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post Sep 19 2010, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Sep 18 2010, 10:48 PM)
Last week, on TheStar, there`s this article on Insurance loopholes

According to the Insurance officer, "disclose your risk, your sickness, your symtoms, let us share the risk with you"

sounds good right? think again...

My brother in law whom suffered accident with steel implanted within the leg bone was rejected by ALMOST all insurance company. Since they share same database with hospitals and all the insurance company. THe agents said they willl insure everything but the leg. doh.gif

buying insurance? ask properly what is not covered and being calculative and skeptical is more beneficial to you.
source: http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...8556&sec=nation


Added on September 18, 2010, 10:54 pm
this is the dilemma that lesser mortals felt..

I have only one piece of land. What should I do?

a) if I keep the cows, I`ll have beef and milk, but beef after few years;
b) if I keep chicken, I`ll have meat as well as eggs, (lesser time with lesser meat)
c) and so on...

same goes to insurance...

IF I were left 2k after expenses and I ahve saving, investment and insurance in mind.. which should I go for? being invested and not insured? being insured and not invested?  hmm.gif

which yield more fruits?
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Haha..ya right! AGREED!!

When we have little money to spare...and with so many NEEDFUL things to do....is a tough choice.



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post Sep 19 2010, 10:09 AM

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Bogus. I cannot buy PA anymore cos I work at 'high-risk' areas. Aren't insurance suppose to protect?
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post Sep 19 2010, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(kaiserwulf @ Sep 19 2010, 11:09 AM)
Bogus. I cannot buy PA anymore cos I work at 'high-risk' areas. Aren't insurance suppose to protect?
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read my story regarding my brother in law.. this is what I learned...

They will protect you kaw kaw IF your background is SAFE....

say, IF you travel on flight 6 times a week and you want to buy life insurance on flight compared to a person whom fly less than 3 times a year.

the insurance will insure who more? you or the latter dude?

you travel 6 times a week, that makes your probability on risk as 6/7. That is more than 90%

so, do you see the light now? smile.gif

I mean, I buy insurance cause I know my risk is high and want to be insured, but they refuse to insure me due to my high risk.


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QUOTE(amalthea @ Sep 18 2010, 04:59 PM)
check out this insurance plan that has very high sum insured with very low premium

RM 1,000,000 for only RM 9xx per year
and according to the agent it is a normal accident policy not a limited one
and has all the % payout based on the injury as per other AIA PA plans

do you guys thing it is a good deal

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PA premium is always low, as you only get compensated if anything happen due to accident.

Other than that, PA scope doesn't cover, including die due to sickness etc.
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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Sep 18 2010, 10:48 PM)
My brother in law whom suffered accident with steel implanted within the leg bone was rejected by ALMOST all insurance company. Since they share same database with hospitals and all the insurance company. THe agents said they willl insure everything but the leg. doh.gif
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Can anyone confirm that all the insurance companies share one database?
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post Sep 19 2010, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(Veda @ Sep 19 2010, 12:32 PM)
Can anyone confirm that all the insurance companies share one database?
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this was being told by the insurance agents...

else how do they know that you are high risk and last year and you try to apply for another company which suprisingly get the info faster than you blink your eye?

sorry... I meant share info... not as in using one server..

This post has been edited by Awakened_Angel: Sep 19 2010, 11:38 AM
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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Sep 19 2010, 11:36 AM)
this was being told by the insurance agents...

else how do they know that you are high risk and last year and you try to apply for another company which suprisingly get the info faster than you blink your eye?
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All the insurance proposal forms requires you to disclose whether your previous applications to other insurance companies was rejected, accepted with special conditions, etc.

The forms usually also require you to disclose the surgeries and hospitalisation that you underwent.

From what I know, the insurance companies have investigators that will spring into action when you file claims. And of course, they usually can get access to your medical records.

But I'm not sure if the insurance companies share one database.
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Anyone know tune money insurance PA?

What mean by Medical Expenses * ???

https://www.tunemoney.com/web/guest/pa-get-...s&insuranceId=2

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post Sep 19 2010, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Sep 18 2010, 10:48 PM)
Last week, on TheStar, there`s this article on Insurance loopholes

According to the Insurance officer, "disclose your risk, your sickness, your symtoms, let us share the risk with you"

sounds good right? think again...

My brother in law whom suffered accident with steel implanted within the leg bone was rejected by ALMOST all insurance company. Since they share same database with hospitals and all the insurance company. THe agents said they willl insure everything but the leg. doh.gif

buying insurance? ask properly what is not covered and being calculative and skeptical is more beneficial to you.
source: http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...8556&sec=nation


Added on September 18, 2010, 10:54 pm
this is the dilemma that lesser mortals felt..

I have only one piece of land. What should I do?

a) if I keep the cows, I`ll have beef and milk, but beef after few years;
b) if I keep chicken, I`ll have meat as well as eggs, (lesser time with lesser meat)
c) and so on...

same goes to insurance...

