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stanley85
post Jan 25 2008, 09:29 AM

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TS, there is another psu calculator which i find it is very useful yet free. the cons is you have to calculate yourself for 15% aging if you use the psu for more than 1 year 24/7. anyway use calculator isn't hard. tongue.gif

http://www.belson.com.cn/pwcount/pwcount.asp

oh ya..btw it's in chinese.
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post Jan 31 2008, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(shahmetal @ Jan 31 2008, 02:47 AM)
ok, i have a very important question here. 4 me at least. As power supplies keep getting more n more powerful, and what i know already surpassed the 1kW barrier, DO WE NEED THAT THING REALLY? Lets say, i want to build a machine with a Quad Core CPU, 2GB DDR3 (or DDR2), 2 SATA HDD, an 8800GT card (without all that extra coolings n overclockings). How far must i go to get a stable working rig? if i use the calculator, i think it NOT EVEN REACH the 400W mark. Am i rite? And any suggestion what power supply brand/series that is great and sufficient (not the greatest beast) out there? it confused me when it comes to power supplies. Silverstones, Enermaxs, Thermaltakes, Antecs.. whats that? and what about odin by gigabyte? well gigabyte is popular with mobos, but im not quite confdnt if it is a PSU....

thanks 4 your help. im just a n00b here.
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QUOTE(J-Slade @ Jan 31 2008, 02:09 PM)
GUys, I have a question. I tried the PSU calculator by extreme.outervision.com

My system setup says that if I use a 8800GT 512mb and 7300GT 256mb is still the same watt for the PSU. Why is this so? I tot the 8800 series need a powerful PSU? Plus, my rig with X2 4400+ and all it says the watts required is just 287W o_O

So does it mean if I continue using my coolermaster eXtreme 430W I can upgrade and use 8800GT?
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QUOTE(camel90 @ Jan 31 2008, 02:15 PM)
guys will this PSU

PowerLogic M1200X (ST)+220w
can run this setup?

-AM2 Athlon LE-1600 2200+ 2000MHz
-MSI MS7309
-Apacer DDR2 PC667 RAM 512MB
-W.D. 80GB SATA2
no OC, not necessary to upgrade the GC coz on board GC will be enough. no 24/7 use just normal use.
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ok guys...who know how to read chinese here? i had given the link b4, please take a look on it if you know chinese.

QUOTE(stanley85 @ Jan 25 2008, 09:29 AM)
TS, there is another psu calculator which i find it is very useful yet free. the cons is you have to calculate yourself for 15% aging if you use the psu for more than 1 year 24/7. anyway use calculator isn't hard. tongue.gif

http://www.belson.com.cn/pwcount/pwcount.asp

oh ya..btw it's in chinese.
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anyway.. these should be able to help if you don't know chinese

光驱 = optical drive
视频卡 = this one should be the tv card or something else.. i not sure abt this.
网卡 = network card
声卡 = sound card
内置MODEM = build in modem
SCSI卡 = scsi card
USB设备 = usb
1394设备 = 1394
软驱 = ...dunno tongue.gif
键盘 = keyboard
鼠标 = mouse
处理器风扇 = cpu fan
机箱风扇 = casing fan
硬盘 = hdd, 西部数据=western Digital, 希x = seagate, 金钻 = maxtor, 三星=samsung

hmm..this should be able to help. smile.gif

oh ya..if you plan to open 24/7, advisable to add 15% to 30% for the result..for counter psu aging problem..

cheers. smile.gif


Added on January 31, 2008, 7:03 pmtake the result then compare with the branded psu.. then you should get the more accurate result as compare to extreme lite version.

don't get a chap ayam psu ar.. i don't believe what they wrote on their psu label.

