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 Fixed Deposit Rates In Malaysia V. No.10, Please Read Post #1 & #2

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Ramjade
post Oct 14 2015, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Oct 14 2015, 08:54 PM)
My calculation shows 5.23% Vs 5.10 in favour of MBSB.
I think it's worth to "pay" 0.13% to AMbank as a premium for PIDM protection unless the deposit amount is very large. 
But for such long term deposit, I would suggest 4.5% BSN with gomen guaranty for the entire deposit amount.
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Wow. 4.7% and 4.55% balloon up to 5.23% and 5.10% just because of a 2.8% SA!!! shocking.gif

4.5% compare to 5.10% and 5.23% is a very big difference! shakehead.gif

Well one could always split 2xRM250k between wifey and oneself rather than going for 4.5%

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Oct 14 2015, 09:15 PM)
For apple to apple effective interest rate comparison, the compound interest calculation is assumed at 4.7 and 4.55 respectively.

BSN 4.5% is p.a. rate, yet to be compounded. You need to find out BSN interest payment policy for 5 year FD before you can calculate the compounded interest rate.
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They said that bsn only pay upon maturity. If that's the case, we tend to lose here.

Have the 5.10% and 5.23% calculations taken into consideration of monthly interest compounding into 2.8% of Truesavers sa (ambank fd) and half yearly interest for compounding into 2.8% of Truesavers sa (mbsb fd)?
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Oct 14 2015, 10:36 PM)
For BSN 5 Years FD, if I'm not mistaken is half yearly.

The 5.10% and 5.23% already a compounded interest calculated based on the assumption that "interest added to principle" for Apple to Apple comparison.

If you bring in Thruesaver 2.8% into the equation, then the argument can be never ending, coz one can argue that half yearly interest earned from MBSB FD and place it in ASX for 6.4% compounding interest.
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Let's not bring ASX into the equation. The question here is maximising returns from this 2 FD if you are above 50. One can use Truesavers to maximise the interest earns. So if mbsb with 4.7% interest given half yearly and added into Truesavers compare with ambank with 4.55% interest given monthly (above 50 years old) and added into Truesavers, which one is able to give a higher returns after 5 years?


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post Oct 15 2015, 07:53 AM

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QUOTE(cklimm @ Oct 15 2015, 07:23 AM)
well, i hate to haggling, just deal or no deal
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Like it.thumbup.gif I have big cash here. You want it, you give me extra rates. Or else I bring my money elsewhere. No bargaining!

All banks entertain your threats?

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QUOTE(yygo @ Oct 15 2015, 08:58 AM)
what if we put in ambank 6 figure fd and monthly interest put into affin getting 3.7% 12 month interest? even higher return from 2.85% sa.
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For what? Ambank 4.55 and mbsb 4.7 is way higher than affin 3.7%. Why would one want to do that? Are you nuts to give the bank free money? shocking.gif
The thing here is
Mbsb 4.7% 6 monthly interest is deposited into a 2.8% SA
Ambank 4.55% monthly interest is deposited into a 2.8% SA.

We would like to see whether the monthly compounding interest by ambank 4.55% can beat the 6 monthly interest of MBSB or not at the end of 5 years. Assuming that interest credited into Truesavers will not be removed for 5 years. Who will win? laugh.gif

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QUOTE(yygo @ Oct 15 2015, 09:10 AM)
tun calling names? brows.gif you are the nuts by not reading carefully! brows.gif

i am saying put the monthly interest from ambank into affin 12 month fd for 3.7%, more than ambank 2.85%.for 100k money.

tun nuts, please see see again. tongue.gif
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Sorry bro. But we are talking about small amount here say rm10k. With that kind of amount, one cannot put FD. Can only put sa. Me poor fag. Can only give example of rm10k only. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(cybpsych @ Oct 15 2015, 09:51 AM)
that's the reason why aeiou228 didnt bother to calculate the interest re-investment.

One could either use it, deposit to CASA or reinvest back to FD.

if you put fd for 5 years, and expect to get interest in monthly/half-yearly, why would he/she want to put the interest into TrueSavers and lock it down for 5 years?

If this happens, he/she would just take the interest out and put FD/eFD instead ... or just is it for normal day-2-day use.
different ppl, different requirements.
since aeiou228 already started the ball rolling, and you're interested on your calculation, why dont you start calculating for us to refer?
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cause if say the amount is small (min rm10k), no way one can put the interest into efd. Efd requires min rm1k.

I am not sure how to calculate. rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Oct 15 2015, 10:18 AM)
bro, u r becoming like unker dreamer d. repeating the same thing a bit to often. I suggest to put in your signature 'don't give back free money'. lol
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Must drill into people’s mind not to give free lunch to bank ma. If lesser people give free lunch to bank, those banks who get free lunch all this while have to work harder for our money. thumbup.gif

Need to continue writing. If put signature, no one will read. sad.gif Then banks will continue to have free lunch and we get not so good rates. mad.gif

All banks have target. Target not good, need to find more customers.

