Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

9 Pages « < 4 5 6 7 8 > » Bottom

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 Capital A Berhad /AirAsia (5099), Asia's largest LCC group

views
     
Boon3
post Apr 13 2020, 01:14 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
15,942 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(yhtan @ Apr 13 2020, 12:37 PM)
That hedging on currency i tak tau lah laugh.gif

But fuel hedging remain as the same issue at year 2008, i remember Tony hedge it when oil price at peak at year 2007 $100, 2008 financial crisis oil price drop gao gao, MAS also did hedging but they cut loss in one shot, Airasia opted not to cut loss in one shot and honour the contract when it is due. That time AA still able to sell future ticket and having cash flowing in. This time, not much of cash flowing in for sure.

Based on the CIMB research by Raymond Yap, he wrote a well piece of advices there, he was criticise Tony for going asset light model business. When asking for government loan, why not he chip in private placement since both of them already got RM5bil dividend from the sales and leaseback.

The government also headache who to save, for sure they will prioritize MAS.
*
LOL. I guess I am not the only one bashing AA then. tongue.gif

When you go asset like, I feel that the most important asset left is the cash. That's the last line of defence. But no, AA shot itself in the groin when it decided to give away 5 billion as special dividend. Now it wants help? What's the Cantonese phrase 'Deserve to die'?

Rights issue is one way out. But when you look at the shareholder structure.. Tony and his sidekick, owns more than 60% of AA directly/indirectly. So are these 2 jokers (who benefited the most from the 5 billion special dividend) willing to fork out the money to safe their company? Or do they still believe that Other People Money will save their ass?

They could do a placement of shares to raise money but who would want to buy in an asset light company? And more so in a period such as now when air travel is almost dead for dunno how long....

Boon3
post Apr 13 2020, 02:31 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
15,942 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(yhtan @ Apr 13 2020, 02:08 PM)
Bank will unlikely finance them at this current moment, it is way too high risk, unless u have government as guarantor lah. So the 2 viable options is right issue and private placement to increase their cash holdings.

Remember back in early 2017 tony & kamaruddin did the private placement at RM1.80 per share, it cost them RM1bil and their shareholding increase to 32.18%. Count from there there is total of RM1.30 special dividend and RM0.48 interim & final dividend, make it total of RM1.9bil they received in this 3 years. If he has sincerity, he should call for private placement from their own pocket at least half billion, then seek for government loan or maybe private placement from EPF.

https://ir.airasia.com/major_shareholder.html

http://www.klsescreener.com/v2/stocks/view...ia-group-berhad

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/aira...or-shareholders

Actually i am quite against they going for asset light model, their cost will increase because lessor will need to earn a margin from it.
*
Sincerity? Lol. Let's sit and watch then.
Boon3
post Apr 13 2020, 02:34 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
15,942 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(yhtan @ Apr 13 2020, 02:08 PM)
Bank will unlikely finance them at this current moment, it is way too high risk, unless u have government as guarantor lah. So the 2 viable options is right issue and private placement to increase their cash holdings.

Remember back in early 2017 tony & kamaruddin did the private placement at RM1.80 per share, it cost them RM1bil and their shareholding increase to 32.18%. Count from there there is total of RM1.30 special dividend and RM0.48 interim & final dividend, make it total of RM1.9bil they received in this 3 years. If he has sincerity, he should call for private placement from their own pocket at least half billion, then seek for government loan or maybe private placement from EPF.

https://ir.airasia.com/major_shareholder.html

http://www.klsescreener.com/v2/stocks/view...ia-group-berhad

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/aira...or-shareholders

Actually i am quite against they going for asset light model, their cost will increase because lessor will need to earn a margin from it.
*
BTW... which is why I am totally against the bailout. Those 2 owns the big chunk of share. Why should govt bailout the 2 big fat cat?

Boon3
post Apr 14 2020, 07:45 AM

10k Club
********
All Stars
15,942 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(yhtan @ Apr 13 2020, 12:37 PM)
That hedging on currency i tak tau lah laugh.gif

But fuel hedging remain as the same issue at year 2008, i remember Tony hedge it when oil price at peak at year 2007 $100, 2008 financial crisis oil price drop gao gao, MAS also did hedging but they cut loss in one shot, Airasia opted not to cut loss in one shot and honour the contract when it is due. That time AA still able to sell future ticket and having cash flowing in. This time, not much of cash flowing in for sure.

