Can someone please read this and tell us what to do...this is serious....and i am panicking....


http://www.gamespot.com/news/show_blog_ent...estnews;title;3

errr...so if this is true....basically every1 here in Malaysia is gonna get screwed over?dang!

This is quite worrying but I'll wait for Microsoft to make the announcements.

It is bound to happen with the Xbox Live Video Marketplace because of copyright issues. But wonder how does it affect Malaysian accounts because well, we dont have such a thing as a Malaysian account.

they are shutting down multiple account for a same person all everyone here from malaysia will kena?

Will someone tell me what the heck is going on here?

So our accounts even the ones who dont have more than one are going to get shafted?
That sucks, cmon Microsoft I would rather have Live than video downloads. the least that they could do is have a small launch here in Malaysia,like what Ninty did, they set up a couple of servers just two would do just fine, we in Malaysia are getting shafted just because Microsoft wants to sell Batman Forever? ha!



What really pisses me off when they delete the accounts it means we cannot play on Live no more!!!

NO GOW, NO Call of Duty 2 or 3, no more Arcade downloads, no more chats. God almighty having a 360 is no fun without Live.
Besides Microsoft claims They wont launch here because of piracy?With no Live piracy will boom because there is no point anymore in buying original is there???

Lets all hope Microsoft does not delete our accounts, but if they do....it was nice knowing you guys on Live.

I think so..cause malaysia is not even a recognised region for microsoft and putting singapore aint gonna work cause our ip's are not going to be identified with singapore.

I suppose it just means that your US, UK, or whatever account that is not under the "Asia" region will likely be deleted in the near future. I think, if you're using a Singaporean account, that's fine since it's within Asia.

well...so far its only a rumour...but assuming they are doing that...if i read correctly in the link, they'll shut down accounts that have non matching IP....so im guessing thats every single one of us here....correct me if im wrong tho...coz i really want to be wrong on some thing like this

They're shutting down "fake" accounts, so it depends on what they mean by "fake" here.

I think our accounts, in all fairness shouldn't be affected. The report says they're going for dummy accounts, which I guess means accounts created solely for the purpose of downloading stuff from other regions. So accounts with 0 gamerscores will probably be deleted, as it's obvious that they're created just to download stuff.

It'd suck if our accounts get deleted.....we don't have an official Malaysian account, so we have to tumpang on either SG or US accounts. And we are still legitimate....we play original games right...why punish us for something we cannot avoid?

If they are going by IP, then everyone will be get hit.

Although I believe, they will only delete the US accounts because of the copyright issues. Singapore and Jap accounts might not be affected based on what I am reading.

I'm guessing for those who have double accounts sure delete~. but what happen if those people who already paid for it ? (meaning already paid 1 year subscription, ms points also got)

are they going to delete them as well? (nobody knows) but if is~. not fair~. waste money..

Everyone!!! VOice your opinion at Major Nelson Blog now!!! Show them da prooweerr of Malaysia Xbotz!



This post has been edited by PrivateJohn: Nov 28 2006, 11:37 AM

NOOOOOO!!!
Thats not right man. Why should we get punished we bought ori games, we supported Live by paying for it. Hell we contribute to Microsoft's earnings. Give us mercy Microsoft please?

going out shopping now with wife, sis inlaws and parent inlaws... wait till i arrive home later sure shoot major nelson kaw2... after that chainsaw him in the end... then stomp on his parts!

u can put away ur chainsaw...no Live = now chainsaw....lol

i knew batman forever was an evil show that was gonna affect my life...just when u least expect it..WHAM!...kekekekek

Yeah, its kinda unfair but it was bound to happen. Previously, you don't really care because it was just games. But with videos and movies, copyright issues has to be taken more seriously.

Why I think ppl with Singapore accounts wont be affected? We cant download things from Video Live Marketplace anyway...

if account deletions happens, may have to migrate to pc gaming online. at least not at the mercy of microsoft

like you said zio currently it only affects on US Accounts or other country which is not Asia.

but after a time~ I'm very sure Asia Version will have Video Live Marketplace right ? then what ? (delete us as well ? Noo~~~~ )

Darn my main acount since Xbox 1 is an Oz account

Why? We still got SG account and such.


