hie LYN ICE sifus...

im currently thinking of making some upgrade to my current OEM ICE setup but couldnt really decide what brand shud i choose as my level of ICE is still low ...still a beginner but not completely noob hehehehe ....below are details that might be helpful in order to recommend me something that is above average and sounds good...

probably u all could suggest something in a range of rating of 6.5-8 out of perfect 10, doesnt really need to be as good as 10 perfect ...something better in range of music that i listen and suits the budget i have...

looking for: 1 set of component speaker...
budget: RM800-RM1000...
current setup: just changed the OEM P2 BetaMax HU to Pioneer DEH 3850..other speakers or setup are still stock....no subwoofer, tweeters or amplifier...back speaker i have already disconnected...
vehicle: P2 kelisa...
music type listened: a mix of various type, mostly current latest stuffs...like pop, hiphop, rap, house, dance, a little bit trance, techno, disco, r&b, alternative, normal rock and slow rock, themes, soundtracks and scores....a little bit of everything....but not really in jazz or classical stuffs....
audio direction: i think its SQL...u all decide as im not sure...
remarks: importance of the speaker selection would be more on vocal clarity (as i like to sing-along ...) and clean background music, prefer bass which is not that heart shaking or thumping or boom boom boom, maybe low or deep bass i suppose....preferably temporarily this component set could provide some bass untill i get a amp and sub next year...atleast shud be something that doesnt sound cracky when i crank the volume up....hehehee....

hhmm....this are the details that i can think off u all might be needing ...if there is a need for more details, please ask ....from this component set, in future i wish to add a 2/4 channel amp and sub but that will be next year or so....

any response here would be very appreciated, thanks all.....

This post has been edited by shocker: Dec 8 2006, 11:13 PM

no amp for now ?

since you dun hav an amp now... why dun keep the money and buy it together when you are buying your amp... IMHO component matching is very important... so buy the amp and the component together and get the best match to your ears... this way you can save more for having the right match for your ears...

and well your music preference is kinda hard to determine what suits you the most... mayb something more specific?

cheers...

well, not just to mention having no amp, im still using the crappy OEM BetaMax speakers ....when i crank up the volume, they will start to squeal like a pig during certain songs ...hehehehe....

i tend to see and understand wat is ur point craziechild, but i want to upgrade step by step so atleast i appreciate the upgrades and sound differences better by each time upgrades are done ....if im not mistaken, this is wat most ppl would say to do if budget is a not meeting ICE target...upgrade step by step...hehehehe....

on music preferance, lets just narrow down to pop, hiphop, dance/trance and rock...let me know if something is in range of these genre...

actually maybe u can start wif a pair of entry level focal.. it is g00d wif pop and high tone..

o..
alpine spx-177r.. good wif strong mid and moderate high..

this is what i can recommend... all other folks here can introduce u other brands...

but hope that u can feed back after ur mod.. he! he!

thanks for ur suggestion ....but can u please point out which focal is it? there is quite some focals around...focal polyglass, K2P, access, utopia....

2 years back i listened to rockford fosgate fanatic X 2614 comps in my frens wira ....sound is quite crisp i would say, but since then sure got better speakers leadi....also few mths back i audited a JL audio XR series comps but seems like nothing special ...probably i listened it in a show room.....

wat u guys think of my budget? is it too low or high for a beginner.....probably since just starting out and want some high differences from normal OEM speakers, i shud start low like with boschmann or soundstream and upgrade from there...but then that would be like wasting money a bit rite....

im more like a fan of MTX and RF (used to heard about them) but not sure which would suit me better, worse still which model....not only they are reputable brand but they would look nice on door panel too...hehehehe...

beware of the K2P cause i think those have a lot of imitation of those in the market

i was told last time then between HU, amp and speakers. out of the 3, you get the most difference when changing speakers/drivers compared to the other 2

phase liner sounds good, tested on my friends car
not really a fan of alpine
dun really like focals either to harsh for me

You can try
Helix Blue 6
DLS B6, C6
Alpine SPX-177R

This speaker good for beginner..

yeah, there is various kind of fake ICE stuff around especially in lelong ....and worse still ppl are bidding and paying for such stuff...

u said between HU, amp and speakers, speakers/drivers makes most difference...may i know wat is drivers and, phase liners?