This post has been edited by stanley85: Jan 31 2008, 07:03 PM
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post Feb 1 2008, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(Kataro @ Jan 31 2008, 09:06 PM)
icute, powerlogic, enlight are chapalang PSU...how much is your budget? Will you upgrade or add ram, hdd? I think 350W PSU should be enuf for you, Enermax FMA II 350W can get at RM159 at All IT...other shop seem do not have 350W edy... icon_rolleyes.gif
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chap ayam psu won't cost more than RM 100 lah dude. those more than RM100 we don't call them "chap ayam" vmad.gif
QUOTE(camel90 @ Jan 31 2008, 08:30 PM)
how about icute 450W ?
i hope its good though. isit better, no?
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Acbel should be way better.. acbel e2 510
QUOTE(camel90 @ Jan 31 2008, 09:36 PM)
basically my budget is very low. so, with the computer gona be use by kid to play. i think cheap2 psu is good though , no? coz u see, i will not add on graphic card later , i will not do any overclocking , i will not even turn it on for 24/7.
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budget.. how much? as kataro said, Enermax FMA II 350W can get at RM159..just dunno reliable or not tongue.gif if your pc doesn't need high power, just get a chapayam psu will safe you lots of money lol.. just use the link given and find out how much amp(A) you need.

the down side of buying chap ayam psu is that.. it may not even power up due to the lauzy cap or old cap.. and anytime can go for cny tongue.gif

oh ya..why not consider -
Gigabyte SuperB 460W RM 160
ST400G 400Watts RM 180


Added on February 1, 2008, 9:29 amthrough the review here.. silverstone st400 seem a very nice psu.

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html...W50aHVzaWFzdA==

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post Jun 5 2008, 07:16 PM

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QUOTE(LiMcZ @ Jun 5 2008, 06:57 PM)
CPU: INTEL Core2 Duo E8400

Motherboard: gigabyte ep35-ds3

Ram: 2 X 2gb Kingston Value Ram

VGA: Gecube 3870 TurboIII

HDD: Seagate 500gb

Monitor: 19inch (help me on this please)viewsonic 1940

Optical Drive: Pioneer DVDRW

Casing:cm590

Can PSU: Silverstone 400w rm140 support this rig?
Thx in advance
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hmm...might but i not sure. anyway do you that willing to endanger your other pc part by saving a few hundred? no right?

acbel E2 510 may serve RM 205. if you're in tight budget.
or acbel i-power 510.
or else silverstone 560w or other equivalent product.
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post Jun 5 2008, 07:31 PM

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basically i don't support cm extreme power.. extreme power series concern on +5v and +3.3v rail but not +12v rail. in the end it might not have enough amp for +12v rail.

since cm extreme power din give exact amount for +12v rail, sorry, i can't tell you whether it can support or not.

*what i know is based on the factory label to find out whether the psu is good enough to support the pc or not. you may wait for more experience ppl to tell you.
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post Jun 12 2008, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(karhoe @ Jun 12 2008, 12:25 AM)
What you guys think about Corsair VX450

Any PSU below RM290 to suggest for this specs

E8400, 1gb x 2, 9600GT OC
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acbel e2 510 or acbel i-power 510
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post Jun 13 2008, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(dro @ Jun 13 2008, 12:20 AM)
vx450 can get below rm300 r?
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dunno...you might wan to check Garage Sales..
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post Jun 13 2008, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(xchoit @ Jun 13 2008, 11:09 AM)
how about mine?

Mobo :  Asus Maximus Formula
Processor : Intel C2D E8400 + OCZ Vendetta II
RAM : 2GB Team Extreem/Crucial Ballistix x2
HDD : 500GB Seagate Sata2 16MB
GC : HD 4870/HD 4850

confuse on which PSU should i buy T_T. budget 300-400 but may consider up to 450 if really worth it.
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HD 4000 series come out already? i dun have info on these cards..can't help you now. maybe others can help you out.


QUOTE(blackorange @ Jun 13 2008, 12:17 PM)
can suggest me PSU suitable for my setup?

mobo:Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H
proc:AM2 X2 4600+
RAM:2Gb DDR2 800
HDD:250Gb SATA with possibility to add only 1 more HDD..
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u using onboard vga right?
if you are using your pc, then just stick with the current psu no problem.
unless if you wanna change or going to buy and get a better quality psu, gigabyte superb 460w RM 160.
to be frankly la..your setup doesn't need a lot of power. smile.gif
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post Jun 14 2008, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(blackorange @ Jun 13 2008, 03:11 PM)
yeah... im using onboard video..
actually this setup is for new pc.
is silverstone ST400 ok?
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it can be use, but i don't know how good is it blush.gif

QUOTE(EyraYus @ Jun 13 2008, 04:10 PM)
what happen if my psu supply more watt then what my rig need?
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it doesn't matter. smile.gif


Added on June 14, 2008, 9:53 pmbtw i have something to ask.

