hie LYN ICE sifus...

im currently thinking of making some upgrade to my current OEM ICE setup but couldnt really decide what brand shud i choose as my level of ICE is still low ...still a beginner but not completely noob hehehehe ....below are details that might be helpful in order to recommend me something that is above average and sounds good...

probably u all could suggest something in a range of rating of 6.5-8 out of perfect 10, doesnt really need to be as good as 10 perfect ...something better in range of music that i listen and suits the budget i have...

looking for: 1 set of component speaker...
budget: RM800-RM1000...
current setup: just changed the OEM P2 BetaMax HU to Pioneer DEH 3850..other speakers or setup are still stock....no subwoofer, tweeters or amplifier...back speaker i have already disconnected...
vehicle: P2 kelisa...
music type listened: a mix of various type, mostly current latest stuffs...like pop, hiphop, rap, house, dance, a little bit trance, techno, disco, r&b, alternative, normal rock and slow rock, themes, soundtracks and scores....a little bit of everything....but not really in jazz or classical stuffs....
audio direction: i think its SQL...u all decide as im not sure...
remarks: importance of the speaker selection would be more on vocal clarity (as i like to sing-along ...) and clean background music, prefer bass which is not that heart shaking or thumping or boom boom boom, maybe low or deep bass i suppose....preferably temporarily this component set could provide some bass untill i get a amp and sub next year...atleast shud be something that doesnt sound cracky when i crank the volume up....hehehee....

hhmm....this are the details that i can think off u all might be needing ...if there is a need for more details, please ask ....from this component set, in future i wish to add a 2/4 channel amp and sub but that will be next year or so....

any response here would be very appreciated, thanks all.....

This post has been edited by shocker: Dec 8 2006, 11:13 PM

well, not just to mention having no amp, im still using the crappy OEM BetaMax speakers ....when i crank up the volume, they will start to squeal like a pig during certain songs ...hehehehe....

i tend to see and understand wat is ur point craziechild, but i want to upgrade step by step so atleast i appreciate the upgrades and sound differences better by each time upgrades are done ....if im not mistaken, this is wat most ppl would say to do if budget is a not meeting ICE target...upgrade step by step...hehehehe....

on music preferance, lets just narrow down to pop, hiphop, dance/trance and rock...let me know if something is in range of these genre...

thanks for ur suggestion ....but can u please point out which focal is it? there is quite some focals around...focal polyglass, K2P, access, utopia....

2 years back i listened to rockford fosgate fanatic X 2614 comps in my frens wira ....sound is quite crisp i would say, but since then sure got better speakers leadi....also few mths back i audited a JL audio XR series comps but seems like nothing special ...probably i listened it in a show room.....

wat u guys think of my budget? is it too low or high for a beginner.....probably since just starting out and want some high differences from normal OEM speakers, i shud start low like with boschmann or soundstream and upgrade from there...but then that would be like wasting money a bit rite....

im more like a fan of MTX and RF (used to heard about them) but not sure which would suit me better, worse still which model....not only they are reputable brand but they would look nice on door panel too...hehehehe...

yeah, there is various kind of fake ICE stuff around especially in lelong ....and worse still ppl are bidding and paying for such stuff...

u said between HU, amp and speakers, speakers/drivers makes most difference...may i know wat is drivers and, phase liners?

reading from various forum threads, mostly ppl would say go step by step for upgrades if budget is an issue...

step 1: change to a good and reliable HU
step 2: change to a good component set speaker
step 3: install a good 4 channel amplifier
step 4: install a good subwoofer

are u telling me there is another way around perhaps? some ppl tend to install a amp first, then change comps and later change HU...

some even said installing a amplifier improve the sound on their OEM P2 speakers which is kind of made from paper...hehehehe....

hie loon, i tot u recommended last time mb quart? hehehehe... i thought beginner speakers are like those from like BM boschmann or soundstream, care to elaborate...thanks...

another silly question would be, these speakers are within my budget? would it suit the music type i listen? i dont want the speakers to sound like koyak later on...hehehehehe....

hi bro,
ur sentence above conflicts with each other ...first u said cheapest is RM1K then u said mostly more than RM1K...which one is it ? hehehehee....

besides golden and alpha, where else u recommend ler ...asacar in kulim sounds good, cheaper and professional but far ler...