reading from various forum threads, mostly ppl would say go step by step for upgrades if budget is an issue...

step 1: change to a good and reliable HU
step 2: change to a good component set speaker
step 3: install a good 4 channel amplifier
step 4: install a good subwoofer

are u telling me there is another way around perhaps? some ppl tend to install a amp first, then change comps and later change HU...

some even said installing a amplifier improve the sound on their OEM P2 speakers which is kind of made from paper...hehehehe....

hie loon, i tot u recommended last time mb quart? hehehehe... i thought beginner speakers are like those from like BM boschmann or soundstream, care to elaborate...thanks...

another silly question would be, these speakers are within my budget? would it suit the music type i listen? i dont want the speakers to sound like koyak later on...hehehehehe....

Hi brother!
MB Quart in Penang the most cheaper now is RM1k...loh
Mostly MB Quart more than 1k...
so I dun introduce u..

Maybe I recomance you so reasonable price shop ..you go and ask for it loh...

hi bro,
ur sentence above conflicts with each other ...first u said cheapest is RM1K then u said mostly more than RM1K...which one is it ? hehehehee....

besides golden and alpha, where else u recommend ler ...asacar in kulim sounds good, cheaper and professional but far ler...

This post has been edited by shocker: Dec 1 2006, 08:42 PM

I mean most of the shops at pg sold MB Quart Discus more than 1k..
But I found one cheapest around RM1k..
If go to Asacar...maybe can find at RM900 guar

hehehe....cheaper i think can find one...but must make sure they are authentic also since MBQ stuff a lot of fake ones also...

also important is that tuning which most shops lacks around pg ....those well known for tuning are normally expensive but they do good job....

u mind telling me where is ur recommended reasonable price shop ...im thinking of getting a set of good comp in 1-2 weeks time before i head down to KL on mid mth...

can get a good 3-way speakers for RM200 ka??

For old Mb Quart, sure got a lot of imitation...
But If you looking for new DSF216 (red color one), it not yet have any imitation in market.
Most of the shop still carry the DSE216 old MB Quart you have to make sure it have Autocraft sticker or not, but Asacar have DSF216 and have Autocraft sticker because my friend just install it from Asacar few months ago.

For reasonable price shop, I only prefer go to Alpha...
You can also survey & compare the price before purchase...
Sometime the shop sell cheap doesn't mean they have good skill...

bro u mean this one below? so far i didnt came across DSF216 or DSE216....



red u mean of the crossover's PCB color is it ?

hehehe...alpha dat white hair chinese uncle, he recommend me last time for beginner users BM boschmann comps speaker with LA's bolt amps ....but his stuff is some sort limited i would say, he dont keep a lot of stuff around but he say can order ler....

i heard his myvi he did da sound is quite good but i didnt get the chance to listen myself....

DSF216 is the new Discus ....


The DSD216, DSE216 is old version...

My latest setup tuning by the uncle...

looks nice man ....i suppose it sounds nice too ? sorry im a bit new in ICE so didnt realise already got new MBQ comp in market.....

this one u got for RM1K is it ? hows the performance ? i think this new MBQ not yet come out with fake one just yet ...only earlier models so far....

is it true that discus line is like entry level for MBQ ? thanks........l

This post has been edited by shocker: Dec 3 2006, 10:32 PM

drivers = speakers, both are the same, just different name

yup

MB Quart have 4 level speaker
Discus is the beginner speaker
DSF 216


Reference
RVF 216


Premium
PCE 216


Q-line is the high-end for MB Quart
QSD 216

jz inquiry abt BM Boschmann n Soundstream.. good brand/stuff or not???

BM boschmann and soundstream are OK for beginners with tight budget but wants something quite better than their normal OEM speakers ...between BM and SS, i think go for SS better....

hey loon and (N)3, thanks for ur explanation ......but may i ask how much is u got ur new MBQ for? even entry level MBQ also about RM1K rite ??

i never use MB quartz b4
sorry
but most brands entry level stuff is round that price tag

Bro,just wanna share with you that bare in mind that MB Quart's Discuss Line produces rather bright sound.It may not be everyone's liking.