Based on the CIMB research by Raymond Yap, he wrote a well piece of advices there, he was criticise Tony for going asset light model business. When asking for government loan, why not he chip in private placement since both of them already got RM5bil dividend from the sales and leaseback.

The government also headache who to save, for sure they will prioritize MAS.
*
Anyway kasi you know la... laugh.gif


user posted image

Those are big numbers. Let's see what happens next 2 quarters.

Many had already stressed that AA gambles way too much on its hedging. I had asked before is AA an airlines or a company that gambles with its hedges....
Boon3
post Apr 14 2020, 03:13 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
15,942 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 14 2020, 02:58 PM)
Fuel is about 10% to 15% of airlines opex. Airlines only hedge at price that they could be operate profitably. Spot price cheaper than hedging only mean they couldn't take advantage of lower and cheaper price for higher operating profit. Similarly, if ak hedging policy is consistent, they will benefit if oil price rise next year.
*
1. First, please know I am only talking about AirAsia and not other airlines. So stop your pointless comparisons.

2. Do at least try to read up or Google AirAsia past history. Airasia had gambled heavily and lost before. It was in the news before. Leopards don't lose its spots.
Boon3
post Apr 14 2020, 03:49 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
15,942 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 14 2020, 03:28 PM)
Every prudent airlines hedge their fuel and Forex. Similar fuel hedging consequences apply to ak as well as other airlines. Hedge gain when price rise, loss when price drop. As long as they consume all the contract, only mean higher opex.
*
Do you ever try to use Google?

laugh.gif

Kthxbye
Boon3
post Apr 14 2020, 06:48 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
15,942 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 9 2020, 10:24 AM)
One more thought....

That capital commitment of new fei kei...ie... the reckless buying of airplanes by Tony... which caused its supplier, Airbus to be charged with bribery corruption.....
in 2016, as noted in the posting, the capital commitment to buy new fei kei was 86 Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions.

end 2019... as reported by AA itself .... that figure is now 99 Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions.

Can you say 99 Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions???

Now here's another kicker...... since then the ringgit has now plunged to 4.3++ ....

which means the reckless boss has now committed AirAsia to buy 100 Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions of airplanes.....
You wanna the govt to bailout such a reckless company?  ohmy.gif

So with Khazanah (or the govt itself) in deep trouble with MAS, who probably needs a massive injection of cash.... why would the govt involve itself with AA?
Govt so rich ka? Can baioult 2 airplanes company? Oh, then Malindo how? Can it qualify too ah?

With all airplanes not flying, MAHB should also be hurting big time? Does it need a bailout too ah?

Bursa also plenty of company needing bailout help.... bailout them too?

rolleyes.gif
*
The 99 Beeeeeeeeeeeeloiiiiiins screenshot.

[url=https://pictr.com/image/5qDfLY]

user posted image[/url]

This should be over 100 Beeeeeeeee come the next qr in May.

Next qr May, shouldn't matter cos the qr is for the period Dec-Feb.
The worrying rpt should be the one in Aug.
Boon3
post Apr 14 2020, 07:29 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
15,942 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(Raymond_ACCA @ Apr 14 2020, 07:08 PM)
Nope. Delta have their own refinery, Spirit does not hedge, Southwest hedge very very minimal. In the past Airlines used to hedge heavily and have been criticised heavily and also had lots of financial losses. The industry has evolved since the overhedging days of the early 2000s
*
AA was hit bad with heavy hedging losses back in 2009 (iinm) and it seems he hadn't learned from his past mistakes. Featured articles on the Edge criticised him saying his hedging was way too speculative. OSK and CIMB research back then criticised that the hedges were way too risky.

