The fact is u didn't know the launch prices for so long and u still have to be spoonfed by me because of your horrendous "research" skills.

Lets not forget those are gross prices and include units bigger than 1.5k sqft.

There were plenty of units launch at under 700k because unlike u I was actually there.

The last auction unit was still above launch prices as it was on the 9th floor. An owner said bumi unit, but it doesn't matter whether it is or not.

Are you seriously complaining about installing hand bidets and stickers?? Just how poor are u really lol..? A few hundred too much for u?

Nice sig, a reflection of one's character that's bitching about things he has no stake in for more than 6 months hahaha

Still a long way to go to your target price, but you're one patient and persistent fellow right since u haven't bought any property for like 10 years now?Let's not forget your own words below too.

QUOTE(BeastB @ Aug 16 2019, 02:22 PM)
When did I say bank is using lelong price as market price?  confused.gif
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Oct 4 2019, 02:26 PM)
Price stagnant for over 5 years. How much loan interest and maintenance incurred so far?
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DIBS project so no interest until VP. Subsale market is on par with most that just recently VPed, if not better lol.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Oct 4 2019, 06:37 PM)
What about loan interest after vped?
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Loan interest easily covered by rental lol.

In fact, positive cash flow is easy too with 3k+ rental.

Small world, an acquaintance just moved in this month for 3.5k/ month.

Then again, some people just won't believe it lol.

IDs still finding plenty of work here

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QUOTE(BeastB @ Oct 5 2019, 01:44 PM)
Arguing with you reminds me of the time I visited a mental disorder institution and spoke to a nice fella there, I talk about numbers, he talks about letters, I talk about weather, he talks about skyscrapers. But he was a nice guy who I had a pleasant time with. Difference is, with you I rather just talk to a wall lol.

I don't know what's your point here, but you still didn't get mine. The price I quoted is in the range of this condo so what is so difficult to understand?

Yeah units were launched below 700k back in 2013, what's the prices now? How much profit do you get if you SELL your unit today? Whats your sqft? No need to tell me selling price, just tell me sqft price because all you do is lie and exaggerate about this condo - since you are biased. I'm not, since I'm not an owner here.

You can continue accusing me of being 'poor', only a poor man will find the need to call others poor to make oneself feel good. biggrin.gif

Fact is when I make an investment, I also care about opportunity cost. You put your money down years ago, you have been paying maintenance, interest, all your ID furniture, any tenants? I think not, so in your case it is all outflow....and now when you sell your condo you will be back at square one.

Meanwhile I will only buy when no one is buying. Which means every 10 years like you said, because I time the market when it comes to property because of what I mentioned earlier, opportunity cost. Someone simple like you only has the capacity to point fingers at others and call them poor while you throw away money without even knowing it. smile.gif

I'm sure we'll 'meet' again next year, let's see what prices are then. If you really have the b@lls, you can share your S&P here showing sqft and purchase price. But it's not an obligation of course, just a chance to put your money where your mouth is. This way we can track if investors of this condo who bought in early = WINNERS/LOSERS.

Have a good weekend son.
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hahaha i guess that's the end of u again till the next time? Let the clock keep ticking..

You don't get to pick and choose the base price at 800k to support your argument when clearly, units were launched FROM 6XXk+ during the initial launch.

The fact is this was launch with DIBS and there was 0 holding cost apart from the initial downpayment. Unless of course you don't understand what DIBS means, which wouldn't be surprising since u only do subsale and believe all developers are out to con your $$$. Didn't much attention from your topic about that did you?

Subsale prices are easily above SPA prices, but you're not going to believe me anyways lol. Go believe your "specialist" agents that you only met several times.

Your so called arguments are getting more nonsensical as time passes.. "Sentul not in KL" " OMG 0% returns from your own home"" What no bidets???"

But hey, at least I collect rents, not pay them lol.. whistling.gif

No one asked about your investment strategies, but if you can't even get basic info about big ticket items you intend to invest in right, then you're not very competent lol. Perhaps you can attempt to get a seat on the table when you're able to buy properties without a mortgage lol.

Fact is you're more active posting misinformed shit about the Fennel, than owners like myself on this topic. Somehow you're unable to move on hahahaha. I get a chuckle at your sorry attempts to bump this thread.

For you to buy The Fennel at any time would be completely hypocritical since you spent months talking shit about it.

The Fennel needs more quality owners, especially active own stayers, to increase it's value. Not investors on shoestring budgets that will let anyone in, willing to pay whatever rent.

Like hell I'm going to share my personal information with someone spends extended periods bitching about other people's properties on Lowyat, than be productive in their own life in the real world lol.. rolleyes.gif


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QUOTE(BeastB @ Oct 7 2019, 09:54 AM)
Another block of defensive BS. let me ask you, if I were so clueless and talking rubbish, why are you wasting your time responding to every post of mine so diligently?

Easy answer, you're triggered because I make sense in my posts. All you can do is retort with "poor man" "Subang Jaya is Timbuktu" just because you saw a post of mine discussing about my property in Subang and more insults.

I give constructive feedback on Fennel, and I'm not alone here thinking owners got ripped off by the developer. You respond by insulting me with 6th grade insults.

Pathetic.
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I responded only to you because you quoted me and you're spreading misinformation about the Fennel.

Like I said I could care less, if u didn't quote me which is why you have a lot more posts than I have on this topic lol. Somehow you felt compelled to bump this topic too.

There is zero constructive feedback call a project white elephant when it clearly isn't.

Bad Layout?Subjective. Low Rental? Hell No. Below Developer Price? No again.

What constructive suggestions did u provide to improve all the above the past few months? Absolutely Nothing

Instead, you spend more time looking for stale memes to post here.

You got triggered when I started digging into your post history and brought out your shit investment properties at Subang Jaya with a history of poor maintenance, high number of African tenants(hence, Timbuktu/Wakanda lol), currently going for less than 500 psf and under 500k each unit, commanding less than 2k rental fully furnished AND POSSIBLY lost like 100k paper profits from ATH. No wonder you tried to offload them the moment you could.

Somehow you felt qualified to give "constructive feedback" for a project way above your "pay grade"

That sig is just the icing on the cake lol.

What else could it be?

Unless you're some antisocial nerd with a weird agenda to criticize a project you don't own for so many months.

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QUOTE(BeastB @ Oct 7 2019, 02:12 PM)
Another bunch of defensive BS all over again. Bolded your 'big talk' to help your anger. biggrin.gif

You're the biggest clown I've come across this section, I almost feel bad triggering you with facts so much you are obsessed about replying to me.

Still can't answer my basic question....if you sell your property TODAY, what's your profit? And yeah, nice excuse you can't post your S&P, why not? Blur out your name/personal details, problem solved no? But you won't because you know you're stuck in a hole.  thumbsup.gif

You actually took time and went through my post history to try and insult me. I'm flattered. 

Keep crying son.  cry.gif
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Hahaha back to me showing my SPA..why the hell would I cater to your demand when we don't even get along? Why the hell would I listen to you in the first place lol when there's nothing in it for me.

I can't answer your "basic" question when you can't even answer any of my questions since day one?LOL

0 examples and data since I first engage you. So much for constructive feedback lol

Oh now I'm the triggered one?LOL..guess who started using "triggered" here lol?

As mentioned previous, I'm glad I had a donkey like you to bump this topic. Good or Bad.. Free Advertising.

What's next I wonder..maybe create a topic on how intellectually bullied you are on LYN?





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