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Veda
post Aug 5 2010, 04:09 PM

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I've met a couple of insurance agents and want to share my experience.

Unlike many people, I did my research before calling an insurance firm and asking them to get an agent to contact me.

So I know precisely what plan I want and what is best for me.

Well, the two agents that I met are real jokers and a disgrace.

They tried their best to force investment linked plans down my thorat.

Auntie Agent 1 refused to show me the premium and benefits schedule for the plan that I am interested. She just want to show me the plan she wants to sell.

Auntie Agent 2 lost interest and has been avoiding my messages after I insisted on the plan that I want, not the plan that gives her the best commisson.

And both agents are old, fat, ugly...... I gave them a chance because I thought such people will make up for their physical shortcomings with better customer service. But no, their attitude are as ugly as their looks.



I've dealt with mortgage agents, real estate agents and lawyers. Compared with the insurance duo that I met, those people are angels rolleyes.gif

Veda
post Aug 7 2010, 04:21 AM

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QUOTE(PJusa @ Aug 6 2010, 08:30 AM)
Veda,

why not get the plan directly from the insurance. not sure what specific plan you're looking for but that way you can bag in the agent's comission for yourself and get what you want.
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Yup, that's what I am planning to do nod.gif

Did a search and found this thread:
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1035110

This post has been edited by Veda: Aug 7 2010, 04:22 AM
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post Aug 7 2010, 11:25 PM

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Let's say I buy an insurance policy from a bank branch. The product is from the bank's insurance sister company - like Affin Bank for Axa Affin and Hong Leong Bank for Hong Leong Assurance.

Wonder if I can ask for discount if I buy from a bank branch? hmm.gif

Another thing I'm curious about - are there any insurance agent that works directly for an insurance company, or do all agents work for agencies?
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post Aug 8 2010, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(PJusa @ Aug 8 2010, 03:46 PM)
Veda, no you wont get the discount from the bank i guess. It's their incentive to sell it to you if I'm not mistaken.
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Noted. Thanks.
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post Sep 14 2010, 05:29 PM

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I asked a financial planner to draw up a comprehensive, yet value for money, insurance plan that will last me 30 years.

She recommended I take a combination of 4 plans - 2 deductible medical/healthcare plans ( a total of RM250k annual limit, RM1.15 million lifetime coverage ) and 2 critical illnesses plans (a total of RM250k coverage).

The total premiums? Less than RM120 per month.

What do u guys think, with regards to the premium (is it too high?) and coverage (is it too much or too little?).


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post Sep 16 2010, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 14 2010, 05:46 PM)
Why do you need 2 critical illness plans and 2 medical plan in the first place?
All are emphasis on your own only. It doesn't provide protection to your dependant (I don't know what is your situation, may be you don't have dependants currently)

2400 pa commitment, you need to see your annual income level to justify as well.

Insurance sometimes it is not about value of money (whether the insurance is cheap or high coverage or not), the main criteria to look at is, do you actually need it, and priority need to be taken care of.
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It's actually RM1440 (RM120x12), still quite a big sum smile.gif

Well, the standalone critical illnesses plans that I've seen does not offer very high coverage - the highest is RM150k. By combining 2 plans I get RM250k (the important thing is I must be able to claim from both plans for the same disability), which is the amount that my financial planner recommends, considering that I don't have family to fall back on and might have difficulty finding a new job quickly if I lose the current one, since the industry I'm in is small and my skills are too specialised.

As for the 2 medical cards, one will be my main card while the back-up card serves to increase my annual limit and lifetime limit. My main card's annual limit is RM150k, which is enough to cover almost any disability at today's medical prices. The additional RM100k annual limit from the secondary card is to hedge against medical inflation, which is reportedly 10-15%.

I'm not sure I need so much coverage, but I've seen so many older friends fall ill with things like diabetes, tumours etc that I feel it's better to buy any policies that I can afford while I'm healthy.


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post Sep 17 2010, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(PJusa @ Sep 16 2010, 01:28 PM)
Veda,

combining two policies is a good idea if you ask me. but you might want to check if 250k cant be bought cheaper as a single plan (with a higher lifetime limit). the premium is based on expected loss and the higher charges are less likely which is why the cost per 1k cover goes down with a higher limit.

two CI sounds fine if you want to cover that particular risk. i think premium wise there are not too many choices anyway for standalone. later when you dont need to cover as much anymore you can easily cancel one CI and use the savings for the increasing costs of your H&S plans.
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Yes, that's what I plan to do nod.gif The premium for CI goes up drastically when a person reaches his 40s - if necessary I'll drop one of the CI plans then.


Added on September 17, 2010, 3:29 pm
QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 16 2010, 03:26 PM)
Sorry my poor math.  doh.gif

Anyway, buying insurance is something you need it now, buy a "spare" insurance is not recommended for most people especially for financial tight people.
If one has money to burn, or want to have more/extra protection, a spare insurance to fall in etc., That's fine, I have no problem with that.
Just like buying 2 cars, just in case one car breakdown. If one can afford it, no problem.  tongue.gif

Insurance, you can always buying afterwards, although it might be more expensive to buy later on (as medical premium genereally correlated with ages), but consider that, now you are burning money with duplicate medical insurance, it could be the same with buying more expensive later on. You save nothing and hedge nothing in this case.