IF I were left 2k after expenses and I ahve saving, investment and insurance in mind.. which should I go for? being invested and not insured? being insured and not invested?  hmm.gif

which yield more fruits?
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Come on brother, insurance company sure is calculative. They need profit as well. Insurance company insure with a concept of law of large number. That's why purchase at early stage is cheaper and could protect from risk. If you got your report that you get cancer then you use RM500 buy a policy which paid you RM500k loh. Then they will no insurance company and everybody will hope for cancer.

Will you open a company and give everybody free money and in the end bankruptcy?

To invest/saving, you need a basic protection to avoid risk to cost all your saving/investment just to cure/help your own well being.

To be honest, all insurance company is almost same due to they govern under Bank Negara rules and regulations. Just plus minus in certain issue.

It's confirm all insurance share a same database, it's same like bank which they share a database for banlist and so on.

This post has been edited by WingDeSole: Sep 19 2010, 02:54 PM
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QUOTE(WingDeSole @ Sep 19 2010, 02:53 PM)
It's confirm all insurance share a same database, it's same like bank which they share a database for banlist and so on.
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Interesting. I wonder what kind of info about an insured person is on that database hmm.gif
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post Sep 19 2010, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Sep 19 2010, 11:12 AM)
read my story regarding my brother in law.. this is what I learned...

They will protect you kaw kaw IF your background is SAFE....

say, IF you travel on flight 6 times a week and you want to buy life insurance on flight compared to a person whom fly less than 3 times a year.

the insurance will insure who more? you or the latter dude?

you travel 6 times a week, that makes your probability on risk as 6/7. That is more than 90%

so, do you see the light now?  smile.gif

I mean, I buy insurance cause I know my risk is high and want to be insured, but they refuse to insure me due to my high risk.
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Brother, It's a risk that cost your premium higher. Same as your theory high risk high return.

So the company cover your risk which is higher than normal person so if you pay more than a normal person do you think it's reasonable?

Agree?


Added on September 19, 2010, 2:58 pm
QUOTE(Veda @ Sep 19 2010, 02:56 PM)
Interesting. I wonder what kind of info about an insured person is on that database  hmm.gif
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Normally is their health record, insurance claim and so on

This post has been edited by WingDeSole: Sep 19 2010, 02:58 PM
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post Sep 19 2010, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(Veda @ Sep 19 2010, 03:56 PM)
Interesting. I wonder what kind of info about an insured person is on that database  hmm.gif
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almost everything. can you imagine how the world could be if all the database is merge into one system.

Education results, your blogs, your medical? etc
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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Sep 19 2010, 02:59 PM)
almost everything. can you imagine how the world could be if all the database is merge into one system.

Education results, your blogs, your medical? etc
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Could you please stop provide wrong information to mislead others?

Don't keep over doing thing
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QUOTE(WingDeSole @ Sep 19 2010, 03:57 PM)
Brother, It's a risk that cost your premium higher. Same as your theory high risk high return.

So the company cover your risk which is higher than normal person so if you pay more than a normal person do you think it's reasonable?

Agree?

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I agree... I knew this... jsut that, I cant get over my self with the RATE/RATIO
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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Sep 19 2010, 03:03 PM)
I agree... I knew this... jsut that, I cant get over my self with the RATE/RATIO
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I hope you understand and accept the facts.

There is few thing that you can't win over but you need them as well.

One of them is insurance and other I can't mention about it
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post Sep 19 2010, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(WingDeSole @ Sep 19 2010, 04:06 PM)

One of them is insurance and other I can't mention about it
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try... I dono who you are anyway.. unless LYN management care to share your IP with insurance com tongue.gif

My guts tell me that you are an insurance agent right?
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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Sep 19 2010, 03:08 PM)
try... I dono who you are anyway.. unless LYN management care to share your IP with insurance com tongue.gif

My guts tell me that you are an insurance agent right?
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Yes am I,

I had nothing to afraid of to disclose.

As long as provide right and truth information what to be afraid?

In the eyes of many maybe thinking that most insurance agent will come n lie u all this n that

Undeniable there is a lot unethical agent in this market but not all.

As you can see I have seen a more sad and anger case compare with your brother in law.

It's a mother of my friends, the agent told her to buy an insurance but not really explain or find out what her need is.

Just propose her a saving plan, then few years later she got an cancer.

Is there any sum assured will be paid?

The answer is no because in saving plan only cover death and permanent disability. Yet there is no waiver adding.

Can't work, need to pay for the medical expenses, pay for insurance.

I became an insurance agent after that incident.

It's might sound unbelievable but I hope I could provide a correct information so everybody could purchase a right insurance for them self rather than blaming others but end up suffering as well.

Personally I seldom done life insurance unless there is need or friend/relative request. Most people already had life insurance nowadays

I'm more into Mortgage Insurance.

This post has been edited by WingDeSole: Sep 19 2010, 03:17 PM
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post Sep 19 2010, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(WingDeSole @ Sep 19 2010, 04:16 PM)
Yes am I,

I had nothing to afraid of to disclose.

As long as provide right and truth information what to be afraid?

In the eyes of many maybe thinking that most insurance agent will come n lie u all this n that

Undeniable there is a lot unethical agent in this market but not all.

