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Steven7
post Feb 20 2017, 07:50 PM

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Hi guys, reporting in as new investor as educated by @Ramjade. Any "starter kit" for SG funds? BTW Ramjade, since you mentioned in SG POEMS is better than FSM why didn't the members here create a POEMS SG thread instead, just curious.

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post Feb 20 2017, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 20 2017, 08:19 PM)
Because at that time, we all only know FSM SG. All the people here have FSM SG except me. lol
I am sorry. No starter kit. Let's why I said this thread is "very dead" FSM MY already v18. THis thread only v1. lol

Funds recommendation:
Asia Pacific - First State Dividend Advantage/Ponzi 2 (return almost same as First state but we do not know what's the 3 years volatility yet)
US - Fidelity America

Feel free to browse funds on FSM SG which suit your taste then check and see if POEMS have them. Not everything on FSM SG is available of POEMS SG sad.gif So you will have to make compromise here and there.

Remember the basic and you ought to do fine.
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Ok thanks I will go do my homework and hopefully you can take a look at my portfolio soonafter
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post Feb 20 2017, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 20 2017, 08:36 PM)
Wah. I am not qualified. AIYH or dasecret is more worthy as they are in the finance line.  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
I am just a nobody.
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Haha I will bug you all for advice once I got a draft of my portfolio. BTW, FSM SG website is far more "user friendly" than Phillip UT website (I mean POEMS SG website is good but once I go into POEMS UT specific website, its so ugly) wink.gif

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post Feb 20 2017, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Feb 20 2017, 08:44 PM)
eheh apa ni, I am only the same age as you sweat.gif

fresh no experience tongue.gif
Probably that is the price you pay for having a more sleek and ease to use interface i suppose

As far as I understand (only have fsm sg available to view at the moment, still waiting for poems sg sweat.gif), fsm sg is far more convenient in RSP as one can just transfer money into cash account and every month deduct money directly from there, easy instruction, unlike Giro which you need to set up and wait for bank approval

Plus fsm sg has a lot of feature for use compared to poems sg

But fsm sg to have heavy platform fee (although they say will reduce, still doesnt beat no fee in poems sg laugh.gif)
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Ohh now I know FSM SG have this feature, but I am okay with GIRO or any other manual methods of transferring to RSP. Yeah I think the no fee in POEMS in really attractive despite its ugly platform
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post Feb 20 2017, 08:51 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 20 2017, 08:46 PM)
Yup. Agreed. But when you consider they are some of the most establish broker in SG plus with the savings, I don't mind. Like I said use FSM SG platform for info, buy from POEMS. biggrin.gif

For info wise, I use Bloomberg and FSM SG.

I just got my POEMS account so I have not bought anything but I have already did my research on what to buy. Took me a while as they have lots of fund compare to MY  blink.gif  shocking.gif  sweat.gif
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Yeah in fact right now I am looking at FSM SG recommendation then go to POEMS to check whether it exists there. Mind to share some highlights fund on your research?
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post Feb 20 2017, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Feb 20 2017, 09:51 PM)
Welcome to the semi hibernating club
I must admit I've not been a very good TS

If you read a few pages back, I talked about MAPS offered by FSM SG which is a quasi-roboadvisor product. I went for that for its simplicity and no research needed. But of course, not everyone like the idea of 0.5% fees per annum. But since I started on FSM SG, I've not done very  well managing the portfolio myself. Like you say, there's less peer support here compared to FSM MY. And I also spend relatively less time studying the super extensive list of funds available on FSM SG.

First state div advantage is the most popular fund on FSM Sg but it didn't do very well since I bought it, I think at last count my IRR is still <5%. My best performing fund is Fidelity US fund.

Anyway, my FSM SG investment is smaller than FSM My portfolio and unlikely to grow much. So the time taken to monitor really does not commensurate the effort needed. Hence I went for MAPS and so far it's doing well.

In your case, it's up to you to decide which is the way to go. I'll list down the pros n cons of MAPS

Pro
- no brainer, auto pilot
- might save you some tuition fees when starting out

Con
- minimum lump sum sgd5k which can be a bit high for some
- comes with a fee of 0.5% per annum. But I'm fussy that even free also I won't go for POEMS. So 0.4% vs 0.5% is really immaterial for the convenience
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Woah I looked at MAPS and it seemed..."simple" and effortless for people like me.

