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English Clubs Chelsea FC 2014/15 BPL Champion V38, BPL - Chelsea v Everton 11pm #812

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post Nov 2 2015, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(bluraypirate @ Nov 2 2015, 11:27 PM)
Well it's mou fault they want to leave......

Look how well they turn out to be today.....
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Jose asked Mata but he still wanted to leave, because he cant beat Hazard Oscar and Willian at that moment.

KDB he wanted to leave, Jose blocked the deal, yet club still sell him.

Petr wanted to leave, Jose blocked the deal, yet club still sell him.

Lukaku wanted to leave because Jose cant assure him first team, not exactly setting the world on fire..but fair enough.

Schurrle cant break into trident, sell.

Mou fault? unless playing your best 11 is a crime, then I dont see the problem here.

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QUOTE(YumeNoTaMeNi @ Nov 2 2015, 11:49 PM)
Man.. I see what lingering at the relegation zone have done to your reasoning.

First of all, i'm not a big fan of Mata but if Benitez can get the best out of him, why can't mourinho?

Yeah, is pretty much Mourinho's fault. Why?

Salah, Schurrle, Mata, Cuadrado, KDB. All good players but deem not good enough by Mourinho because they don't track back enough? Cuadrado was given half a season?

What happen to Pedro?

I'm a fan of mourinho because he can deliver. But seriously, his methods are questionable. First Madrid, now Chelsea?

Oh btw, i got a feeling that Hazard is going to be the next player to leave/forced out of Chelsea.

Just my two cents.
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because of the system, Mou play as a unit attack and defense together...while Benitez play with more freedom..but it will put more pressure on defense.

Salah, Schurrle, Mata, Cuadrado, KDB. All good players but deem not good enough by Mourinho because they don't track back enough? Cuadrado was given half a season?

none of the players at that moment can beat the 3 players selected for the trident..they are good, but not in the top 3 for trident..

and yes, back track is important if you want to play as a unit..you dont play according to player...you set the system and pick the player that suitable with it.

just because a player is good or even great it doesnt mean that they will be the same for your club, any transfer is a toss of coin..only the risk is different.

rather than talking about players leaving, if you want to be fair then you must also discuss on Azpi, Willian, Oscar, Ramires, Courtois and Zouma because they were given those chances that you are talking about.

Pedro was on and off because of injury.

are you talking about Madrid team that beat the great Barcelona side??

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player leaving is nothing new..we will find replacement..
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post Nov 2 2015, 11:20 PM

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it is the truth.

Lukaku wanted to straight away be our first choice, no player is automatic first choice in Chelsea, u nid to prove urself first.

For KDB, almost the same thing, plus his defensive contribution aka track back is not up to Mou's standard. And also KDB not willing to fight for a place with Mata, Oscar, Willian, Hazard.

Mata's case. He does not track back. And that is essentially how Mou play. He wants his players to have high work rate and track back. Yes, he might be a fan favourite, he might have won Chelsea's player of the season award. But Mou's decision proves that he is not totally wrong too, as Chelsea did won the League after selling Mata.
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QUOTE(YumeNoTaMeNi @ Nov 2 2015, 11:11 PM)
Nice reply. Like the fact that facts are shared unlike another thread here.

Anyway, im speaking about Mou's last season at Madrid. We all know how that turn out.

I think you are overrating Willian. Workhorse yes. Dynamo yes. Finesse, not really.

I understand your argument of playing as a unit. But surely, you can't just expect everyone to do that without any leeway being granted to certain player? It stifles a lot of things.

I never rated Pep, but now it seems that even he is adapting. Managers like LVG and Mou are just one dimensional albeit at different angle.

If you guys get Carlo, you guys are lucky. Imo, he is the best manager in the world.
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THIS! I would've loved him at Lpool but he is TOO GOOD for a long term rebuilding job more suited to Klopp. I would seriously fear Chelsea if Ancelotti returns to London.

Imma just leave this here...



Do share your feels

Carlo or Jose?
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QUOTE(YumeNoTaMeNi @ Nov 3 2015, 12:11 AM)
Nice reply. Like the fact that facts are shared unlike another thread here.

Anyway, im speaking about Mou's last season at Madrid. We all know how that turn out.

I think you are overrating Willian. Workhorse yes. Dynamo yes. Finesse, not really.

I understand your argument of playing as a unit. But surely, you can't just expect everyone to do that without any leeway being granted to certain player? It stifles a lot of things.

I never rated Pep, but now it seems that even he is adapting. Managers like LVG and Mou are just one dimensional albeit at different angle.

If you guys get Carlo, you guys are lucky. Imo, he is the best manager in the world.
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Yes, Mou last season is a mess..but Real should keep him..he laid a solid foundation for Carlo to come and fix a few things for La Decima.

about Willian yes, agree that he is not the most creative player..but Mou always prefer player that work hard for the team.

yes, I agree on your point about leeway being granted to certain player.