Amount of coverage is depended on your affordability in term of financially. If you view Rm1440 pa. is a big sum to start with, then I would advise you look deep into the duplicating/doubling the insurance premium issue.  smile.gif

If life-time limit concern you, there is medical insurance come with 250K life-time coverage as well.
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Your reasoning is persuasive but ..... no insurance company will sell a person a medical card once he has suffered a major illness or injury. In fact, insurance companies are overly eager to impose premium loadings and exclusions even on relatively minor problems.

But I agree that the important thing is I must be able to pay the premiums, year after year.





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post Sep 18 2010, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 18 2010, 10:46 AM)
As I said, this is not a perfect world.
If you have extra and income the support the excessive premium due to duplicating insurance, then nothing wrong or no issue at all.
But majority people need to plan properly and allocate their financial resources carefully and appropriate.

You don't want to spend all your money into insurance, and left little for saving.
No saving, no money, you die tomorrow.
Sound a bit harsh but this is the reality.
No income time, due to you overspend on insurance previously, you left little saving, you will be struggling to pay for daily expenses. And due to no saving left, you are not able to pay the insurance premium and lead to insurance cancellation. Double blow.

As your case, you just cover yourself only. How about future you got family time.
Don't need life-insurance to protect your family?
Don't need money to raise your kids?

Just like your said, your drop CI after reach 40s,  but CI generally happens after we reached 40s.

We cannot have all. Just plan properly what you need and according to priority.
Just like you have 1 medical that guaranteed renewal. So it is basically cover the basic need already. I am not saying your don't need medical insurance, I am saying you don't need 2 medical insurance just for want to have higher life-time limit if your budget is constraint.

Life-time limit of 150K vs 250K (with 2 medical card) is less important already or secondary in priority.
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Appreciate your advice. I can't reply without revealing too much of my personal details, which I don't like to do, so I'll just say thank you.

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post Sep 19 2010, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Sep 18 2010, 10:48 PM)
My brother in law whom suffered accident with steel implanted within the leg bone was rejected by ALMOST all insurance company. Since they share same database with hospitals and all the insurance company. THe agents said they willl insure everything but the leg. doh.gif
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Can anyone confirm that all the insurance companies share one database?
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post Sep 19 2010, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Sep 19 2010, 11:36 AM)
this was being told by the insurance agents...

else how do they know that you are high risk and last year and you try to apply for another company which suprisingly get the info faster than you blink your eye?
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All the insurance proposal forms requires you to disclose whether your previous applications to other insurance companies was rejected, accepted with special conditions, etc.

The forms usually also require you to disclose the surgeries and hospitalisation that you underwent.

From what I know, the insurance companies have investigators that will spring into action when you file claims. And of course, they usually can get access to your medical records.

But I'm not sure if the insurance companies share one database.
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post Sep 19 2010, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(WingDeSole @ Sep 19 2010, 02:53 PM)
It's confirm all insurance share a same database, it's same like bank which they share a database for banlist and so on.
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Interesting. I wonder what kind of info about an insured person is on that database hmm.gif
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post Apr 17 2013, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(CuteMaestro @ Apr 15 2013, 11:20 AM)
Gender : Male&Female (asking for others as well)
Age until next birthday : 24
Smoking status : No
Working environment : Office

My company's insurance is already ING. and I heard ING has one of the highest costs for premium to be paid?
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You can go for General Insurance instead of Life Insurance, standalone instead of investment linked.

By mixing and matching several standalone plans, I've got RM250k annual limit and RM1.15 million lifetime limit for H&S, RM220k for CI, RM180k for PA. And that's not counting company insurance. All for less than RM100 per month.
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post Apr 18 2013, 01:27 AM

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QUOTE(koinibler @ Apr 17 2013, 11:33 PM)
ya, i've read this statement several time oledi flex.gif
but never knew the truth.

i bet some it is a group insurance, so its not open to everybody
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 17 2013, 10:35 PM)
Pls share how u do it notworthy.gif
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First, I use the insurance provided by my employer as the "first line of defence" - I'll claim on it first before touching my own insurance.

For H&S insurance, I'll buy 2 of the following deductible plans (which ones? depends on my needs): Axa SCO, Tokio Marine MedicPlus, Pacific MediMajor, Allianz EB MediShield. They are value for money and guaranteed renewable.

For CI insurance, look at AIG and the plans offered by banks such as StandChart (MSIG) at reasonable premiums.

For PA insurance, Maxis provides RM180k PA coverage from Ace at RM5 per month.

Shop around. Do your homework (which is why I don't reveal the exact details). Read and understand the fine print. For H&S and CI, u get 15% discount from general insurance companies if u buy direct at their office without agent.

Finally, I'm not asking you to buy the plans I mentioned - I'm just sharing how I pay below RM100 per month for very comprehensive coverage brows.gif

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