From what i read, they are not gona delete subscribed account right? Just gona change their region so they can't download region restrictive copyrighted content? Not deleting them...

Update: Chris Paladino from Microsoft Community Team confirmed that downloads are being blocked from wrong regions but states they're not actually banning the illegal accounts. Like him, we are now "still waiting to hear back the official word."

http://www.xboxic.com/news/2054

they shud not delete, in fact they should embed in the xbox software to not download the content if the IP address doesn't match the region. (for region controlled downloads lar)

It will make life so much easier..

I ended up participating for the Shadowrun Beta

Ya...i mean, deleting account gona trigger something that's even greater than Locust attackduring emergence day. Fanboys all over the world will pop out from the ground beneath Microsoft office!!!!

Haih...this kinda soldier. Betrayed Malaysia X-Army in a blink of an eye.

This post has been edited by PrivateJohn: Nov 28 2006, 12:01 PM

Hey why dont we act like the Locust?

We dig a tunnel to Singapore and steal all their servers. We then stash them at Djinn's.

I like that plan

all a sudden I felt that I turn to "RAMM" all a sudden~.

last phrase ~ Serve The Queen~

Im at your service General

Can we jst use the water pipes? Ermm its kinda tedious digging new tunnels

This post has been edited by zio: Nov 28 2006, 12:26 PM

Servers are too big to use in the water pipes. Besides wouldnt want them to get wet.

I managed to change my locale to singapore but I cant change my contact info..its a fake US one...so does anyone know how to change my contact info?.......someone please help!

This post has been edited by edoras81: Nov 28 2006, 01:15 PM

Its quite easy to change locale. But you cant change where you initially registered your account. So if u registered a US account, ur kinda stuck with it.

dammit so i would definitely be hit then....this is so frustrating and stressful

Another question....hypothetical of course...but how would microsoft know it was a fake account? What if I used a legitimate address like my sisters in the states....i mean theoretically it would just mean that i registered my xbox in the states but moved to malaysia? Note: this applies to only a legitimate address.

A question that is on everybody's mind. But so far its just rumours that there will be account deletion. it might not happen. They might jst regionlock the content based on IP.

As for your hypothetical question, there is no way they will know. If they are going for IP, they will just delete it regardless of the legitimate address I guess.

hehe, go on and register with an ang-moh name with ur sister's valid US postal address. just call MS, tell them ur an expat living in M'sia and want to watch CSI & Lost

hm~ if is a region lock with IP then ok la~. but as you know~ IP can be filter or "exchange" right ?

I am sure MS knows as well. But they can just tell the studios they already implemented safety measures. Then the studios cant complain..which is the whole point anyway...to keep the movie studios happy..

if MS really deletes our accounts here since the 360 is not officially launched, then there will be a lot of other accounts from other countries having the same fate as us. so if they do that there will be millions of people complaining to MS

Delete my account and i'll support the pirates muahahaha *evil laugh*

Ya...next time they go E3, TGS or whatever. Doing their infamous slideshow presentation...
This is year 2007 and we already have.....we have....er...100 Xblive Gold Subscriber!!! Worldwide!!!
They can't brag about it no more...

142 accounted Live subscribers (based on PJ's sig), that's not counting those who don't report in here.

Those of you who plan to write to the Major, please do so in calm, adult manner.

Anyway still early days. The original report is in German. The only sort of confirmation we have is they're blocking downloads from IPs not originating from the region the marketplace content is meant for.

Cool down and wait for any sort of official news first.

The report was in another language and we all know how the translator bots are.

The update already mentioned that people from MS say there's something about content showing up in the wrong regions and thus users are not able to download so let's just wait and see first.

When u logged on to the internet you're assigned a specific ip address kinda like a "postcode" and base on this "postcode' they'll know the country of origin. Try this! This are the reason u cant saw free TV shows broadcast online like from CBS, NBC a day after their showing on local US tv.


I dont think so. We get out IP address from ISP.