This post has been edited by D_Y2k.4^: Dec 4 2006, 05:25 PM

hehehe...i was asking loon actually...hehehe .......anyway, not all branded stuff entry level is around RM1K...brands like BM and SS around RM300-400.....ive seen MTX and RF comps around the range of RM500-600 ....i guess RM1K entry level stuff must be really good entry level stuff...

yeah Y2K, i heard the very same comment from another fren of mine, he said its tweeters which is too bright...

I'm using that set on my other car and I'm really disappointed with the performance.High pitch frequency is rather disturbing when driving under hot weather condition.

Probably should check out Focal or DLS.

This post has been edited by D_Y2k.4^: Dec 4 2006, 06:09 PM

MB Quart have special crossover can set db...can control the tweeter.
The best way play MB Quart is run active...

MB Quart tweeter bright because it is titanium tweeter ma.. not softdome tweeter.
MB Quart got the way to play.. you can refer Alpha uncle to give advice how to play it...

Becarefull MTX & RF which sell as cheap as RM500 ... It might be imitation...
RF punch component cost around RM1.2k .... If found RM500... It might imitation...

so loon, i ask u again, how much u got ur new MBQ DSF216 ? thanks for the infor on MBQ setup...

last time ive seen the below RF comps set going at RM500-600 at Crystal Sound at Sg 2.....luckily u told me about it...hehehehe...thanks.....

A very funky component.But I think when it comes to sound quality,its better for blasting music IMO.Correct me if I'm wrong

I don't use MB Quart component...
My friend use it...

When u saw the Crystal Sound Sold that RF comp with RM500-600 ?
If RM500- 600 sure he rugi mah..

yeah, looks funky and bulky also ...the magnet so huge I wonder if can fit the door panel... hehehe....I once heard RF FNX2614 in my frens wira.....that was the first time I listened to such clear sound from a car speaker.....it was really good but that is like 2-3 years leadi laa ....rite now no more fanatic X speakers from RF....

loon, as refering to ur quote earlier (as in below)....
that was the reason why i asked u if u got use or install the new MBQ in ur car.....

anyway, why u said he rugi maa....RM500-600 is OK wat for a comp set....isnt it ? saying this so if ppl dont know its fake, he is going to be untung wat...

I saw like 2-3 mths leadi laa .....but Im not that sure also cos at that time I really have no knowledge on ICE, so probably I seen the wrong price tag..sorry for that ...anyway, u can just go and see it ler even tho u have not good experience there before...

This post has been edited by shocker: Dec 5 2006, 02:05 AM

Oh...I don't use MB Quart..... but my ICE lastest setup is from Alpha there... Try a lot of place before finally go back to Alpha... Uncle staging skill nice...

I say rugi, because the market price for RF component around RM1k+ ....
If RF component sold RM500-600 ... it might imitation...or he do the rugi busines lo
Please confirm that is coxial speaker or component... As I know RF power coxial cost around RM600..but RF Power component cost RM2K

bro , some of my frens said that golden is the only one shop in Penang that does ICE tuning using osciloscope , well that depends how much u are willing to spend also ...if the more u can spend, then take do it more nicely and use their advance equipments to do it compared to other shops .....hahahaha.......my frens said they been to many shops in Penang so far but only Golden does it....

on Alpha, the chinese boss there is quite nice fella also ...but then his staff (the malay boys) who is doing the installation most of the time I takut abit ler .....perhaps less experience one ler....if uncle does the installation I dont mind ler try to go to him .....like if u see golden, the old fellas are the only ones doing ICE installation cos they said they afraid to hire other ppl to do it for their customers incase if their staff doesnt do a good job, so this probably will spoil Golden's name.....

on RF comps and coaxs, I will check it out for u tomorrow...Im free in da evening, so will go and see ler .....update u later....but power series is sure better than punch series ....price also nice ler....hehehehe....

I had been Golden few times... but nothing installl there bcoz the Golden lan shi & one more thing i don't like is he try to call me try Agako..omg.. I just sold Agako one...

Haha.. Alpha instaltion done by Malay guy..but tuning done by Uncle...
Audit few car at Alpha before...nice staging

osciloscope not only Golden can... many also can but you don't see only

hehehehe.....hhmm...golden boss talk like dat cos I heard they are IASCA judges ...some more their reputation is good in Penang so maybe thats why they talk like that to u .....to me, wat he said was quite knowledgeble for a newbie like me....same goes for alpha boss...

if alpha boss does tuning, maybe I will give it a try ....does he have the alpine amp and comps that u recommended in earlier posts? last time he recommend lightning audio's bolt amps the yellow color ones...hehehehe...

osciloscope story, I think they will only take it out when they see u willing to spend money...hahahaha....