This post has been edited by shocker: Dec 1 2006, 08:42 PM

hehehe....cheaper i think can find one...but must make sure they are authentic also since MBQ stuff a lot of fake ones also...

also important is that tuning which most shops lacks around pg ....those well known for tuning are normally expensive but they do good job....

u mind telling me where is ur recommended reasonable price shop ...im thinking of getting a set of good comp in 1-2 weeks time before i head down to KL on mid mth...

bro u mean this one below? so far i didnt came across DSF216 or DSE216....



red u mean of the crossover's PCB color is it ?

hehehe...alpha dat white hair chinese uncle, he recommend me last time for beginner users BM boschmann comps speaker with LA's bolt amps ....but his stuff is some sort limited i would say, he dont keep a lot of stuff around but he say can order ler....

i heard his myvi he did da sound is quite good but i didnt get the chance to listen myself....

looks nice man ....i suppose it sounds nice too ? sorry im a bit new in ICE so didnt realise already got new MBQ comp in market.....

this one u got for RM1K is it ? hows the performance ? i think this new MBQ not yet come out with fake one just yet ...only earlier models so far....

is it true that discus line is like entry level for MBQ ? thanks........l

This post has been edited by shocker: Dec 3 2006, 10:32 PM

BM boschmann and soundstream are OK for beginners with tight budget but wants something quite better than their normal OEM speakers ...between BM and SS, i think go for SS better....

hey loon and (N)3, thanks for ur explanation ......but may i ask how much is u got ur new MBQ for? even entry level MBQ also about RM1K rite ??

hehehe...i was asking loon actually...hehehe .......anyway, not all branded stuff entry level is around RM1K...brands like BM and SS around RM300-400.....ive seen MTX and RF comps around the range of RM500-600 ....i guess RM1K entry level stuff must be really good entry level stuff...

yeah Y2K, i heard the very same comment from another fren of mine, he said its tweeters which is too bright...

so loon, i ask u again, how much u got ur new MBQ DSF216 ? thanks for the infor on MBQ setup...

last time ive seen the below RF comps set going at RM500-600 at Crystal Sound at Sg 2.....luckily u told me about it...hehehehe...thanks.....

yeah, looks funky and bulky also ...the magnet so huge I wonder if can fit the door panel... hehehe....I once heard RF FNX2614 in my frens wira.....that was the first time I listened to such clear sound from a car speaker.....it was really good but that is like 2-3 years leadi laa ....rite now no more fanatic X speakers from RF....

loon, as refering to ur quote earlier (as in below)....
that was the reason why i asked u if u got use or install the new MBQ in ur car.....

anyway, why u said he rugi maa....RM500-600 is OK wat for a comp set....isnt it ? saying this so if ppl dont know its fake, he is going to be untung wat...

I saw like 2-3 mths leadi laa .....but Im not that sure also cos at that time I really have no knowledge on ICE, so probably I seen the wrong price tag..sorry for that ...anyway, u can just go and see it ler even tho u have not good experience there before...

This post has been edited by shocker: Dec 5 2006, 02:05 AM

bro , some of my frens said that golden is the only one shop in Penang that does ICE tuning using osciloscope , well that depends how much u are willing to spend also ...if the more u can spend, then take do it more nicely and use their advance equipments to do it compared to other shops .....hahahaha.......my frens said they been to many shops in Penang so far but only Golden does it....

on Alpha, the chinese boss there is quite nice fella also ...but then his staff (the malay boys) who is doing the installation most of the time I takut abit ler .....perhaps less experience one ler....if uncle does the installation I dont mind ler try to go to him .....like if u see golden, the old fellas are the only ones doing ICE installation cos they said they afraid to hire other ppl to do it for their customers incase if their staff doesnt do a good job, so this probably will spoil Golden's name.....

on RF comps and coaxs, I will check it out for u tomorrow...Im free in da evening, so will go and see ler .....update u later....but power series is sure better than punch series ....price also nice ler....hehehehe....

hehehehe.....hhmm...golden boss talk like dat cos I heard they are IASCA judges ...some more their reputation is good in Penang so maybe thats why they talk like that to u .....to me, wat he said was quite knowledgeble for a newbie like me....same goes for alpha boss...

if alpha boss does tuning, maybe I will give it a try ....does he have the alpine amp and comps that u recommended in earlier posts? last time he recommend lightning audio's bolt amps the yellow color ones...hehehehe...

osciloscope story, I think they will only take it out when they see u willing to spend money...hahahaha....

yeah, u are rite...some ppl use angle management also to get good staging ...hehehe...

anyway, I went to alpha yesterday evening but couldnt be there long enuff cos uncle needs to go for a dinner, ask me to come again another day....he's giving me a non-china made MBQ DSE-216 for a good price that matches my budget quite nicely ...but I havent decide just yet ....also he offered me sound proofing deal for 2 front doors for RM200... overall it was good meeting him cos he is quite knowledgeble and technical in ICE... time well spent for me...

I think I will be going there again in da afternoon or evening today, perhaps will install the sound proofing first to feel the difference first .....then later on decide on which comp speakers as need to test them out yet first rite, maybe will test out speakers today also ler...

on RF comps and coaxs, I couldnt go to crystal sound becos I went elsewhere later so will probably go there today......will let u know then.....

by the way, may I ask why MBQ's tweeters always naked one....I mean like there is no cover made to cover the tweeter unlike other brands in the market....