Hedges are generally a good way to minimise risk but then hedges are easily abused that many used it as a way to gamble. So many ways to hedge and with AA hedging in the fuel, interest rates and currency it is simply mad that there isn't enough disclosures on their hedges. What type of hedges are they making, at what prices? How do they value their hedges? This is a massive concern for those invested in the stock.
Boon3
post Apr 14 2020, 07:35 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
15,942 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(Raymond_ACCA @ Apr 14 2020, 07:11 PM)
Lol, I bet many who bought AA shares didn’t notice this. And AA never even bother mentioning this in their quarterly commentary. 100bil of commitment when their annual operating cash flows is not even 10% of it.
*
Simple questions I can raise...

1. Why all ordered from 1 supplier, Airbus?

2. Yeah, delivery is staggered but why do many planes ordered??

Now when I read how they ordered that 300 planes in 2011 when their existing plane order was more than 200 planes... what logical thinking is there to order that many planes?

And now we know what happened the next year with Airbus making 50 usd million sports sponsorship to teams that AirAsia does not own. Yeah Airbus paid billions in fines fir the bribery charges.

Kinda make sense now, ya?
Boon3
post Apr 17 2020, 05:53 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
15,942 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(Zoo Howl @ Apr 17 2020, 05:45 PM)
Heres the screenshot
*
https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...hts-by-april-29

So AA is flying selected routes. All problems solved???
Boon3
post Apr 17 2020, 07:05 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
15,942 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(Zoo Howl @ Apr 17 2020, 06:59 PM)
Not sure. But i think still not safe to travel though.
*
And a lot of countries listed has that ** attached.

Yeah, it's open for booking but given the recent hooha over the 499 promo, travellers probably need to understand the risk before booking. What if book and then cannot fly, ie our MCO unexpectedly drags on? What if the other destination countries does not approve? What kind of rebate is AA offering? Free credits again?

just thinking out loud. Not interested on how the stick is trading.
Boon3
post Apr 17 2020, 08:06 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
15,942 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(zacknistelrooy @ Apr 17 2020, 07:56 PM)
AirAsia knows their customer base really well.

In a year or so if they are still here, most will be forgotten and people will go back if the COVID situation improves.

An AirAsia pilot once told me it is the customer responsibility to read all the fine print and it doesn't matter if there is deceptive marketing practice.

This is a company that have been fined for misleading ticket prices but went on their ways.
This round is going to be an interesting social experiment if people really bother about all of these stuff
*
Well... exactly.

The minute I read the 499 offer, I felt it was really dodgy.

I am feeling the same thing now.


Boon3
post Apr 18 2020, 08:10 AM

10k Club
********
All Stars
15,942 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(zacknistelrooy @ Apr 17 2020, 07:56 PM)
AirAsia knows their customer base really well.

In a year or so if they are still here, most will be forgotten and people will go back if the COVID situation improves.

An AirAsia pilot once told me it is the customer responsibility to read all the fine print and it doesn't matter if there is deceptive marketing practice.

This is a company that have been fined for misleading ticket prices but went on their ways.
This round is going to be an interesting social experiment if people really bother about all of these stuff
*
Main issue is this....

WHY???

Think logically. So say, miraculously we are all good by end of month. Ok? Assume.

But then... Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines and India. Countries proposed. How safe will they be?

AA fly ppl there..and when they return... what if virus is brought back?

Dare say not possible?

Shall we risk infections all over again?

Mau MCO again? One more time?


The more I think about it, the more pissed off i am. This sounds utterly selfish act by AirAsia.
Boon3
post Apr 18 2020, 11:30 AM

10k Club
********
All Stars
15,942 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(VincentCS @ Apr 18 2020, 09:37 AM)
Top of the Morning to ya!

Seriously, I've couples of your post, very solid reasoning, learnt a few things. But I must say you put way too much hope on average stock pickers.

Since when do we have so many reasonings lmao. Most just day trades in the hope of hitting jackpots...Others speculate to buy during the dip. They won't sit down and read AR or QR lol.
*
Obviously many don't bother. Yeah, it's normal.

For example, the bribery case.

LOL. Is the case under the carpet already....?

This post has been edited by Boon3: Apr 18 2020, 11:32 AM
Boon3
post Apr 18 2020, 12:49 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
15,942 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(VincentCS @ Apr 18 2020, 12:30 PM)
Look on the brighter-ish side. Msia is not major financial hub, majority of Economic activities are fueled by SMEs instead of highly leveraged one like EU or US. Once this pandemic is relatively contained (which won't be for a while) , economy will start back up.