It looks as if theyre deleting secondary or thirdary accounts that are used 2 break copyrirght laws soo that means mostly silver ppl shall die =]... andddd if they do cut us i shall become a 360 pirate and the PS3 shall rule de world if live were 2 get cut! muahahahaaaaaa

Reading the article even further if you follow the link to xboxic....it seems that only if you want to download additional content (demos, videos, and so on) then your account might be deleted...but it doesnt affect regular updates, co-op or multiplayer.

Thirdary = Wrong
Tertiary = Right

Why the PS3?

We can be wiily good pirates.

I haven't tried LIVE yet!!

This post has been edited by tunertoobe: Nov 28 2006, 07:29 PM

Chill ppl. Even Microsoft's XBOX Live crew is can't confirm the full extent of the news.

Wait for the news.

Improper english rox! i knew it was wrong butt i didnt care nor did i know wat de real word was so thanks and Wii has no gewd internet service unlike Live but PS3's is decent sooo goooooo PS3 =] Never the less PS3 still doesnt look that good Screw MS and theyre cutting live if that ever happens if it never happens Viva La Revolution LIVE styleee

Wat the fcuk !!! why my post was deleted again

hmm from what i understand..the main issue here is just the regional downloads thingy. as usual, the very selfish americans started up the video marketplace and we all know what happens when we deal with the showbusiness industry. we have all that regional agreements thingy and bla bla bla.

so now, i truly believe that our multiple accounts won't be 'banned' or 'deleted' per se. we'll just have problems downloading stuff from other regions. specifically (and this is where i pray continuously; praying that it's ONLY) movies and videos which were newly introduced. so for accounts with SG addresses, we'll probably be safe since a) asian regions have no video on demand yet and b) if MS has a heart, our IP is categorized under Asian/SG. Dunno bout that last one though.

All i'm hoping and praying now is that this only affects regional copyrighted stuff, mainly the videos/movies (which are the main thing thats causing the fuss right now), but doesn't affect other downloads such as XBLA, demos, or anything other than videos/movies.

if above is true, then i'm cool with not getting to download movies on american MP. their loss anyway. it's not like we're not paying it if we download it. they do this to us, we still have a free alternative anyway to get those movies and watch it via MCE. right guys?

so there; just don't BAN or DELETE the accounts, ONLY block videos/movie downloads and i think we should be doing just fine.

even if MS wants to say m'sia has a high rate of piracy, so no LIVE for us - it's just not fair. After the Fall update we should all know it's risky to have a modded console entering LIVE anyway. So, pirates = no LIVE = no downloads. Only the originals get the full LIVE features, just like it was meant to be. So, why the fuss? U were already on the right track MS so please stay that way.

They basically say we are too few to bother, i mean very few of us have all original games. i personally for one switched 100% from jacksparrow to original games once i got my 360 and it was primarily for Xbox Live feature. I have a few things I can say:

If they are going to shut down "false" accounts for downloading content, thats fine. I mean they should do this after a grace period of not logging in through Xbox.com AND the Xbox 360 console for a period of 21-30 days. And if you are away for longer periods than that you can set the console on holiday mode so that MS know you are away and don't accidently shutdown your account. I think that is a better solution than forcing people through IP addresses and forcibly shutting their accounts down. In real terms, that could be considered stealing i.e. getting paid for goods but refusing to deliver them.

Them shutting down the fake accounts is due to the deals that they made with the production studios and stuff over the rights of the digital content. Otherwise I think that these firms would not sign contracts with them because they feel that their content would be taken maliciously without the intent of paying for it. aka piracy.

As a Malaysian Xbox Live gamer, I strongly feel that even if we don't get benefits of content, such as movies, trailers, TV shows etc, that would be fine as long as we were allowed to use the Xbox Live gaming service, as in play games online and chat with friends, download game updates etc etc. I'm sure that not only myself wouldn't mind paying slightly more for xbox live so that we could have Malaysia as a locale and not have our accounts terminated. I am trying not to jump to conclusions that they are going to close accounts based on IP and mismatched addresses. This is because wouldn't that be an invasion of people's privacy by finding out IP addresses from internet ISPs?