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QUOTE(kinabalu @ Oct 15 2015, 02:10 PM)
Like unker Gen-X keep repeating Maybank 2 premier is the best credit card.
Like unker dreamer keep repeating must move fund overseas, msia is doom.
Like tun ramjade keep repeating must open Ambank 2.8% CASA.
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Nope. If suddenly cimb come out with 3% sa with uncomplicated t&c, I will tell you guys to open it instead. tongue.gif

Correct your sentence to
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Like tun ramjade keep repeating must not give banks free lunch.
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Oct 15 2015, 02:23 PM)
i believe the logic should be, we need ppl to give free lunch to bank... else there will be less banks to offer me 4%+ FD rate p.a.

bank earn money from them... at the same time come up with PROMO fd which lowers their margin, to earn money from ppl who seeks for the promo...
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Not really. If more people give free lunch, for what the bank want to give you? Better the bank keep for themselves. They will give you just enough.

Now if no one's giving the bank free lunch, banks become hungry. So they give us better rates so we place with them. Remember, no money how to operate? So no money no talk.

Say a bank's target is rm100k. If they already achieved rm100k, for what they want to be generous and give you better rates? Better the bank keep the excess and give to its shareholders.

Now, if bank haven't reach rm100k yet cause no one want to give them money, by giving better rates, more people will give them money.

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Ah SiAnG never in my mind to spam. Just telling people how to maximise returns given from monthly interest. People ask, I answered. By the way, can you add an additional information on front page?

If other people got info, please share. I know there are others but I can't remember which bank and their rates. Don't have account with them.
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Banks which allow you to open real (can uplift online)1 month efd with min RM1K
Ambank Islamic efd - 3.15%


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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Oct 15 2015, 07:38 PM)
let me answer further on a few others.

No need to inform bank in advance, just bring your IC and go. Just bring the statement along if you want.
Once mature, can uplift on the same day or later.
UOB charges RM2.80 for banker's cheque (usual case for my branch)
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Even for normal customer or for vip customer?
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post Oct 16 2015, 01:23 AM

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Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls

MBSB 4.7% + TS 2.8% vs AMB 4.55% +TS 2.8% rclxms.gif laugh.gif
Minimum amount here = RM10k

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AMB = AMbank
TS 2.8 = Truesavers
EIR = Effective Interest rates

From here we can see that even with monthly interest, Ambank 4.55% still lose out to MBSB 4.7%. MBSB is still the champ here. flex.gif However notice that the EIR of MBSB only increase 0.30943% while AMB increases by 0.32766% which shows that you could get more money if there is say a FD able to give you 4.7% monthly interest. smile.gif.

yygo is right. If we put 1 year FD with the interest, the EIR can go up further. rclxms.gif But that can only be done from 2nd year onwards (Starting amount of RM10k). Unless one starts off with RM100,000. laugh.gif icon_idea.gif

I didn't include in the last month interest of TS of the 5th year as I assume the FD will pay the interest at the end of the month. So if we would like to see the last month interest, we need to go another year. I used 2016 as it is easier to count.

By the way, aeiou228 how come your EIR is 5.23% Vs 5.10 while mine is only 5.00943% vs 4.87766%? hmm.gif Your method is add to principal to get the EIR of 5.23% Vs 5.10%?

This is the first time I am calculating this kind of things. Any mistakes please correct me. notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(cklimm @ Oct 16 2015, 07:24 AM)
impressive

So thats the best way to squeeze out the bank eh?
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Actually one can squeeze some more. As yygo said, instead of putting in TS, one can put affin bank 3.7% FD once one have rm1000. thumbup.gif again we are talking about principal of rm10000. If one starts off with rm100k, different story. brows.gif
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QUOTE(yygo @ Oct 16 2015, 08:46 AM)
notworthy.gif  contribution from hnws! notworthy.gif

can use that for phd like clemen chiang of singapore (dr in options)  brows.gif

dr ram now. brows.gif
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It's not my money la. Me poor fag. I just used example of rm10k cause that's the minimum one can put to enjoy the fun. tongue.gif drool.gif
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QUOTE(yygo @ Oct 16 2015, 09:22 AM)
provided instruction to bank is into sa after maturity, fund <10k. most bank ibg/ibft <10k/day.

if >10k susah lah. laugh.gif
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I think vip customer no problem. Non vip customer might not be able to enjoy that privilege (into another bank's account) but if put into same bank account, no problem. Just tell the bank worker credit principal + interest into sa upon maturity when placing of FD
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QUOTE(yygo @ Oct 16 2015, 09:57 AM)
dr ram, you mixed up this with vip customer. laugh.gif nothing to do with vip customer.

even vip customer also cannot ask bank to bank fd+interst into another bank acct. so far only mbsb can bank interest into another bank acct (no need to be vip customer of mbsb laugh.gif )

the point is >10k like 50k, then have to do ibg 5 times per day from home laugh.gif
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You can actually do it manually. Go to bank and uplift and then transfer over the counter
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QUOTE(BoomChaCha @ Oct 16 2015, 11:09 AM)
Wah.. Super job..  thumbup.gif
But I cannot enlarge the picture.... sad.gif
Can you upload one more time by adding attachment file (Add This Attachment) which is already provided in this forum?  Thanks  notworthy.gif
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Just right click on the picture and click open image in new tab. smile.gif I am outside right now.
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Oct 16 2015, 01:45 PM)
So finally u realised MBSB 4.7% is better?
0.2% extra no joke u know....especially over long term

For short term eg 1 month FD, a one time 5% rate also not
much to me.
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You are forgetting large amount too. tongue.gif
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http://www.solidfiles.com/d/d0e750317c/.

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