The verdict is out isn't it? Not guilty right
*
Oh yes. One day the pandemic will be contained but it is way too soon and way to reckless for AirAsia to announce they will start flying.

Think about it. They are announcing that they are open for business when they have yet to get approval from authorities. What does this say? Are they bigger than the govt? What if the MCO is extended and what if some folks bought tickets only to find out they cannot fly? Will AA then ular here and there and then ask customers to accept credit refund?? Isn't this an unscrupulous marketing? No give govt face ah? Just like last time govt say cannot charge users for using credit cards but yet, AA blatantly continued with their charges....

The verdict was given by bdo governance advisory sdn Bhd. This company was hired by AA itself. So what kind of verdict, is that?
If AA not guilty then why Airbus so stupid and paid the fines?

All said, it is most important we kill the virus 110%. There can be no relapse. A relapse will wipe us out surely!!!!!

Can you imagine another MCO? Just because AA decided it wants to save itself by flying again.......
Boon3
post Apr 18 2020, 06:38 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
15,942 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(VincentCS @ Apr 18 2020, 01:31 PM)
Nah, even if they can technically "fly" it will mostly be domestic. Like which country border would be open right now? Even if people do fly out, they will be forced quarantined during return. That's actually better at controlling the spread when MCO lifted.

As for the Airbus pay off stuffs, there are many unknown insider info involves here. I don't think average investor knows what really going on inside, at least I have no effing idea lol!
All I can say is I wouldn't touch AA with a ten foot pole, not because I know what's going on, but precisely because I don't know, and there are like hundreds of better stock to get in.

But I've seen my colleagues earn some 3 figures daily by day trading AA tho. Stocks market is as irrational as it can be right now lmao
*
Nah, even if they can technically "fly" it will mostly be domestic. Like which country border would be open right now? Even if people do fly out, they will be forced quarantined during return. That's actually better at controlling the spread when MCO lifted.

==>> Yes!!! So the issue is why are they broadcasting so loud that they are flying again? In which, as I had questioned earlier, why are they selling tickets, knowing very well that there is a possibility that they cannot fly? Are we going to see another 499 like fiasco where Tony comes out begging the ticket buyers to accept credits instead of refunds. Unethical? Unscrupulous?

And then on MM..

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...-ismail/1857957

"For anyone who wants to travel by air, the SOP (Standard Operating Procedure) is the same as for land and sea, that is only for emergency and health reasons. As the SOP says, they must get police approval before they can travel.

“So, get police approval first before you purchase your flight tickets,” he advised during a press conference in Putrajaya today.

Ahem!!

Approval b4 you can fly.

So was the announcement made to seduce stock punters?

More on the Airbus scandal which I had posted b4. The year b4 Airbus made that sponsorship to Tony's personal sports team, AirAsia had already many planes yet to be delivered. Out of the blue, just when AirAsia was struggling to take delivery of airplanes ordered with Airbus, and a period where AirAsia was grossly indebted, Tony blew everyone out of the water by placing an astonishing order of 200 new planes. It was a historical order for Airbus. The biggest order. Here's a search of that news on Google.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-13884433

Financially so week but yet AA made that usd17 billion order. And when you look at AA profits track record then, the order is simply reckless.

And what do we know today? The following year, after that historical order of new planes from AirAsia, Airbus made a grossly generous offer to sponsor Tony's sports team a sum of usd 50million.

Airbus was charged with bribery. It paid billions in fine.

Airasia all OK meh? Lol.



Yeah but then the stock market is the stock market. Punters will punt. They don't need no reason. Yeah, on occasions they do win.

This post has been edited by Boon3: Apr 18 2020, 06:41 PM
Boon3
post Apr 21 2020, 10:43 AM

10k Club
********
All Stars
15,942 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(nexona88 @ Apr 21 2020, 10:28 AM)
Saw the news..

AirBus is selling off 6 A320neo & A321neo plane ordered by AA to others...

Seems like AA didn't want take delivery or keep giving excuses of not taking it.. until AirBus says it's enough.. me cannot wait & sell it off to whoever want it badly...