As I know diference people, the way tuning difference...
Some like add Time Alighment, EQ....on ICE
Some just prefer tuning basic setup only (HU, amp & speaker + xover) without TA & EQ..

osciloscope only show off when their customers need to see show loh...
Saw before Helix amp tuning by using Helix osciloscope..

yeah, u are rite...some ppl use angle management also to get good staging ...hehehe...

anyway, I went to alpha yesterday evening but couldnt be there long enuff cos uncle needs to go for a dinner, ask me to come again another day....he's giving me a non-china made MBQ DSE-216 for a good price that matches my budget quite nicely ...but I havent decide just yet ....also he offered me sound proofing deal for 2 front doors for RM200... overall it was good meeting him cos he is quite knowledgeble and technical in ICE... time well spent for me...

I think I will be going there again in da afternoon or evening today, perhaps will install the sound proofing first to feel the difference first .....then later on decide on which comp speakers as need to test them out yet first rite, maybe will test out speakers today also ler...

on RF comps and coaxs, I couldnt go to crystal sound becos I went elsewhere later so will probably go there today......will let u know then.....

by the way, may I ask why MBQ's tweeters always naked one....I mean like there is no cover made to cover the tweeter unlike other brands in the market....

This post has been edited by shocker: Dec 7 2006, 07:32 AM

MB Quart tweeter have housing as below :


For RF, Uncle is RF expert and have been installing RF more than 10 years...
If buy RF better try at uncle there...maybe price not as cheap as crystal sound...

hey loon, thanks for the pic, that was really helpful.....

I think once Im there, will probably put sound proofing and then test out few comps sets ......thinking of that MBQ, RF and lightning audio......wat u think of lightning audio man ? is it more SPL then SQL? I heard other ppls LA ICE, quite OK also in my book.... .....more so, I heard u took LA woofer from uncle, is it true ?

talk about crystal sound, I think alpha will be better....I rather go somewhere where the installer is technically experience than somewhere where I can get cheaper speakers .....after all, if anyone wants good installation and tuning in ICE, he or she must be prepared to spend da money....

This post has been edited by shocker: Dec 7 2006, 10:28 AM

But RF, MB Quart & LA is dynamic speaker...might suitable for musical..

Maybe you also can try others than that like PHD, DLS, Helix, a/d/s... which difference with Dynamic Speaker

how to classify a dynamic speaker and how different is it a dynamic speaker than other category speaker.....

by the way, I didnt go to alpha today cos sleepy (last nite sleep 3 hrs cos been working nite shifts for the past few days, so today afternoon sleeping )

anyway, I did go to crystal sound ......managed to check the RF speaker.....the power comps cost about RM1800 and power coaxs costs about RM700...the punch comps costs about RM600 but punch coaxs Im not sure...

I saw DLS C6 going for RM620 and B6 for RM680 ......I think both DLS and RF sets can get cheaper a bit since that is the price written on the box but dont expect good tuning and installation like golden or alpha.....

another thing is I dont think those speakers he is selling will be chaplang or fake...

Maybe the tweeter....
btw You have to listen to compare the speaker...

hey loon (yeah, to the only person who is replying me always...kekeke ).....

anyway, I visited ur dear alpha uncle today evening but he was kind of busy cos need to entertain other 3 customer's car so didnt talk to me a lot .....I went there thinking of doing soundproofing for my front 2 doors ended up not doing it.....

anyway, I audited one ICE system he set up for a customer's wira.....mind to say I was not say not really impressed .....not to say he didnt do a good job, the clarity in vocal and musical background was there but overall setup just doesnt suit my ears that well .....when I tried sitting in the back, I can hear light bass power which is OK by me .....when I tried to sit in the front, I hear like the sound is coming from both sites of the speakers but its only louder at one side where Im sitting....