Pep is learning from Bayern, about LVG nd Mou..I wont say that they are one dimensional..because Ive seen both of them play ome outstanding counter attacking football, fast paced and deadly.

well Carlo is great, but I prefer Mou personally.
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If I am Roman, I'll stay with Mourinho. We can see it as this way. This same group of players, this season lingering at 15th position. How many players in the Chelsea starting 11 would be auto starters in Madrid, Barca, Bayern, Juve? Seriously, I think only Courtois, Azpi. The rest, I dun think is capable of being starting 11 material in top top clubs.

The fact that Mou can win the PL with this group of players, shows that Mou is a good manager. Considering that fact that only 1 or 2 from the starting 11 can walk into the top top club of Madrid, Barca, Bayern. This shows that Chelsea won the league not because of individual brilliance, it's more of a collective thing, how the team defend as a unit, how the team counter attack a unit, how the team starts defending in AMF position (Oscar)

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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Nov 3 2015, 12:21 AM)

Do share your feels

Carlo or Jose?
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let say both of them at their best..Jose can control the outcome of the game, might not be all gungho attacking..but we know that we wont lose, a draw maybe..but win is a must.

for Carlo, we will play some great attacking football, but he cant really control the outcome, if you were found out by opponent..it will be tough and we might lose.

I prefer to have some control over the outcome, than gamble on it.
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Nov 2 2015, 11:21 PM)
THIS! I would've loved him at Lpool but he is TOO GOOD for a long term rebuilding job more suited to Klopp. I would seriously fear Chelsea if Ancelotti returns to London.

Imma just leave this here...



Do share your feels

Carlo or Jose?
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personally

i like carlo more than jose

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post Nov 2 2015, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(YumeNoTaMeNi @ Nov 2 2015, 11:42 PM)
Azpi walking into madrid, bayern or barca? Did you check the RB/LB of those teams or not?

Barca will be relevant for quite some time. Bayern? nah.. Is just a phase and pep chose smartly. Pep is overrated.
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Well, at least Azpi is consistent even when played in unfamiliar LB position when he was deputizing for Cole. And the fact that Azpi is able to fend off competition from Ashley Cole, Luis shows that Azpi is quite a solid defender. Plus he is only 26! tongue.gif

o well, maybe I'm just a fanboy of Azpi. laugh.gif

Somehow I always think of Pep as the manager that chose the easy job. Joining Bayern when Bayern is already doin so well. Choosing not to go for PL clubs. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(briantwj @ Nov 2 2015, 11:46 PM)
Well, at least Azpi is consistent even when played in unfamiliar LB position when he was deputizing for Cole. And the fact that Azpi is able to fend off competition from Ashley Cole, Luis shows that Azpi is quite a solid defender. Plus he is only 26! tongue.gif

o well, maybe I'm just a fanboy of Azpi.  laugh.gif

Somehow I always think of Pep as the manager that chose the easy job. Joining Bayern when Bayern is already doin so well. Choosing not to go for PL clubs. whistling.gif
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Will u change ur mind if he join us next season?
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QUOTE(zoidx_chung @ Nov 3 2015, 12:39 AM)
Will u change ur mind if he join us next season?
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No! I dun really like his tiki taka style. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(briantwj @ Nov 3 2015, 12:40 AM)
No! I dun really like his tiki taka style. sweat.gif
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Roman fancy it
But he need to splash a lot of money to change the whole team
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QUOTE(zoidx_chung @ Nov 3 2015, 12:45 AM)
Roman fancy it
But he need to splash a lot of money to change the whole team
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IF Pep comes, in kambing Thiago, Goetze, Lewandowski, Boateng
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just to let you guys know..

Chelsea boss Jose Mourinho: I'm strong... just like my dad
JOSE MOURINHO is a fighter. Just like his dad.

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And he doesn't need to look very far from home for the perfect example of the strength and courage it takes to win a real battle for survival.

Mourinho's father, Jose Snr, underwent surgery on a brain haemorrhage in April with his son there at his bedside.

Since then, the 77-year-old has suffered two strokes. Thankfully, he is now on the mend and recovering at home in Lisbon.

But his story, while a reminder that there are more important things in life than football, is one that Mourinho can take strength from.

Opening up for the first time about what his family have been through, the Chelsea boss said: "My father is winning his fight, and he's winning in a very secure way.

"He went to levels where nobody would expect. I think he's a bit of a fighter. He went to levels where it was very doubtful and very difficult.

"But after a difficult period the recovery is good news. The evolution is amazing. Amazing. If there is any consequence of that, it's just positive. The family is happy with a fantastic recovery.

"I know what life is. And I know that, in the end, what matters is the family. And my family is top."

Mourinho's concern for his father is obvious, and touching. But he insists he has used it in a positive way during his own recent troubles, which pale by comparison.