😂🤣😅

Source:  if anyone says I spread fake news 🤬
https://www.malaymail.com/news/money/2020/0...deepens/1858723
*
rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif this is part of the highlighted 99 Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions issue. Is all there in the financial reports................




QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 9 2020, 10:24 AM)
One more thought....

That capital commitment of new fei kei...ie... the reckless buying of airplanes by Tony... which caused its supplier, Airbus to be charged with bribery corruption.....
in 2016, as noted in the posting, the capital commitment to buy new fei kei was 86 Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions.

end 2019... as reported by AA itself .... that figure is now 99 Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions.

Can you say 99 Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions???

Now here's another kicker...... since then the ringgit has now plunged to 4.3++ ....

which means the reckless boss has now committed AirAsia to buy 100 Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions of airplanes.....
You wanna the govt to bailout such a reckless company?  ohmy.gif

So with Khazanah (or the govt itself) in deep trouble with MAS, who probably needs a massive injection of cash.... why would the govt involve itself with AA?
Govt so rich ka? Can baioult 2 airplanes company? Oh, then Malindo how? Can it qualify too ah?

With all airplanes not flying, MAHB should also be hurting big time? Does it need a bailout too ah?

Bursa also plenty of company needing bailout help.... bailout them too?

rolleyes.gif
*
The 99 Beeeeeeeeeeeeloiiiiiins screenshot.

[url=https://pictr.com/image/5qDfLY]

user posted image[/url]

This should be over 100 Beeeeeeeee come the next qr in May.

Next qr May, shouldn't matter cos the qr is for the period Dec-Feb.
The worrying rpt should be the one in Aug.
Boon3
post Apr 23 2020, 09:50 AM

10k Club
********
All Stars
15,942 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 18 2020, 06:38 PM)
Nah, even if they can technically "fly" it will mostly be domestic. Like which country border would be open right now? Even if people do fly out, they will be forced quarantined during return. That's actually better at controlling the spread when MCO lifted.

==>> Yes!!!  So the issue is why are they broadcasting so loud that they are flying again? In which, as I had questioned earlier, why are they selling tickets, knowing very well that there is a possibility that they cannot fly? Are we going to see another 499 like fiasco where Tony comes out begging the ticket buyers to accept credits instead of refunds. Unethical? Unscrupulous?

And then on MM..

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...-ismail/1857957

"For anyone who wants to travel by air, the SOP (Standard Operating Procedure) is the same as for land and sea, that is only for emergency and health reasons. As the SOP says, they must get police approval before they can travel.

“So, get police approval first before you purchase your flight tickets,” he advised during a press conference in Putrajaya today.

Ahem!!

Approval b4 you can fly.

So was the announcement made to seduce stock punters?

More on the Airbus scandal which I had posted b4. The year b4 Airbus made that sponsorship to Tony's personal sports team, AirAsia had already many planes yet to be delivered. Out of the blue, just when AirAsia was struggling to take delivery of airplanes ordered with Airbus, and a period where AirAsia was grossly indebted, Tony blew everyone out of the water by placing an astonishing order of 200 new planes. It was a historical order for Airbus. The biggest order. Here's a search of that news on Google.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-13884433

Financially so week but yet AA made that usd17 billion order. And when you look at AA profits track record then, the order is simply reckless.

And what do we know today? The following year, after that historical order of new planes from AirAsia, Airbus made a grossly generous offer to sponsor Tony's sports team a sum of usd 50million.

Airbus was charged with bribery. It paid billions in fine.

Airasia all OK meh? Lol.
Yeah but then the stock market is the stock market. Punters will punt. They don't need no reason. Yeah, on occasions they do win.
*
AA facebook page .... https://www.facebook.com/AirAsia/

Look at any comment on any of their posting. It's all related to the word REFUND.

And there was on user who had even trouble getting AA to postpone the flight to Sep 2020.

ohmy.gif

And even the comments on twitter .......

https://twitter.com/AirAsia/status/1251068902420996096

ohmy.gif

Boon3
post Apr 28 2020, 09:47 AM

10k Club
********
All Stars
15,942 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(Raymond_ACCA @ Apr 27 2020, 03:16 PM)
If anyone is still interested to invest in Airline Industry, you need to have the comfort that this Airline company will not go BK.