Intel E8400 3.0 Ghz 6MB cache = RM660
Motherboard ASUS P5B-E+/1066Mhz = RM650
Corsair TWIN2X2048 (800Mhz) 1GB x 2 = RM250x2
500 GB HDD SATA (32M) = RM300
GeForce 9800GTX 256 bit 512MB = RM1.1k
Creative X-Fi Extream Audio = RM225
PIONEER 20X DVD-RW x2 = RM120x2
CASING (big size, at least 4 fan) RM200
Powr SUpply (pure DC power) RM300+

izzit silverstone 560w sufficient? or better get a better 1 like gigabyte odin gt 550w? (opss...what i wrote doh.gif not odin gt 550w but others better psu like 600w and above doh.gif )

thank you.

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post Jun 14 2008, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(campsol2k @ Jun 14 2008, 10:00 PM)
Both sufficient. They also quite good PSUs. Go for gigabyte if u want modular PSU.
Better u pick Pro instead of GT if u dont need any power/amperage monitoring tool.
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lol..i made mistake just now.. sweat.gif
shouldn't be 550w..
i meant should use like silverstone 650w or others equivalent?

oh ya.. thank you btw. smile.gif
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post Jun 15 2008, 10:49 AM

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lol...that should be out of budget (i help someone ask..cos i not really sure.. haha)
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post Jun 17 2008, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(dro @ Jun 15 2008, 12:00 PM)
HX520 or VX550 la then
odin pro oso gudd.......
i would buy odin pro rather than odin GT
cuz odin GT only have that psu software control
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hmm.. ic. so basically both pro and GT have the same quality.. the only difference is GT have software control but pro dun have.. rolleyes.gif
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post Oct 2 2008, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(k!nex @ Oct 2 2008, 05:09 PM)
i dunno anything abt huntkey.but i can tell u smtg abt gigabyte superb. u see rite,my fren bought 1 of them.550 watts gigabyte superb. in the end, if u read the label, u'll understand tht its actually a 450Watt true power PSU.kind of cheating.
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QUOTE(seanlimys @ Oct 2 2008, 06:57 PM)
erm...it goes the same to huntkey...plz note that...dun say cheating...it did mention the power...but did not specify true power or peak power..juz like huntkey greenstar 550w, its 450w true and 550w peak..but it is capable of going up to 550...who says cheating? guess its a way of advertising
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yup...it's not cheating...
what they wrote is just peak power.
if you get cal on the total wattage, you will get the true power.
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post Oct 15 2008, 04:18 AM

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QUOTE(scyap @ Oct 14 2008, 08:23 PM)
no short circuits or anything bad right?

blush.gif just wanna comfirm
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there are some possibility..
but come to the worst..your psu may blow..if it's chap ayam brand.. if you r really unlucky (not many cases (as compare to others posibility) but sometimes it just happen)
otherwise.. the worst is that you can't switch on your pc, thats all.
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post Oct 26 2008, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(HiT-AbLe @ Oct 25 2008, 08:39 PM)
What's the best 460w PSU(below RM200) now? Want to use it for E2180 and 8800GT, should be enough right.
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acbel e2 470 or 510
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post Oct 29 2008, 04:37 AM

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QUOTE(alpha_company @ Oct 29 2008, 04:03 AM)
what is the diff from GIGABYTE ODIN PRO 550w FOUR 12V rails...and CORSAIR VX550 single 12V rail???

what does it mean?

which is better for my rig..(see my sig plz)

btw, i want to install a 4-5 more fans inside my casing
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both can take the job.
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post Oct 30 2008, 04:46 AM