He said: "The strength of a family is to allow you to focus on your job. Obviously your heart feels. But we did a normal life. We are a strong family."

Mourinho had been making regular trips back to Lisbon to be with his father and his situation is one the club have huge sympathy for.


It also helps to put everything that has gone wrong at Chelsea this season into some much-needed perspective.

But nobody should be in any doubt that, just like his dad, Mourinho has it what it takes to win his battle.

"I'm strong" he told us yesterday, with a smile.

He has needed to be this season as Chelsea have struggled, and his side face Liverpool today searching for only their second win in eight games.

Defeat could spell the end for him at Stamford Bridge. But when asked whether he understood it to be a must-win game, Mourinho replied: "In my career, every game is a must win."

Mourinho is still sweating on the fitness of Diego Costa, who suffered a rib injury in the Capital One Cup defeat at Stoke.

But the signs are the Spain striker will play. John Terry played through the pain of two cracked ribs back in 2012, and Chelsea insist Costa only has bruising to worry about.

Whatever happens, Mourinho will be there in the dug-out, doing his best to urge his team on, despite the misconduct charge hanging over him.

He faces disciplinary action after confronting referee Jon Moss at half time in last week's 2-1 defeat at West Ham, but the case will not be heard until next week.

If it all goes according to plan, more than one person in the Mourinho household can be forgiven a smile.
posted before Liverpool games, Ive heard rumors about this since summer..get well soon JM Sr.

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post Nov 3 2015, 08:34 AM

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If Roman can give Mou one season to sort things out before we won the league, I don't see the problem in giving Mou another season to sort things out again.

But as the tabloid said... It is easier to change one person against changing the whole 11 players...

I wonder who is that player who would rather lose than win for Jose... Hopefully it's not one of the starting XI...

The problem with the team now is that we don't have a commanding leader... Terry lost his ways this season... his legs are gone... and so is Ivanovich whom happens to be our deputy captain...

And in the field, even though Terry is the captain, you dun see he pull out the guys when we gets a whipping.

Last season is different because back then we still have Drogba and Cech in the dressing room... Drogba's presence alone change the mood of the team... When he is in the pitch he changed the atmosphere of the field... we lack that kind of player now... whenever our player committed a silly foul or a mistakes, you'll see Drogba talking to them and consoling them... I dun see JT do that because all this years we have players that is doing that... and Cech too...

by losing Lamps, Drogba and Cech we lost the dressing room.... and that's where the problem starts... plus we also lost the fan favourite club doctor.... we are in deep mess now... but it is time us fans endure this... and back Mou for whatever happens...

For Mourinho is the best coach that manage Chelsea.

and talking about Mata, even though he's our best player back then but we never end up winning the league with Mata in our side... of course we won the Champions League.... but not the Premier League... something to ponder on...
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QUOTE(hakka_jin @ Nov 3 2015, 09:34 AM)
If Roman can give Mou one season to sort things out before we won the league, I don't see the problem in giving Mou another season to sort things out again.

But as the tabloid said... It is easier to change one person against changing the whole 11 players...

I wonder who is that player who would rather lose than win for Jose... Hopefully it's not one of the starting XI...

The problem with the team now is that we don't have a commanding leader... Terry lost his ways this season... his legs are gone... and so is Ivanovich whom happens to be our deputy captain...

And in the field, even though Terry is the captain, you dun see he pull out the guys when we gets a whipping.

Last season is different because back then we still have Drogba and Cech in the dressing room... Drogba's presence alone change the mood of the team... When he is in the pitch he changed the atmosphere of the field... we lack that kind of player now... whenever our player committed a silly foul or a mistakes, you'll see Drogba talking to them and consoling them... I dun see JT do that because all this years we have players that is doing that... and Cech too...

by losing Lamps, Drogba and Cech we lost the dressing room.... and that's where the problem starts... plus we also lost the fan favourite club doctor.... we are in deep mess now... but it is time us fans endure this... and back Mou for whatever happens...

For Mourinho is the best coach that manage Chelsea.

and talking about Mata, even though he's our best player back then but we never end up winning the league with Mata in our side... of course we won the Champions League.... but not the Premier League... something to ponder on...
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so far if we take out under performer from last year line it up will be

Kotua
X-Cahill-X-Azpi
X-X
Willian -X-X
X

Lol.

if all current players perform to their best and we take out older players..it will be

Kotua
Azpi-X-X-Baba
Cesc-Matic
Willian-Oscar-Hazard
Costa

not too bad actually..


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wow. great healthy discussion. thumbs up for all of you. This is why I think our thread is the best in this forum. smile.gif

oh yeah, don't feed the trolls. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(alip_11 @ Nov 3 2015, 10:01 AM)
wow. great healthy discussion. thumbs up for all of you.

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as long as they are here to discuss, i think we should be open to it. laugh.gif




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