I asked him if the staging is done and he said it is in the centre....I think since this is SQ setup and Im new to this type of setup (used to listen to front OEM speakers loudly), it might not suit me well in this area ......I like clarity in every sense but then to me volume shud be balance on both sides of the door, if one side only then something is wrong with the ears or setup....

so now I am confused, really I am ....I dont even know whether I shud take the comps he's offering to me....he ask me to come tomorow or when Im free to install the soundproofing and probably test out the MBQ DSE216 and others in the car itself.....that is if Im interested in buying .....if after test out I dont like it then how ler ? on top of that the only latest comps he have currently are like MBQ, RF (like those advertised in RF website), LA is only the sub is new one the rest of LA stuff is like old stuff, dragster and BM boschmann (lets not talk about it ler, hehehe)...the rest is so and so only.....

if like this how to decide ler since he dont keep current stocks because he is afraid he cant sell it out, for me if really need to buy need to test out but if stuff is limited then susah to decide, isnt it?....Im really in dilemma now ...cant decide anything, thinking of going elsewhere now also .....wat u think bro, please advice dude or anybody based on my predicament here......

This post has been edited by shocker: Dec 8 2006, 11:17 PM

Actually, for testing ICE you have to bring yours favor CD to listen the music you familiar.... to compare the ICE system can bring you more detail music + vocal like some instrument, vocal ...before & after.
because when you listen the music you haven't listen before you won't know what is the difference before & after mah and also when the instrument got, when the vocal strong.... a lot reason...

Beside other ICE owner taste might not same as you...
Maybe you want bass more low but they maybe not...
Some request vocal more strong, musical less...
Please keep in mind..yours taste diference with other people...
Your ICE must meet yours requirement..not listen the installer say waht & what loh...

This post has been edited by loon1031: Dec 9 2006, 11:14 AM

bro shocker, sometimes what u listen *which u think is clarity* instead is thin or mellow sounding, they lack of warmth n airy.

In ice, u need to compromise, so better choose what type of music u luv most n tune n setup to it. Every components in ice also got their own characteristic, make sure u differentiate it n choose wisely. Choose those products which suits ur ears n not to the taste of installer.

both of u are rite, thanks for that .......but problem is that to really really understand, appreciate, feel and taste the sound would be to test it out in a car and not in a show room.....

but problem with testing in the car would be if lets say u decide not to buy from the installer after testing the ICE, meaning those ICE stuff doesnt match our requirement, then installer would get angry rite cos he setup so hard for our listening then decide not to take it.....

in my case, that could be the situation but as well as not having latest or a lot of comps set to decide ......but the installer is good and technically competent that I feel sorry for him if I go elsewhere...

This post has been edited by shocker: Dec 9 2006, 06:19 PM

bro shocker, u can attend ice tt n audit urself. If u r serious on purchasing, installer should setup whatever needs u want, if they get angry just because u dun like it, then change for another installer.

Bear in mind, what u pay n what u will get, dun expect few hundred rm stuff could over power few thousand rm stuff.

Hey bro,just wanna share with you bout my setup.

I got my MB Quart DSD-216 for RM400 and i bought 2 pairs.After that I installed Dynamat Extreme to my doors and now the bass produced is subwoofer like+_+

So Bro Shocker, already decided liao?

u are rite also, but around here in penang very less ICE TTs so its a bit hard on that part ....if in KL then no problem always got activities like dis all da time...

on installer setups, need to try to go somewhere where I can test/audit and choose a variety of models , otherwise if I go somewhere where models and parts are limited (even though installer is damn good), then probably I cannot stretch my budget limit up to maximum level , meaning I would probably wont get the best deal around, he probably can tune wat he have to wat I want, but I can only get most out of wat speakers he have without comparing to other speakers.....

thanks for sharing ur setup, sound proofing/deading is important too I realise that, but Im confuse whether I shud choose proofing or deading (which is 2 different things)....

refering to ur setup, did u mean the enchanced the comps speakers bass to like a subs bass ?? if u are using an amp, sure that might be the case with the effects of a sound proofing/deading material....

not yet ler bro loon, currently pening kapla thinking of this ....I think I need to go audit more setups around .....probably be heading around penang first before trying to go to asacar in kulim ......my target is by end of the year shud have component set atleast....then follow up by an amp preferably 4 channel one....thanks for ur assistance so far...