Correct me if I am wrong, so for FSM SG I will be charged 0.1% per quarter for equity/bond fund plus 0.5% per annum if I use their MAPS service. POEMS 0% charge. FSM MY charge an extra 2% SC, this is where I got confused, why is FSM SG worse than FSM MY then since SG don't even incur SC?
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post Feb 21 2017, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Feb 20 2017, 09:51 PM)
Welcome to the semi hibernating club
I must admit I've not been a very good TS

If you read a few pages back, I talked about MAPS offered by FSM SG which is a quasi-roboadvisor product. I went for that for its simplicity and no research needed. But of course, not everyone like the idea of 0.5% fees per annum. But since I started on FSM SG, I've not done very  well managing the portfolio myself. Like you say, there's less peer support here compared to FSM MY. And I also spend relatively less time studying the super extensive list of funds available on FSM SG.

First state div advantage is the most popular fund on FSM Sg but it didn't do very well since I bought it, I think at last count my IRR is still <5%. My best performing fund is Fidelity US fund.

Anyway, my FSM SG investment is smaller than FSM My portfolio and unlikely to grow much. So the time taken to monitor really does not commensurate the effort needed. Hence I went for MAPS and so far it's doing well.

In your case, it's up to you to decide which is the way to go. I'll list down the pros n cons of MAPS

Pro
- no brainer, auto pilot
- might save you some tuition fees when starting out

Con
- minimum lump sum sgd5k which can be a bit high for some
- comes with a fee of 0.5% per annum. But I'm fussy that even free also I won't go for POEMS. So 0.4% vs 0.5% is really immaterial for the convenience
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Interesting, MAPS is getting more and more interesting. So MAPS only charges 0.5% per annum without incurring the 0.4% platform fee?

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 21 2017, 12:04 AM)
1) I think it meant FSM SG platform fees is higher than FSM MY
2) FSM MY have lesser funds than FSM SG. Majority of funds on FSM MY are malaysian focused with limited overseas fund
3) No SC but 0.4% platform fees. Over time it eats into your return. 1st year lose 0.4%, 2nd year 0.4% (total 0.8%). by 5th year you would have lose 2%.
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Hmm that makes sense. Thanks!
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post Mar 10 2017, 12:56 PM

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Dumped ~20K into MAPS Balanced for about few weeks now and so far I've been taking a hit of -0.15% due to Fidelity EmEur MidEast and Africa A USD is really doing quite bad. Rest of the funds are either increasing in value or remained almost the same but this one really dropped a lot (granted its Risk 9)

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post Mar 10 2017, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 10 2017, 01:12 PM)
What is MAPS doing with MidEast and Africa confused.gif  doh.gif
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I seriously don't know, its on FSM recommended fund some more...But they only allocated 5% for that though, out of 20 funds that they subscribed for my MAPS Balanced (Growth)
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post Mar 10 2017, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Mar 10 2017, 01:35 PM)
Wah, you so gung-ho, SGD20k lumpsum. Anyway it's early days, give it a bit of time to grow
Next time; consider doing RSP instead; Maybe for 20k you can do SGD5k every month for 4 months; if helps even out the investment cost. ROI on my MAPS is 3% at the moment. Couldn't figure out a way to do IRR yet since it's a basket of fund instead of just purchase of 1 fund everytime I RSP
MAPS is "VERY" diversified; it buys into 20 funds for you in 1 portfolio
We will see whether it plays out well or not la
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Well in fact I will still be doing RSP.....might as well just dump ~20k in first. What is this Smartly tho? Why is it getting so much attention even though it didn't launch yet.
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post Mar 10 2017, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Mar 10 2017, 01:58 PM)
The first robo advisory in this region
https://www.smartly.sg/

Only know about them because the founder went on BFM
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Well I did read some news on them but I mean..what credibility does it have? What is its USP compared to say, FSM MAPS? A fee of 1% for <10k looks kinda steep for me.
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post Mar 10 2017, 03:26 PM

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Yeah I know about the abundance of robo advisors at US as I saw great reviews on them even on Quora, back then I was hoping they would set up shop here but they didn't.

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post Mar 10 2017, 04:19 PM

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Call me skeptical but I will give it some time before even starting say, a 500SGD RSP with them. BTW there is a FSM MAPS seminar coming, anyone going? I think there will be free dinner yo
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post Mar 10 2017, 05:56 PM

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dasecret I don't understand something about MAPS, for the sake of the question lets assume I bought 20K in MAPS, when I login its showing negative Profit but the "Current Value" is higher than 20K. Do you know why is that?

