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Jin2906
post Apr 1 2012, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(blu.sockz @ Mar 15 2012, 05:52 PM)
Hi guys, i know i can find many helpful agent/non-agent from different insurance companies here. I need advice in looking for a medical card/plan.

Here's my detail:
-29, non-smoker,office worker.
-Currently already have a life-ci-tpd plan for 3 years.
-am looking for a long term card that can be attached to a plan in hope that future fund/cash could somehow help reduce the card cost in future.
-currently company provide medical card for coverage.

I've look at a few cards in general (but not in detailed) and of course each has their strength for comparison. Below are my concerns and please add on if you see fit.

ING - No co-insurance which is good but low annual and life limit coverage in comparison. Generally talking about middle range plan of RM180/RM200 where the coverage is the limit is 110,000/330,000. Do you reckon this is a low in seeing current and upcoming trend of inflation as well as medical cost?

PRU - Has co-insurance and can add premium (need to pay extra) to get hospital allowance to kind of offset it. Premium wise is of the higher range and expensive. What other benefits to it that justify its higher range premium? appreciate your points for discussion sake.

Alliance - one of the most competitive premium i would say while it gives high coverage. As noted, it mentions that the claims are mostly subject to Reasonable customary charges - how can we get more details about this clause?

Above are the only plan that i manage to get some information for comparison. And below are the other questions that I hope to get an answer from these companies:

1. if exceed room and board limit (say 200), will there be 20% co-insurance or additional charges?
2. are they guaranteed renewal? if yes, till what age limit & then subject to yearly?
3. do you see the need in topup cash to the fund (for ILP) in the later stage? as early as 50?

I think prudential new medical card would be a great choice for u then.
1. Above room n board, u pay the difference. Below the room n board, u get re-imburse. Then deductible of 300 or 0 per disability is a choice if u really want to limit the amount u opt to pay incase of admission.
2. Guaranteed renewal is good, but subject to company portfolio withdrawal. Therefore, look for non-cancellable. Whereby, company not allowed to cancel ur benefit as long as u pay premium. (best for client benefit) fair!!!
3. Topup cash for ilp is possible as inflation is getting bad to worst. We can only work harder to make sure we can afford living in future. smile.gif

PM me if anyone need further details.

Regards.

That's all i have for now, thanks
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post Apr 1 2012, 01:52 PM

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how do i calculate how much insurance is enough? what type of insurance must i buy? blink.gif
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post Apr 1 2012, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(lunchtime @ Apr 1 2012, 01:52 PM)
how do i calculate how much insurance is enough? what type of insurance must i buy?  blink.gif
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Mostly it boils down to your income, commitment & whether your family depends on you to bring food on the table. The general rule of the thumb is 10 times your annual income.

Normally that would mean a huge sum of premium, and that's why people opt based on their affordability, of which they could increase when their income increases.

A typical cash flow will help you have a general idea of your commitment vs how much cover you need:

1. House/Car/Credit card installment
2. Electricity/Water/HP/Telephone/StreamyX/Unifi/Astro/ bills
3. Yearly angpow to parents/children/
4. Monthly Maintenance of car/house.
5. School/Tuition fees
.... and so forth

Touch wood if tomorrow we are down with a CI/accident that renders us totally permanently disabled, we can't tell the electricity company to waive our bill. If the car is still on installment, the 3rd installment missed will have people knocking on your door.

Medical would also comes in handy as many are often caught off guard not realizing how much expensive it could be until they are hospitalized. This is even more evident if the hospitalization is due to a serious injury/disease.

You could start off with a basic lowest plan to get the cover if your company is providing some form of medical cover and increase it along the years in line with the medical inflation in Malaysia.

If you need a quote, PM me the following details:-

1. Name
2. Date of birth
3. Smoking Status
4. Gender
5. Occupation
6. Approx. Annual Income (I'm from Prudential, not from the Income tax dept so dont worry)
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post Apr 1 2012, 03:03 PM

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Not sure this is the right thread to ask this. I was quoted premium around RM270 monthly for MLTA with 200k coverage. My current age is 39, non-smoker. Is it reasonable? Any comments on HL Assurance?


