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 Capital A Berhad /AirAsia (5099), Asia's largest LCC group

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icemanfx
post Apr 17 2020, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Apr 17 2020, 02:44 PM)
How to take action. The direct person involve say keep away but what about his relatives his friends his drivers family. Lol.
But funny enough there r ppl who takes this opportunity to sell
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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Apr 17 2020, 02:49 PM)
But honestly say tony gets a funding , a soft loan announce it. How valuable is that news
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The difference is AK could commence operation after lockdown.
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post Apr 17 2020, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Apr 17 2020, 03:29 PM)
lockdown is an unknown isnt it. nobody knows how long it will last
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For certain CFO will include buffer. Loan obtained doesn't mean need to drawdown all.
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post Apr 18 2020, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 18 2020, 08:10 AM)
Main issue is this....

WHY???

Think logically. So say, miraculously we are all good by end of month. Ok? Assume.

But then... Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines and India. Countries proposed. How safe will they be?

AA fly ppl there..and when they return... what if virus is brought back?

Dare say not possible?

Shall we risk infections all over again?

Mau MCO again? One more time?
The more I think about it, the more pissed off i am. This sounds utterly selfish act by AirAsia.
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Export is over half of malaysia gdp, cross border trade is important to the economy. unless the country is willing to suffer prolong and deep recession, border will need to open.

with porous border with indonesia and thailand, even if all foreign arrivals by official channels are quarantine for 14 days, there will still be imported new cases. it is a waste of resources and effort to prolong lock down.

until herd immunity is reached either by vaccine or infection, outbreak is almost certain will occur again and lockdown reimposed. welcome to our new way of life.

This post has been edited by icemanfx: Apr 18 2020, 11:59 AM
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post Apr 18 2020, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(VincentCS @ Apr 18 2020, 12:30 PM)
Look on the brighter-ish side. Msia is not major financial hub, majority of Economic activities are fueled by SMEs instead of highly leveraged one like EU or US. Once this pandemic is relatively contained (which won't be for a while) , economy will start back up.

The verdict is out isn't it? Not guilty right
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6 weeks of MCO mean loss of >10% working days for the year. If what is happening in China today is going to happen here later e.g substantial drop in revenue, many sme will close shop.

This economic recession will be worse and longer than 97 AFC.
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post Apr 18 2020, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 18 2020, 12:49 PM)
Oh yes. One day the pandemic will be contained but it is way too soon and way to reckless for AirAsia to announce they will start flying.

Think about it. They are announcing that they are open for business when they have yet to get approval from authorities. What does this say? Are they bigger than the govt? What if the MCO is extended and what if some folks bought tickets only to find out they cannot fly? Will AA then ular here and there and then ask customers to accept credit refund?? Isn't this an unscrupulous marketing? No give govt face ah? Just like last time govt say cannot charge users for using credit cards but yet, AA blatantly continued with their charges....

The verdict was given by bdo governance advisory sdn Bhd. This company was hired by AA itself. So what kind of verdict, is that?
If AA not guilty then why Airbus so stupid and paid the fines?

All said, it is most important we kill the virus 110%. There can be no relapse. A relapse will wipe us out surely!!!!!

Can you imagine another MCO? Just because AA decided it wants to save itself by flying again.......
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Ak could only resume international flights with gomen approval e.g China permit once weekly flight to major cities. Some organizations may receive information or gomen inclination before the average Joe.

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icemanfx
post Jul 6 2020, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jul 6 2020, 08:32 PM)
https://www.malaymail.com/news/money/2020/0...eakeven/1882027

AA posted 800mil loss for Q1 only 🤭
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Q2 will be worse.

icemanfx
post Jul 7 2020, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jul 7 2020, 01:42 PM)
Never learn from its mistakes, no?
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As oil price is volatile. In order to control their opex, almost every airlines hedge their fuel, Forex and interest rate.

QUOTE(ZeroSOFInfinity @ Jul 7 2020, 03:21 PM)
In short, whoever holds AA shares until Q2 report comes out = needs their head checked?
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post Jul 7 2020, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(LoTek @ Jul 7 2020, 07:54 PM)
KUALA LUMPUR (July 7): AirAsia Group Bhd’s external auditor has issued an unqualified audit opinion on the material uncertainty relating to the group’s going concern, in view of the current economic condition and Covid-19 pandemic.

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/aira...g-going-concern
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May need bankruptcy protection.
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post Jul 8 2020, 06:54 PM

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If gomen could spent over RM 8bn and RM 800m p.a in last few years on zombie Malaysia airlines; for certain, the gomen could spare RM 2bn to bail out air Asia.