EDIT: I don't see any dividends/income distribution on my account BTW. But to be fair, I invested another 5K onto the same MAPS but its still on processing is the increased "valuation" come from this 5k?

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post Mar 10 2017, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Mar 10 2017, 06:05 PM)
Not based in Singapore, won't be able to join dinner. Pls share what was presented  rclxms.gif
I'm not 100% sure because I've not done a recomputation; but I think you should look at the profit/loss. The current value is before deducting management fee of 0.5% while the profit/loss already took that into consideration

But I might be wrong. Best to check with live help and share here  thumbup.gif
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Yeah sure I RSVP'ed and heard there is going to be dinner rclxms.gif

I seriously don't understand, the current value is ~10% more than what I bought but its posting a 0.15% loss. Anyway, coming from a software engineering background, the FSMOne site is buggy as hell. They messed up my account back then and I have to go to their office to resolve some issue with my password.

Edit: I was hesitant to ask live help as secretly I was hoping its an accounting error, granting me an extra ~10% return in mere ~2 weeks

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post Mar 13 2017, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Mar 12 2017, 10:35 PM)
ohmy.gif That's terrible and unacceptable

I too feel the FSM One site is not as stable as the old plateform. Hope they fix it soon.

10% more than investment cost doesn't seem likely considering you just had it for <1 month; most likely a glitch. Well, u can try to "realise" it by selling off everything and buy in again  rclxs0.gif There's no lock in or transaction cost anyway

Most likely by then they would realise the mistake  whistling.gif
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Yeah I know its not likely as its too good to be true. sad.gif Well yeah I don't want the hassle of trying to selling them off, then didn't get the "glitched" amount, then I have to purchase them all over again. Well I will just leave it probably.

BTW where do I see my dividends payout, if any?
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post Mar 14 2017, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Mar 13 2017, 10:29 AM)
For FSM One? No clue. I suspect they would just reinvest the distributed amount in units.

For FSM unit trust holdings you can see from the monthly statement and distribution vouchers they email you, and also from the historic transactions
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Ahh nvm. Somehow the system "readjust" my current holding and everything is normal now, albeit still at loss.
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post Mar 17 2017, 10:03 AM

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Hi guys, just came back from FSM SG MAPS Seminar yesterday, its a small group closed events (~20 people). Just some sharing, first they talked about MAPS performance since inception. For Balanced, its 3.7% return (Balanced) vs 3.2% (Income), for Moderately Aggressive its 4.4% vs 3.7%, for Aggressive its 4.7% vs 4.0. Pretty good number so far with so follow-up light bashing on jokes on Aderdeen recent years performance.

Then its fund-by-fund analysis by comparing to internal benchmark, nothing I will go into here.

Here comes the main point, there will be the first portfolios rebalancing soon. They will be moving things around by reducing allocation on markets/product they deem unattractive. For instance, they will be fixing ETF due to ETF underperformed, reducing bets on fixed income due to unattractive returns.

Some explanation on upcoming risks, such as upcoming election on German and French and how the new leader going to address immigrants issues is going to play a role, in terms of economic stability.

Okay guys, projected portfolio growth! From Aggressive to Conservative (I may have written down the wrong number for Aggresive). 9.1%, 8.5%, 7.2%, 5.8%, 4.3%.

Funny side note, someone asked about company stability during QNA as iFast were at its all time low yesterday.

P/S. The free dinner is awesome, and I gotta say, the lady who works at iFast is gorgeous af.

Edit: Tagging Ramjade, dasecret

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post Mar 17 2017, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Mar 17 2017, 04:11 PM)
rclxms.gif Thanks for sharing!

Surprised there were only 20 ppl attending. But I think they only open it to ppl who already bought into MAPS, early days I guess.

Did you ask them about the system calculation of your fund value and returns?

What do you mean by 'fixing ETF'? Top up or change to another one?
The projected returns is annualised? 7.2% is good enough for me
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Once they reach a quota they closed down registration already. I RSVP'ed earlier.

You mean the mistake they did last time? No I didn't.

By fixing ETF, I mean they are trying to deallocate from ETF soon, probably during the rebalancing, I told you about as they think their allocation on ETF is overweight and ETF as a whole is unattractive.

Yeap its annualized.

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post Mar 31 2017, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 31 2017, 12:55 PM)
The above is not a Maggi Mee®: Cepat dimasak, sedap dimakan™ lesson. Glad you understand it.

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Very detailed sharing, thanks rclxms.gif



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