This post has been edited by shocker: Dec 7 2006, 07:32 AM

hey loon, thanks for the pic, that was really helpful.....

I think once Im there, will probably put sound proofing and then test out few comps sets ......thinking of that MBQ, RF and lightning audio......wat u think of lightning audio man ? is it more SPL then SQL? I heard other ppls LA ICE, quite OK also in my book.... .....more so, I heard u took LA woofer from uncle, is it true ?

talk about crystal sound, I think alpha will be better....I rather go somewhere where the installer is technically experience than somewhere where I can get cheaper speakers .....after all, if anyone wants good installation and tuning in ICE, he or she must be prepared to spend da money....

This post has been edited by shocker: Dec 7 2006, 10:28 AM

how to classify a dynamic speaker and how different is it a dynamic speaker than other category speaker.....

by the way, I didnt go to alpha today cos sleepy (last nite sleep 3 hrs cos been working nite shifts for the past few days, so today afternoon sleeping )

anyway, I did go to crystal sound ......managed to check the RF speaker.....the power comps cost about RM1800 and power coaxs costs about RM700...the punch comps costs about RM600 but punch coaxs Im not sure...

I saw DLS C6 going for RM620 and B6 for RM680 ......I think both DLS and RF sets can get cheaper a bit since that is the price written on the box but dont expect good tuning and installation like golden or alpha.....

another thing is I dont think those speakers he is selling will be chaplang or fake...

hey loon (yeah, to the only person who is replying me always...kekeke ).....

anyway, I visited ur dear alpha uncle today evening but he was kind of busy cos need to entertain other 3 customer's car so didnt talk to me a lot .....I went there thinking of doing soundproofing for my front 2 doors ended up not doing it.....

anyway, I audited one ICE system he set up for a customer's wira.....mind to say I was not say not really impressed .....not to say he didnt do a good job, the clarity in vocal and musical background was there but overall setup just doesnt suit my ears that well .....when I tried sitting in the back, I can hear light bass power which is OK by me .....when I tried to sit in the front, I hear like the sound is coming from both sites of the speakers but its only louder at one side where Im sitting....

I asked him if the staging is done and he said it is in the centre....I think since this is SQ setup and Im new to this type of setup (used to listen to front OEM speakers loudly), it might not suit me well in this area ......I like clarity in every sense but then to me volume shud be balance on both sides of the door, if one side only then something is wrong with the ears or setup....

so now I am confused, really I am ....I dont even know whether I shud take the comps he's offering to me....he ask me to come tomorow or when Im free to install the soundproofing and probably test out the MBQ DSE216 and others in the car itself.....that is if Im interested in buying .....if after test out I dont like it then how ler ? on top of that the only latest comps he have currently are like MBQ, RF (like those advertised in RF website), LA is only the sub is new one the rest of LA stuff is like old stuff, dragster and BM boschmann (lets not talk about it ler, hehehe)...the rest is so and so only.....

if like this how to decide ler since he dont keep current stocks because he is afraid he cant sell it out, for me if really need to buy need to test out but if stuff is limited then susah to decide, isnt it?....Im really in dilemma now ...cant decide anything, thinking of going elsewhere now also .....wat u think bro, please advice dude or anybody based on my predicament here......

This post has been edited by shocker: Dec 8 2006, 11:17 PM

both of u are rite, thanks for that .......but problem is that to really really understand, appreciate, feel and taste the sound would be to test it out in a car and not in a show room.....

but problem with testing in the car would be if lets say u decide not to buy from the installer after testing the ICE, meaning those ICE stuff doesnt match our requirement, then installer would get angry rite cos he setup so hard for our listening then decide not to take it.....

in my case, that could be the situation but as well as not having latest or a lot of comps set to decide ......but the installer is good and technically competent that I feel sorry for him if I go elsewhere...

This post has been edited by shocker: Dec 9 2006, 06:19 PM

u are rite also, but around here in penang very less ICE TTs so its a bit hard on that part ....if in KL then no problem always got activities like dis all da time...

on installer setups, need to try to go somewhere where I can test/audit and choose a variety of models , otherwise if I go somewhere where models and parts are limited (even though installer is damn good), then probably I cannot stretch my budget limit up to maximum level , meaning I would probably wont get the best deal around, he probably can tune wat he have to wat I want, but I can only get most out of wat speakers he have without comparing to other speakers.....

thanks for sharing ur setup, sound proofing/deading is important too I realise that, but Im confuse whether I shud choose proofing or deading (which is 2 different things)....

refering to ur setup, did u mean the enchanced the comps speakers bass to like a subs bass ?? if u are using an amp, sure that might be the case with the effects of a sound proofing/deading material....

not yet ler bro loon, currently pening kapla thinking of this ....I think I need to go audit more setups around .....probably be heading around penang first before trying to go to asacar in kulim ......my target is by end of the year shud have component set atleast....then follow up by an amp preferably 4 channel one....thanks for ur assistance so far...