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QUOTE(lex @ Oct 30 2008, 02:27 AM)
Hmm.... the buzzz... Check and see if you had plug in the power connector properly. AFAIK the buzz usually occurs when your power connector not plugged in properly (ie. contact problem, connector plug too loose, connector plug too tight and slightly bigger than socket until cannot fully insert the plug all the way and the contacts inside not fully and properly joined), move or shake the power cable a bit and if experience more buzzing or not... hmm.gif

I'm using AcBel too but never experience this "buzzzz"...  tongue.gif
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I ever use both CM extreme 3xxwatt and 4xxwatt, both having the "buzz" sound..so..no more cm for me vmad.gif
although i dunno whats the performance of other series.


Added on October 30, 2008, 4:48 am
QUOTE(James_yka @ Oct 29 2008, 07:31 PM)
Mayb bcos x2 eat ups more power...

Mine also i think a bit risky, seems just enough to power up the whole system... just hope it would be enough...
Is there a way to personally calculate the usage ? i did try the Extreme PSU Calculation, but my PSU doesnt seems to be giving enough...
So i want to calculate it myself see if its really enough or not...
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anyway...what is the total amp for your psu +12v? and what spec your pc have?

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post Nov 17 2008, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(arethusa @ Nov 16 2008, 09:44 PM)
lol, so my electric bill will read as 528W rite, not 700W..
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QUOTE(seanlimys @ Nov 15 2008, 11:58 PM)
lol...
i oso duno..am looking for one
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you can buy power tester kit to run the test.

it will only draw the power you need, so no worry.
however, it depends on the psu efficiency, high = better because if you have lower power efficiency psu, then your billing will be higher, in the condition you take same power consumption pc to compare.
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post Jan 20 2009, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(bOoEsT @ Jan 13 2009, 03:27 PM)
would like to show this thread from Vr forums on an OC-ed rig
with 3 x GTX280 SLI power consumption

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showpost.php?p=6...&postcount=2744

it idle @ 300-sih Watts and peak at about 900~940W

so those buying HD4870 alone please no need to get a 600~700W PSU hor. a simple good 400~500W PSU can liaoz. biggrin.gif
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it is always true that you won't need to buy any psu more than 500w if you use only single graphic card. (at least until now, in the future of course dunno lah tongue.gif )

anyway..advice to go for quality known psu, including true power of 500w psu.
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post Sep 13 2009, 08:14 AM

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QUOTE(JoBigShow @ Sep 9 2009, 05:35 PM)
Lets put it like this, the gigabyte superb720 is like those gas guzzling cars, (those car which are 3000c and above) It's sold at a reasonable price, it has performance and power, BUT its expensive to maintain. Anyone who ever owns a Mazda RX-7, Mitsubishi GTO, Toyota Supra, etc. will know what I'm talking about. nod.gif

OK here's my opinion, that PSU cost RM240-ish, in a 1 year usage of PC with that PSU will burn extra RM100 from your pocket.
So technically you spend: RM250 + 100 = RM350-ish annually/yearly if buying that PSU.

So technically speaking, u can get any other PSU that cost around RM350 OR you buy that GigSuperb720 for RM249 + about RM100 of unused reserved power.
Both are the same price.

Anyways with 80Plus Efficiency you saved up at least 35% from the unused reserved power in a years worth of PC usage,
so realistically u might pay extra RM50-ish depends on how much u use your PC in 1 year.

(my opinion is solely based on budget and how much money involves, you can choose to ignore my advise if budget isn't your main concern)

But if u can top-up the budget of that gigSuperb720i, you should buy PSU's the likes of:
Corsair TX650 and above, FSP Everest 80+ 600wModular, Siverstone ST series, Xigmatek NRP series with 80Plus SLI/CF certified, etc...  thumbup.gif
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hey pal, you forgot to answer the basic question ask by him.
720w doesn't mean it will drow 720w at all time, it's depends on the current need, which already answered by xelrix smile.gif

anyway..the efficiency still count.
higher efficiency will save some $ in a year but anyway i dunno how much rolleyes.gif
you may do the math yourself tongue.gif

This post has been edited by stanley85: Sep 13 2009, 08:16 AM

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