Yeap.I'm using an amp to power the speakers and have installed 2 layers of Dynamat on each door.However,the subwoofer like bass is not my liking.Probably it suits better for those SPL users.Can use it to 'cha ge'.Hehehehe

At Penang here, want TT sure can.. but none organize it
Find one day la...We TT... even only 2 ppl...

shocker, try to browse autoworld.com.my ice forum, there r lotsa icer there, like pras, vegatron, twofish n who lots more. or browse mycarhifi.com or gr8tunes.net.

Dy2k4, nope u r wrong, all sq setup will need to soundproof our doors n whole lots more places too. we need low bass for those double bass, drum n piano too.

Thats why u need to know what brand is for spl n what brand is for sq.

hahahaha.....want to do TT between us 2 onli huh ....hehehe...that will be like comparing drain water (which is my setup) and champagne (which is ur setup) ....cant bear the humilation man....

ahboy, I have been browsing those sites since I started to get involve in ICE some few months back, anyway....thank u...

Oh... Not decided yet?

damn, still havent ler ....been thinking of going for american based set rather than european based one since most of the type of music that I listen is US based genre...

wat u think, is it wrong to think this way ? been thinking like LA (new LA of course), RF (perhaps fanatic series) and others....still need to go to asacar and see how ler...

If you prefer dynamic music, you can try US thing..
If you prefer warm muisc, try euro thing

If anyone of u guys coming to kl, pm me in advance, i will organise one ice tt for u guys.

shocker, dun lah paiseh, there is not entry or highend level among icer, we all sharing info n having fun out of it nia, so dun worry bro.

roughly, how does we differenciate dynamic music and warm music.....

welllll in a nut shell
dynamic = lala music
warm = unkle music

haha just joking, no offence guys

hehehehe....I was expecting a good answer but I got a pre-christmas joke

so is it right to say dynamic music is like mainstream music (hip hop, R&B, pop, rock, techno/trance/disco etc etc) while warm is like jazz, classical, orchestrial type of music....

This post has been edited by shocker: Dec 23 2006, 11:43 AM

so guys, after browsing high and low for 1-3 weeks, I think I have roughly made my mind on wat I would like to take...

below is my options but Im not sure which one to take just yet:

alpine type R : RM980
alpine type S : RM680
MBQuart DSF216 : RM980
helix blue 62 : RM680

looking to pair either one of the above component sets to a 4 channel amplifier, perhaps an alpine one since I can get one at less than RM1K...

as for alpine type R and S, Im not sure wat exactly is the model no as there is some 171, 176a, 177 hehehehe...confusing.....

music preferance would be like mentioned before, just would like to add that I prefer my music setup loud and clean with no breaking up at high pitch/frequency...

please advice if there is any better sets than those above ones at about the same price or shud I just take either one of those above ones ...will probably be installing one set dis week or next.....still dok tahan the temptation of new speakers coming soon....

edit: personally prefer alpine sets R or S but need inputs from others...

This post has been edited by shocker: Dec 26 2006, 01:08 PM

alpine type R has a very strong mid bass and the high tone is pretty sharp.. mbquart's well known for it's tweeters but the mid bass is lack.. (applies to the DSD version)

about others.. not sure lia0..

Alpine Speaker mid bass very strong bass...but tweeter lack...Some time the mid bass too bass disturb also..
MB Quart tweeter nice + dynamic ... new one DSF216 mid bass nice also but vocal not so real...
Helix's tweeter & mid bass also match

haha okay a more serious answer
dynamic music refer to music with fast changes in notes/tone
warm music refers to music with slower changes in notes/tone

as for which speakers, i got no opinion as never heard them b4

try a pair of avantgarde, cost around RM700 - RM 800 the last time I was quoted. Not bad, it has nice vocal

http://www.valeraine.com/

i would not recommend alpine unless u can get the Vifa drivers, Type-X or you r getting alpine F1. The new one i heard, doesn't sound good.

up ur budget to get Type X (177a or 177r)
confirm no regret

thanks for ur comments, still undecided for now....

haiya brother, last time u recommend alpine rite ....wat u think of it now ler...I think seriously before buying will need to test out those speakers in the car ler....da other day, tested out in open space.....

dat day, tested few comps set, like RF punch, LA strike and alpine type R, found dat RF punch bass is higher followed by LA strike and lastly alpine type R, but both punch and strike costs more than RM1.3K and RM1.5K respectively , totally out of my budget...

thanks .....this might be the answer I was looking for....rougly u answered like I mentioned before....

thanks for ur comments.....

hehehe, thanks to u also bro .....but dat day was offered type R onli at my budget, dang need to look around again then....