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post Apr 1 2012, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Apr 1 2012, 01:19 PM)
1. You can read about incontestability clause http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary....tability+Clause
2. Prudential has it, if those that dont have, hmn... sorry cant comment as it is for the benefit of the client.
3. Yes
4. Pruvantage plan though is not that flexible, covers take home drugs, implants. Implanted pacemaker costs RM43K excluding surgery (at GMC).
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I just look through my Pruvantage policy document again. I don't see that incontestability clause lah. Which document is it stated in?
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QUOTE(awdarr @ Apr 1 2012, 03:03 PM)
Not sure this is the right thread to ask this. I was quoted premium around RM270 monthly for MLTA with 200k coverage. My current age is 39, non-smoker. Is it reasonable? Any comments on HL Assurance?
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yes ... this is the right place to ask.

i think should be RM188.65 per month only
roystevenung
post Apr 2 2012, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(blu.sockz @ Mar 23 2012, 11:45 AM)
my understanding is if u are admitted to panel hospital, you dont have to do the 'pay first and reimburse later' process...no?
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On top of the getting yourself admitted into the hospital by waving your medical card Prudential also have a rider called PruAcciMed (formerly known as Accidental Medical Reimbursement).

This is how it works. If we are involved in a minor accident with bruises & cuts and dont see the need to get admitted, one may go to a nearby hospital / clinic to do dressing. The minimum benefit for this is RM 2000, and it is pay & claim process up to the bill & benefit limit.

Perhaps he is referring to this benefit. Anyway if need second opinion, just scan the policy document page that list down the benefits and email it to me. stevenung1971 at gmail.com


Added on April 2, 2012, 9:08 am
QUOTE(wejazzitup @ Apr 1 2012, 09:18 PM)
I just look through my Pruvantage policy document again.  I don't see that incontestability clause lah.  Which document is it stated in?
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Let me get a hold of Pruvantage policy and I'll get back to you. Its stated in the policy contract.

ATM, we do not have any info on whether there will be upgrading excercise for Pruvantage to upgrade to PruFlexiMed. If we have any info, we'll post.


Added on April 2, 2012, 9:32 am
QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Mar 23 2012, 04:01 PM)
No... not my frustration....

always, I bought insurance and I see insurance as government... they hardly there when we need them, but are always there when they need us(to purchase)
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The only way to find out is before getting admitted call your agent. Our job begins by checking your policy details, whether the policy is in force, what are the benefits and inform back to he client.

Claims process are normally 2-3 weeks upon discharge from the hospital.


This post has been edited by roystevenung: Apr 2 2012, 09:32 AM
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post Apr 2 2012, 01:26 PM

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A life insurance policy is likely to have an indisputability clause. This clause states that the insurance company will not dispute any claim after it has been in force for one or two years, except in the case of fraud.

The purpose of this clause is to protect the consumer (i.e. policyholder) from unreasonable rejection of a death claim due to non-disclosure of material information. After a policy has been issued for a few years, it will be difficult to establish if the non-disclosure is intended or an oversight. The indisputability clause states that the insurance company will not dispute the claim on this account.

The claim can be disputed if the premium is not paid.

Some claim offiicers are willing to dispute a claim under the "fraud" clause. They claim that policyholder is commiting fraud by the non-disclosure. This stand is in contraction to the indisputablity clause.

If the insurance company wish to use the fraud clause, they have the burden to prove that fraud was intended by the policyholder. The non-disclosure event does not amount to fraud. Other evidence had to be produced, e.g. that the policyholder knew about the duty to disclose and take steps to hide the facts. This type of evidence is usually not available, probably because fraud was not intended in the first place.
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post Apr 2 2012, 05:31 PM

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Anyone does lump sum payment before? Does this option exists? Any suggestion?

E.g.
RM150 * 12 months * 10 years = RM18,000
I'll pay RM18k at one go.

No GE please.
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yes . . . but usually endowment plan they only do this because there is premium rebate actually if customer pays lump sum
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QUOTE(ky_khor @ Apr 2 2012, 05:31 PM)
Anyone does lump sum payment before? Does this option exists? Any suggestion?

E.g.
RM150 * 12 months * 10 years = RM18,000
I'll pay RM18k at one go.

No GE please.
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Applicable to traditional and universal life plan. However it would be foolish is dump everything into an investment linked account because u buy ur units at one go. If at the point of entry the price is low then bravo to u. But if it's at the high side, then good luck to u. Reason because u are not utilizing dollar cost averaging!