Just compare our local Airlines to US airlines - what's the difference?

Big US airlines are getting bailouts, small airlines have a much better balance sheet and cost structure as compared to AA.

Just take a look at the maintenance cost/revenue ratio between AA and say, Spirit airlines, fees per revenue/passenger, current ratio, debt/equity ratio, margins etc. AA falls short in everything - and throw in the mix that they are lease likely to get bailouts, with an extremely bad reputation during this period.

Then there's a need to reevaluate the consumer's spending power. US citizens are getting stimulus checks every other month, what did Malaysians get?

Now once you compare all these.. what if I tell you the price to value that you need to pay to acquire shares of AA vs US airlines is around the same? Would you rather put your money there or in AA ? (If investors insist on buying into travel industry to get the huge returns when things go back to normal). Not recommending anything, just a thought to ponder and make sure everyone does their own studies before investing just because the price is "cheap".
When investing, always look at the company's competitors, whether in Asia or Western countries. You might just find that your money could get you better value elsewhere. I just hope all who are interested in investing in an airline company do exactly that.
*
If I am not wrong, I am guessing most are banking on the bailout.

I sceptical about it. It's my 3 sen opinion which is based on 2 things.

1. Shareholder structure..

user posted image

If one takes the time to load up...one can see 2 names and their shareholding percentage stands out.... Is it my narrow thinking but won't a govt bailout literally means bailing out those 2?

Why should they be bailed out?

2. Govt has MAS. Can govt bailout both airlines?
Boon3
post Apr 28 2020, 12:25 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
15,942 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(Raymond_ACCA @ Apr 27 2020, 03:16 PM)
If anyone is still interested to invest in Airline Industry, you need to have the comfort that this Airline company will not go BK.

Just compare our local Airlines to US airlines - what's the difference?

Big US airlines are getting bailouts, small airlines have a much better balance sheet and cost structure as compared to AA.

Just take a look at the maintenance cost/revenue ratio between AA and say, Spirit airlines, fees per revenue/passenger, current ratio, debt/equity ratio, margins etc. AA falls short in everything - and throw in the mix that they are lease likely to get bailouts, with an extremely bad reputation during this period.

Then there's a need to reevaluate the consumer's spending power. US citizens are getting stimulus checks every other month, what did Malaysians get?

Now once you compare all these.. what if I tell you the price to value that you need to pay to acquire shares of AA vs US airlines is around the same? Would you rather put your money there or in AA ? (If investors insist on buying into travel industry to get the huge returns when things go back to normal). Not recommending anything, just a thought to ponder and make sure everyone does their own studies before investing just because the price is "cheap".
When investing, always look at the company's competitors, whether in Asia or Western countries. You might just find that your money could get you better value elsewhere. I just hope all who are interested in investing in an airline company do exactly that.
*
Anyway, since you were talking about value, this interesting article was re-posted on theedge.

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/firs...vestors-journey

This one section is a pretty good read ....

QUOTE
Ho avoids industries that are subject to a lot of uncertainties and require heavy capital expenditure as well as conglomerates that own many businesses. For instance, he does not like airline stocks.

“My reasons are simple. If you look at the cost of a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Bangkok, for instance, a one-way trip cost about RM750 about 20 years ago. Today, you can get a round trip for the same price,” says Ho.

“As a shareholder of the company, I would expect the business to increase its prices when the cost of doing business goes up each year. If you lower prices, it means that you are providing consumers a commodity rather than a unique product or service [that can command a higher profit margin]. This hurts the company’s earnings.” 

Also, airlines can be affected by crude oil prices, wars, natural disasters and diseases that are beyond the control of the company’s management. The MH370 incident and ongoing Covid-19 pandemic have been bad news for airlines, he points out. “A management team, no matter how good, can only do so much when these events happen.”


That bolded part sums it up very nicely, doesn't it? Prices in the long run has gone cheaper!!!

9 Pages « < 4 5 6 7 8 > » Top
 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0525sec    0.49    7 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 7th December 2025 - 12:23 AM