As a solution, I think that MS should just make Malaysia a locale on Xbox Live, even if we don't have our own servers set up in the country and use those that are Singapore based, that would be fine. Even if the services such as downloading full movies and TV shows are removed, that's OK if they wish to maintain contracts overseas. However, need to attempt to make all game content available in all regions, unless for political reasons or law that this cannot be done so.

We just want our Xbox Live. We have grown accustomed to it being with us, we do not want to give it up!

Just my thoughts. and ramblings... No I do not have a blog. LOL

Well said Keantan ... we have to voice out our opinion to MS here in Malaysia that there is a Xbox Live Community here in Malaysia. I believe MS Malaysia does not even know whether we have a players playing on Xbox Live, most of them will be thinking that we are playing "jack sparrow's games". If we want official Xbox Live in Malaysia .. all of us have to voice out.

soo..where do we voice it out? any official channel? c'mon people! we pay what we want to play! we deserve and hae the rights to be heard!

Dunno wor ... anyone here got close relation with ppl in MS Malaysia. I know Merdeka has a fren in MS Singapore.

This kinda thread is certainly a good bump for the traffic in xbox section

Chill people, it's very unlikely microsoft gona delete account. They are more likely to change your region, then say...delete the whole account. It just doesn't make sense for their business portfolio.

No Live, No people buy games for Live = no revenue.

This just a rumour...a business decision will always take precedence ...

I dont care about those movies/tv shows. Bittorrent is way better

I just want to play games online

It doesn't really work if a small group of people (yes even 200 is just small) just decides to flood MS Malaysia with calls for the Xbox 360 to be launched here. A lot of planning and preparation is required before something like that can be done.

Just keep playing, the Live servers keep track of everyone that connects, they KNOW Malaysian IPs are connecting to the servers. Check out this article (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/personality/trixie/xboxundercover/xboxundercover-xoc.htm) Check out the entry for 10:30PM, so... Let's just act civil and not give them a reason to take away our fun.

Who knows... maybe some day new gamers will be able to select Malaysia as their region?

I agree, lets not say anything till anything happens, because what was said could just be rumours and MS aren't going to shut down accounts like ours (download accounts yes I can fully understand because it doesnt look good with copyright and rights protection). Hopefully MS will see that as Malaysians who are honourable and support original games as well as their developers through buying original games that they leave us alone, because let's face it. We are putting money in their pockets no matter whichever way. We still all pay for the Xbox Live Gold subscription and thats helping their cause too, whatever that may be (probably profit knowing MS). It's not like we are using Xbox live to sell pron or illegal software or anything nasty and forbidden. We are totally legit and hopefully they will recognise that and allow us to continue to benefit from the great service that they provide

i just logged on to xbox.com with my secondary account (JP), seems like its turned into a US account now. will check the marketplace contents when i get back later to confirm this.

i got some contacts in microsoft malaysia.

I will make a few calls later today and will try to get contact of the person in charge if any, if not try to get a person who can help us to voice out our concerns.

Our concerns are very valid, in fact we are paying for the service (that includes the games and stuffs), we don't support jack sparrow games.

I'll keep u guys updated...

Another question...if you pay 800 ms points to edit your gamertag..could you cahnge your contact info there?

Anyway its wonderful that you guys are all working in such a fashion to get things done and voice our opinions....please if anyone needs any help in anything let me know....i want to do my part...hey i started the thread so I do care.....

I sent an email to Microsoft last night voicing our concerns, I dont know if I will get a reply or not or if the reply is automatically generated but it's worth a shot.

More on the news.

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/28/dummy-u-...ked-not-banned/
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=11868

maybe we can try out a petisyen... (even though normally i dont believe in petisyen) sure can get quite a number of signatures from everyone here.

Guys... it's not a banned, it's just a block on downloaded content. Chill, IF and WHEN there is a ban we'll all go storm MS office together , but right now just stay calm first.

The fact that we're using Live is in pretty much a grey area right now (Remember, the TOS states that when you sign up you confirm that your registration details are valid?). Yes we paid for the service but ask any lawyer and I do believe that he'll tell you just because you paid for something it doesn't make it right.