As you can see I have seen a more sad and anger case compare with your brother in law.


talk about my mother`s case whom purchase insurance with a RELATIVE that claim she can FULLY(which mean 100%) withdraw money after 21 years which mean when I am 21. then during that year, I went to AIA office and try to redeem the money. guess what? they say you didnt read meh?(how am I suppose to read when I was an infact doh.gif) it says you can withdraw as early as 21 years, but if you withdraw now, you can withdraw less than 50% only,

i asked her, when can I fully withdraw? when i am 100 years old doh.gif


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It's a mother of my friends, the agent told her to buy an insurance but not really explain or find out what her need is.

Just propose her a saving plan, then few years later she got an cancer.

Is there any sum assured will be paid?

The answer is no because in saving plan only cover death and permanent disability. Yet there is no waiver adding.

Can't work, need to pay for the medical expenses, pay for insurance.

I became an insurance agent after that incident.

It's might sound unbelievable but  I hope I could provide a correct information so everybody could purchase a right insurance for them self rather than blaming others but end up suffering as well.

Personally I seldom done life insurance unless there is need or friend/relative request. Most people already had life insurance nowadays

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I see. I purchase insurance (life and medical) from an old agent(whom is more responsible compared to young ones whom aim to earn)

I know the designed system is to "help" people while making a profit. but some agents or officials ruin it. Let me shared to you another story of my friend

Her dad died from an accident. And according to papers, he is able to get 100k compensation. But in the end, the mother obtain less than 50k. Why? according to the company, the dad`s age limit has reach retirement age and has less responsbility & commitement

my friend`s mom only receive the sum after 10 long years

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I'm more into Mortgage Insurance.


mind sharing? smile.gif i am not familiar with insurance as agents get irritated when I asked too many questions especially my friends who are agents. plus their web do not contain detailed info

This post has been edited by Awakened_Angel: Sep 19 2010, 03:35 PM
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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Sep 19 2010, 03:32 PM)
talk about my mother`s case whom purchase insurance with a RELATIVE that claim she can FULLY(which mean 100%) withdraw money after 21 years which mean when I am 21. then during that year, I went to AIA office and try to redeem the money. guess what? they say you didnt read meh? it says you can withdraw as early as 21 years, but if you withdraw now, you can withdraw less than 50% only,

i asked her, when can I fully withdraw? when i am 100 years old doh.gif
I see. I purchase insurance (life and medical) from an old agent(whom is more responsible compared to young ones whom aim to earn)

I know the designed system is to "help" people while making a profit. but some agents or officials ruin it. Let me shared to you another story of my friend

Her dad died from an accident. And according to papers, he is able to get 100k compensation. But in the end, the mother obtain less than 50k. Why? according to the company, the dad`s age limit has reach retirement age and has less responsbility & commitement

my friend`s mom only receive the sum after 10 long years
mind sharing? smile.gif i am not familiar with insurance as agents get irritated when I asked too many questions especially my friends who are agents. plus their web do not contain detailed info
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I'm agree with those people that ruin that main purpose. Nowadays all those young agent only know few aspect about insurance and only know about few product. However I'm a young agent as well to be honest.

That's purchasing an insurance is a important to our life. It's a one paper that might help or ruin our life in critical moments.

I'm not sure when all your case is happening but as I know insurance policy before year 1997 is not that advance because before that time Bank Negara not really put their hand to govern all this company so there is flexible range of changes and loop hole .

Mortgage Insurance is name by public as MRTA and MLTA

It's a insurance to protect the loan that you acquired to purchase a property.

Did everybody see a long bank auction everywhere nowadays, It's because the person failed to payback the loan due to financial problem.

Most financial problems start in a family is their bread winner death or get any serious illness.

In common situation, most of the time is father earn more than mother ,agree?

So they normally purchase houses base on father income.

If there is any death/critical illness occurred with the father or person insured. The Mortgage Insurance will help to paid off the loan and might have extra for them in most of the case.

It will be very sad if a person sick to lost their home or a widow and a child to lost their home. So as advise please bear in mind to get a 3D Mortgage Insurance rather than to save a little money to purchase those 2D insurance because critical illness is more likely to be happen compare with death and disability.


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QUOTE(WingDeSole @ Sep 19 2010, 04:43 PM)


Mortgage Insurance is name by public as MRTA and MLTA

It's a insurance to protect the loan that you acquired to purchase a property.

Did everybody see a long bank auction everywhere nowadays, It's because the person failed to payback the loan due to financial problem.

Most financial problems start in a family is their bread winner death or get any serious illness.

In common situation, most of the time is father earn more than mother ,agree?

So they normally purchase houses base on father income.

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Ohh.. MRTA... that sounds familiar...

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If there is any death/critical illness occurred with the father or person insured. The Mortgage Insurance will help to paid off the loan and might have extra for them in most of the case.

It will be very sad if a person sick to  lost their home or a widow and a child to lost their home. So as advise please bear in mind to get a 3D Mortgage Insurance rather than to save a little money to purchase those 2D insurance because critical illness is more likely to be happen compare with death and disability.
any stipulated terms and conditions?


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