Like all bailout, existing shareholders will be diluted. Khazanah could offload it's holding in open market later and gradually.
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post Jul 9 2020, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Jul 9 2020, 08:57 AM)
1MDB is backed by assets despite all the negative propoganda. AirAsia doesn't even own a single plane (or already sold off most of it) !
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Castle in the air assets.
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post Jul 9 2020, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Jul 9 2020, 09:21 AM)
Didn't know bandar malaysia and TRX can float laugh.gif
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How much of these in total portfolio? what about oil field in capsian sea or what not?

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post Jul 9 2020, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Jul 9 2020, 10:30 AM)
I dont get why people like to buy debt and liabilities. But seemed market is telling us people really do like it.

I guess just the brand name of airasia is worth few billions of intrinsic value.
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post Jul 9 2020, 02:25 PM

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banks is unlikely to extend any meaningful loan to aagb.

not that the market is short of funding. believe tf could secure funding. the question is how much hair cut current creditor and dilution current shareholders need to take.

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post Jul 11 2020, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jul 11 2020, 11:12 AM)
... and he's still not addressing the core issue.

AA was built on debts. All the problems AA is facing is cos he got greedy and expanded too rapidly, borrowing way beyond its means to built brand name.

And when a house of a cards is built too high.. it collapses.

Does AA deserve the second chance?
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QUOTE(prozfromhell @ Jul 11 2020, 12:10 PM)
Nope. Let them game over and close down
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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Jul 11 2020, 04:41 PM)
They cant / refuse to pay airport tax. Big red flag.
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Should close zombie company like Malaysia airlines rather than one was financially feasible.

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post Jul 12 2020, 10:55 AM

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Most if not all malaysia airlines aircraft are leased like air asia, loss about rm800m every year, has no prospect to breakeven or profit consistently in the foreseeable future and tax payers have lost over rm 8bn, why not close it down first?

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post Jul 12 2020, 06:12 PM

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Returning excess equity to shareholders via either buy back or dividend is fairly common practice.

ROCE is a yardstick use by many fund managers.

Under current situation, no white knight will consider without massive devaluation of existing share value.

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post Jul 13 2020, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jul 13 2020, 09:19 AM)
The truth is out there.......
That article from the Edgemarkets has one very important point....

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/aira...-shareholders-0
That part in bold...

Bursa had to extend that special privilege placement 4 times and that it required boss 1 and boss 2 to borrow!!

Empat kali lo...

Borrow to buy the new shares... 559 million new shares .... the share were priced at 1.80.

The dividends since Jan 2017... ie the dividends since these 559 million shares were issued...

user posted image

Total dividends given out since then.... 178 sen!!

WOW!!

Borrow to fund 559 million shares at 1.80. Get back 1.78 in dividends per share.

Not to forget the direct shares they had.... Boss 1 had 1,600,000 shares. Boss 2 had 2,000,000 shares

( source:
https://www.bursamalaysia.com/market_inform...?ann_id=2732191
https://www.bursamalaysia.com/market_inform...?ann_id=2732190
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So would I be wrong to say the following... when AA had excess money, boss 1 and boss 2 would die die borrow to buy new shares in the company so can profit from the dividends...
and now the company is in dire straits.... why boss 1 and boss 2 no want to die die borrow to buy new shares in the company to save it?

and then... when we think about it...
AirAsia had the money...
Yes they had the money, which came from all the disposal of planes but they gave most of it away as dividends...
now.. they want to borrow?

whose fault? wanna to blame covid 19 meh? how about calling it as it? Mismanagement by boss 1 and boss 2!!!
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post Aug 28 2020, 03:22 PM

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The Thai government is set to offer 24 billion baht ($769 million) in loans to seven local airlines to help them counter the blow from the coronavirus outbreak as authorities firm up plans to revive tourism by gradually easing travel restrictions.

The seven airlines set to receive financial aid from the government include AirAsia Group Bhd.’s Thai AirAsia and its long-haul unit, Thai AirAsia X, Bangkok Airways Pcl, Nok Airlines, Thai Smile Airways Co. Ltd., Thai Lion Air and Thai Vietjet Air.

https://www.bloomberg.com/asia

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post Sep 10 2020, 03:05 AM

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QUOTE(KCY3701 @ Sep 9 2020, 11:23 PM)
This stock until when can I break even? I'm stuck at 1.20. See paper loss every night cannot sleep. 2021? 2022?
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2023 or beyond provided creditors don't pull the plug before hand.
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post Sep 10 2020, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Sep 10 2020, 10:09 AM)
depends on how long the travel ban is gonna be. if next year also cannot travel then gg loh.

don't forget some of the non-current liabilities may turn into current liabilities for the coming FY.

in view of this, there could be more creditors piling up as time goes by.

i'd say, they may die even faster (figuratively).
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ak business model is feasible and profitable. unless the gomen wanted to kill it, it will survive. however, they may curtail tf's role.


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