Listen look at this Microsoft is going to shut this down?:


150(rounded off)xbox 360 gamers in Malaysia makes for 150 original and unmodded playing experience consoles cost RM1600 or so which multiplied by 150 will equals to=

RM 24000 which will equal to $64000 US (not much I know)

Assuming all of us have one year live subsciption.

1 year= RM150
150 Users= 150 *150= RM22500=$6050

Assuming all of us have at least 8 xbox360games 40*8=320*150=rm48000=$13000

Total so far=$64000+$6050+$13000=$83000

Microsoft made $83000 big ones in Malaysia in less than a year without a launch but that number seems so small compared to what pirates are making(i only assume that they are maing money) sigh i did this round up cause i had nothing better to do and yeah it was a slight pain to do .

This post has been edited by Hitman190: Nov 29 2006, 10:59 AM

they also said they gonna ban any user using xbox live accounts with ip addresses that do not match...does this mean singapore account also gonna get axed

Microsoft has said contents are being blocked and no accounts are being banned.

As for market size, Malaysia is probably like a dot in their eyes. 150+ gamers does not justify a launch here especially with full scale support.

Yeah when i calculated everything i double checked and me understand that Mircosoft had no choice but to not to launch here.

US$83000 is not that big and remember Microsoft is making losses on each 360 they sell (razor and blades business theory)

No one's getting banned

http://www.majornelson.com/archive/2006/11...e-security.aspx

guys relax... they're just restricting the download content... they haven't gone all out to say they're banning yet... if they are really gonna ban us..would time be better spent gaming on your 360's until your eyes fell out than discussing the issue in the forum???

Hmm... innteresting....

Small number...hey that means us!

I wrote to Major Nelson and highlighted the issues we faced, namely no official launch and support here due to piracy rate and small user base, getting our stuff and accts from SG, etc.

This post has been edited by MK84: Nov 29 2006, 11:42 AM

spoke to my friend in microsoft..

they gonna block the video marketplace..

not the online gaming....

The most powerful force in the world... are Movie & TV companies along with the distribution rights lawyers!

lol yeh ardi its tertiary not thirdiry XD hmm this is gonna b difficult. we gotta wait fo official news b4 makin a move

i was told there are plans to bring xbox and live here... but let's wait for the official news.

I could have swore that Gameaxis said in 2008....cant wait that long

making a move for what? I doubt they will ban the Live gaming side of the accounts.

Looking at the various posts and comments, sounds like its just going to be a content block.

Do we have the rights to complain? Probably not. Its licensing rights by the studios and Microsoft cant do nuts about that.

well like i said before, if they don't block us from downloading stuff OTHER than videos/movies from other than Asian MP, i'm fine by that.

From what i read it seems that you'll posibbly get a warning saying that "you are not allowed to download this content" or something in the likes of it.

if they don't kacau game-related stuff, i don't mind then.

and well, it's not MS's fault fully..it's the strict copyright stuff from the video industry that forced MS to do this. if MS don't oblige to the copyright matters, MS lose out on deal, MS no richer. simple as that.

Not only that, some companies like to sue about these stuff, seeing the chance of Microsoft, being the very rich corporation it is, may be able to pay a hell lotta cash if they lost the sue.

A link article from Xbox-Scene which in turn link to Major Nelson's Blog who happen to be Microsoft's Xbox Live Director of Programming.

--> Major Nelson Confirms Xbox LIVE Country Check

I'll put some quote bellow for those who don't have time to read the link.



Last time I check, that is us, Malaysian folks ( Singaporean may not apply ).



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This post has been edited by hikaru_x: Nov 30 2006, 05:03 PM

OMG that was a huge relief.

What about game demo which was meant for US account only? Can we still able to download it off the marketplace?

I doubt it. From what I gather it covers all marketplace contents.

Downloaded Burger King Games Picture Pack and downloading 2K SPORTS COLLEGE HOOPS 2K7 Feature Overview Trailer, both are only available in US and Canada according to Here and Here
At least it still working.

well from what i read, it just covers the tv/movie downloads..cos these are the ones that have regional copyright protection issues, and not demos/game related stuff.

and from what unusual just said, this seems to be true.