Alpine Type R & S just average...and a bit bass...for SQ only normal le but for dynamic maybe suitable guar.
But Alpine Type X, I think out of your budget range le...
Alpine component Can try find at Asacar with lowest price but have to look for boss le, not his stuft.

LA Strike with cheap price can be found at Alpha there around RM600++ (old model la but brand new)

Helix Blue 62 also can be found at Asacar with low price around RM600++ also.

DLS B6 or DLS R6A also a good choice for SQ which below RM1k...
New DLS MS6A heard people recomance but I not yet hear it and also don't know the price... but the price around RM1K

a/d/s 236i also a good component....

PS : try to listen it by yourself... maybe My taste not suitable you.

This post has been edited by loon1031: Dec 26 2006, 02:57 PM

do u meant that if wanna take R better go for cheaper S since u said just average, u think got huge difference is it ?

Im more into dynamic music then warm, I realised this now....



I think so the same also, but sifu driftmeister said its about RM1K....



do u mean I have to look for asacar's boss/manager.....

the price range I mentioned in few posts back on 4 component sets are based on asacar's pricing brother....thats wat they offered to me...



LA strike I saw at asacar is new one and new model with new LA logo at RM1.5K....u think better take new one or old one if I choose LA instead ?

some ppl would say old is gold but some says old is mold hahahaha.....



yeah, end of the day, it all boils down to whether it fits ur budget and ears...cheers...

So all price is refer ro Asacar price?
Hmm... few months I don't go there...
Go to Asacar should looking for the boss... because the boss can give a lowest price than manager...

For LA stuft, some people say take old model better than new one... because old one made in US loh... new one made in China... But I not sure...
I buy speaker base on my ear + budget...

yeah, the pricing mentioned before this is taken by asacar staffs.....just went there like last week....

boss how to meet him huh? cos go to the shop immediately kena attack by their staffs.....hahahaha

Hehe.. if you know the boss, u may get a good price like me...

waiting for u to recommend ler ....then I can get discount also ler...kekeke...

so talk about alpine type R or S, the new version one got different housing is it like below ?





the ones which I tested and being offered are those with normal honey comb housing but got alpine wording on top, not like these pics ....besides that the crossover housing is not same like in those pics above and their tweeter is not like those standing in da pics above but normal ones flat bed type...

am I being offered old stuff or wat ....thanks for replying...

This post has been edited by shocker: Dec 26 2006, 11:48 PM

what about the z17t? heard it b4? is it the 1 wif the vifa driverS?

sorry.. hijack ur thread for a while..

z17t is the current model F1 ?

i dono... i saw a thread in mycarhifi selling it..

the latest is the z18t..

not sure if it is the latest o the lower end ones

I heard that only type R speakers are made by vifa.....

shocker... just wondering... did your current setup has subwoofer??

Or just a head unit (and waiting to get a nice component speaker... as the topic stated)...

no subwoofer yet bro ....not even an amp also, still using standard setup ...concentrate front setup first then look back, ICE principle is dat benefit urself first then think of others in da back...hahaha...

just got a reasonable HU ler ....cannot say great cos its among entry level HU....works fine to me in my usage...

This post has been edited by shocker: Dec 27 2006, 02:55 AM

like that arr??


You strategy in putting your ICE make me thinking... maybe I shud follow your way instead of trying my best to put in all the component including sub and amp with budget just RM1.5k


How much is your HU btw... and what model issit??



*I think I'm going to up my budget from around RM200 to RM300 for component speakers to maybe RM700 now ... is that OK?? Can get good ones arr?? Eh.. what am I doing hijacking your thread But if you don't mind to answer I really appreciate though

I answered ur question HERE....



price shud be around RM480-500 now, I bought it higher some more ...model no is inside this thread as well, please do a little bit reading and searching first before .....I dont mind helping but u must help urself first also ler...

no problem bro, we learn together with our sifus here...

This post has been edited by shocker: Dec 27 2006, 05:13 PM

as i remember there are 2 ways and 3 ways version of the F1 series
the previous version is made by scans

nope...they arent
only type X are made by vifa

You right...!