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QUOTE(awdarr @ Apr 1 2012, 03:03 PM)
Not sure this is the right thread to ask this. I was quoted premium around RM270 monthly for MLTA with 200k coverage. My current age is 39, non-smoker. Is it reasonable? Any comments on HL Assurance?
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Yea, it is correct.

To be exact, it will be RM276.85 on a monthly basis;
RM 830.55 on a quarterly basis;
RM 1621.55 on a half yearly basis;
RM 3164 on a yearly basis..

Pay in yearly basis, save RM158.20, or around 5%..


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post Apr 3 2012, 07:06 AM

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QUOTE(wejazzitup @ Apr 1 2012, 09:18 PM)
I just look through my Pruvantage policy document again.  I don't see that incontestability clause lah.  Which document is it stated in?
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After 'ransacking' the documents, I finally found my policy document for Pruvantage. Take a look under the Policy Account, Part 6 - Basis of this Policy & Premiums.

1.3 Except for fraud or exclusions as stated herein, the validity of this Policy shall be incontestable after it has been in force for a period of two (2) years from the Date of Policy during the lifetime of the Life Assured.
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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Apr 3 2012, 07:06 AM)
After 'ransacking' the documents, I finally found my policy document for Pruvantage. Take a look under the Policy Account, Part 6 - Basis of this Policy & Premiums.

1.3 Except for fraud or exclusions as stated herein, the validity of this Policy shall be incontestable after it has been in force for a period of two (2) years from the Date of Policy during the lifetime of the Life Assured.
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post Apr 7 2012, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(Colaboy @ Mar 21 2012, 01:06 PM)
RM5500 p.a

*life (death & TPD) RM500K
*medical card cover RM100K p.a RM2MIL lifetime limit
*waiver
*hospital income RM300/day.

Its expensive because of the benefit you have in the medical plan.
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Just curious. Below is what I have..

*Prulink assurance account RM50,000
*crisis cover benefits RM50,000
*medical card cover RM75k p.a, RM750k lifetime limit
*hospital income RM200/day

.. but I think the annual premium is expensive - ~RM3400 (non-smoker, below 40 yrs old, no past history of medical issue).

Any comments?



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QUOTE(1282009 @ Apr 7 2012, 12:03 AM)
Just curious. Below is what I have..

*Prulink assurance account RM50,000
*crisis cover benefits RM50,000
*medical card cover RM75k p.a, RM750k lifetime limit
*hospital income RM200/day

.. but I think the annual premium is expensive - ~RM3400 (non-smoker, below 40 yrs old, no past history of medical issue).

Any comments?
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Hi, what is your occupation, gender & date of birth? I could calculate and run a quote for you. Also does it comes with a spouse payor? If possible list down all the benefits here so that i can give you the similar quote for comparison purpose.

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QUOTE(1282009 @ Apr 7 2012, 12:03 AM)
Just curious. Below is what I have..

*Prulink assurance account RM50,000
*crisis cover benefits RM50,000
*medical card cover RM75k p.a, RM750k lifetime limit
*hospital income RM200/day

.. but I think the annual premium is expensive - ~RM3400 (non-smoker, below 40 yrs old, no past history of medical issue).

Any comments?
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Looks like quite expensive.

Maybe you bought it at a slightly higher age..
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post Apr 9 2012, 01:49 AM

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QUOTE(1282009 @ Apr 7 2012, 12:03 AM)
Just curious. Below is what I have..

*Prulink assurance account RM50,000
*crisis cover benefits RM50,000
*medical card cover RM75k p.a, RM750k lifetime limit
*hospital income RM200/day

.. but I think the annual premium is expensive - ~RM3400 (non-smoker, below 40 yrs old, no past history of medical issue).

Any comments?
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if i quoted at age 40 base on your information . . . the premium is at RM3,000
RM400 different from the agent quoted for you ^^ but i believe the cash value will be higher instead . . .
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post Apr 9 2012, 02:29 AM

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Can anyone recommend medical card for family with guaranteed renewal policy.
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QUOTE(Colaboy @ Apr 9 2012, 01:49 AM)
if i quoted at age 40 base on your information . . . the premium is at RM3,000 
RM400 different from the agent quoted for you ^^ but i believe the cash value will be higher instead  . . .
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Thanks for the info. Definitely < 40 laugh.gif By the way, u are right on the higher premium. My question has been answered smile.gif



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